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dongonzalos · May 17, 2012

dongonzalos said:
If that is correct then if SISU threatened to liquidate us last season. ACL and the council could have said jog on. Liquidate us. We would have gone to league 2. SISU and their debts would be gone. We would still have a CCFC (no players) and a stadium.

Someone could have bought the club (the tooth fairy) for nothing and paid the charity 6.5 million for 50% half the stadium. Which is actually worth 18.5 million.

Resigned some of the players on free trnasfers and rebought the training ground

They invest a couple of million on the playing side of things for league 2 standards should lead to Promotion = crowds, 50% of staduim revenue from matches and gigs.

If you have the right investor they build the hotel that the conference centre needs

More revenue for conferences and the hotel

However now the same concept would mean conference football?

so the choice really is SISU or conference football ?

If you think my ramblings in the past have been mental, you are going to love this one.

That was the response they were getting from the council last year jog on!!!

Did they look at it and think we need to get part of that stadium the council wont deal with us. If we threaten liquidation they may just well be happy with that and a new start in league 2 with out us.

We are stuck just bobbing along in the championship losing money not getting our hands on part of the stadium unable to sell the club, not prepared or unable to invest what it takes to take the club to the premiership.

We get part of the stadium we will possibly be able to sell the club.

If the club are relegated then the threat of liquidation means conference football it is a proper hammer to hit the council with.

This is the only logic I can see for selling your top scorer at xmas when you have a chance stay up. Instead of holding onto him for 4 months then selling him.

SISU probably got 750k for the sale but gambled on the 5 million loses of relegation.

Also the costs to them of League one football are a lot less than championship football.

So here is my mental rant Relegation was the preferred option for SISU.

It cost them less month by month it has taken them a step closer to getting part of the stadium and a rent reduction.

dongonzalos · May 18, 2012

‏@DonGonzalos @DropCCFCRentNOW is there something about the author of this petition I do not know, the petition seems quite reasonably worded.
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@DonGonzalos no I believe we have no real choice and this fool has normal alternative it's too late for petitions

I replied asking if he thought it was too late for petitions why is he taking the time to try and encourage people not to sign it suggesting the creator of it is a thug. Surely if it was too late it would not worry him

Grendel · May 18, 2012

dongonzalos said:
If you think my ramblings in the past have been mental, you are going to love this one.

So here is my mental rant Relegation was the preferred option for SISU.

Yes of course. That's why they signed 3 players in January which helped with a significant increase in points.

Only argument in your favour here was the continued employment of the Clueless One.

dongonzalos · May 18, 2012

kduffy said:
Yes of course. That's why they signed 3 players in January which helped with a significant increase in points.

Only argument in your favour here was the continued employment of the Clueless One.

You always bring it down to that don't you.

Those players plus Juke may have done it

who signed those players, anyway the clueless one

Otis · May 18, 2012

We as Coventry City Fans and also Coventry City Tax Payers, oppose any attempt to sell any share in the Ricoh Arena to our current owners Sisu Capitol/Sconset LLP/ Arvo Mastertrust, Over the 4 years of SISU ownership, SISU have shown themseleves to be economical with the truth, and show a complete disregard to CCFC, its fans and the people of Coventry and Warwickshire, We urge all involved not to sell any part of The Ricoh Arena to these people!

Any chance we could change the wording here? SISU have shown themseleves to be economical with the truth, and show a complete disregard to CCFC, its fans and the people of Coventry and Warwickshire is just an opinion.

The petition just needs to state that fans do not wish shares or part ownership of the Ricoh Arena to go to the present owners of this football club. Don't see how you can says things like "being economical with the truth" and "showing complete disregard."

It's all rather subjective.

Can we change it? I don't feel comfortable signing that in it's present format. People can put their reasoning in the comments. The petition itself needs to be a lot more simple and just state the stance that fans do not wish to see Sisu get any ownership of the Ricoh.

Tank Top · May 18, 2012

"Count me in Lads" with this message to SISU

Grendel · May 18, 2012

The guy from the Higgs trust has admitted he hopes the sale of their share will go through. Said the current board are the best he has seen at the club for 20 years.

mark82 · May 18, 2012

kduffy said:
The guy from the Higgs trust has admitted he hopes the sale of their share will go through. Said the current board are the best he has seen at the club for 20 years.

Yes. SISU are wonderful. They got us relegated. They caused this mess.

mark82 · May 18, 2012

kduffy said:
It happened because penalties then were nil! Now its a 2 division drop.

I think it's more than 2 divisions now. Would have to check though.

italiahorse · May 18, 2012

mark82 said:
It's actually only a minority that support SISU. You are in a group of very few.

No. I am a minority on this board. Most Coventry fans cannot be bothered perhaps knowing they have no chance of influencing what is going on.
I understand everyones frustrations but it is in direct conflict with running any business.
Any business taking over from SISU will do exactly the same. These businesses are all waiting on the sidelines waiting for administration so they can pick up the club without debt.
The downside is that we have point deductions, even more drastic loss of players and yet again another business plan based on income recieved which will be even more reduced.
You are playing into there hands. Stick with SISU warts and all.
Current score 149 Sisu Out, 10,000 can't be bothered. Another 15,000 waiting in the wings for success who can't be bothered.

coundonskyblue · May 18, 2012

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mark82 said:
I think it's more than 2 divisions now. Would have to check though.

I thought the reformed club takes its new place at the highest position available, which if it happened quick would be our place in league 1.

italiahorse · May 18, 2012

kduffy said:
The guy from the Higgs trust has admitted he hopes the sale of their share will go through. Said the current board are the best he has seen at the club for 20 years.

Hoorah
Hoorah
Hoorah
"Mexican wave"
At last the voices of reason are arriving to support

mark82 · May 18, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
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I thought the reformed club takes its new place at the highest position available, which if it happened quick would be our place in league 1.

No, would be minimum 2 divisions. I think though there is now a set level for reformed clubs of step 5 of non-league (Midland Alliance).

However, I don't think we would go that far due to the size of our following. Grounds are not segregated at that level and most have maximum capacities of a few hundred. No clubs at that level I know of offer tickets in advance (season tickets aside) it is all pay on gate. Would cause massive health and safety issues.

Most likely would be Blue Square Premier. There are teams in that league who are not much smaller than us (eg Luton). Most grounds would be able to take a couple of hundred away fans. The majority have the ability to sell tickets in advance.

coundonskyblue · May 18, 2012

mark82 said:
No, would be minimum 2 divisions. I think though there is now a set level for reformed clubs of step 5 of non-league (Midland Alliance).

However, I don't think we would go that far due to the size of our following. Grounds are not segregated at that level and most have maximum capacities of a few hundred. No clubs at that level I know of offer tickets in advance (season tickets aside) it is all pay on gate. Would cause massive health and safety issues.

Most likely would be Blue Square Premier. There are teams in that league who are not much smaller than us (eg Luton). Most grounds would be able to take a couple of hundred away fans. The majority have the ability to sell tickets in advance.

Either the BSP or Midland Alliance, I would be a lot happier supporting them then than I am now.

mark82 · May 18, 2012

italiahorse said:
Hoorah
Hoorah
Hoorah
"Mexican wave"
At last the voices of reason are arriving to support

First time I've ever heard kduffy described as a voice of reason (just kidding).

If they do get a percentage of the stadium I would love to be proved wrong. However, what with the recent ARVO debenture, we can clearly see they have liquidation in their thoughts. I don't think people realise what a mistake that would be.

mark82 · May 18, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
Either the BSP or Midland Alliance, I would be a lot happier supporting them then than I am now.

It would have to be a reformed club with a different name.

mark82 · May 18, 2012

italiahorse said:
No. I am a minority on this board. Most Coventry fans cannot be bothered perhaps knowing they have no chance of influencing what is going on.
I understand everyones frustrations but it is in direct conflict with running any business.
Any business taking over from SISU will do exactly the same. These businesses are all waiting on the sidelines waiting for administration so they can pick up the club without debt.
The downside is that we have point deductions, even more drastic loss of players and yet again another business plan based on income recieved which will be even more reduced.
You are playing into there hands. Stick with SISU warts and all.
Current score 149 Sisu Out, 10,000 can't be bothered. Another 15,000 waiting in the wings for success who can't be bothered.

Why don't you set one up to support SISU and see how many you get. Do you genuinely think that over 25,000 people have seen this in under 24 hours?

italiahorse · May 18, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
Either the BSP or Midland Alliance, I would be a lot happier supporting them then than I am now.

You need help !!!!!!!!!!!

coundonskyblue · May 18, 2012

mark82 said:
It would have to be a reformed club with a different name.

AFC Coventry City.

It would always be referred to as Coventry City anyway, just as the AFC is hardly ever used in relation to Wimbledon.

mark82 · May 18, 2012

italiahorse said:
You need help !!!!!!!!!!!

You need help !!!!!!!!!!!!

coundonskyblue · May 18, 2012

italiahorse said:
You need help !!!!!!!!!!!

I would support my club no matter what division it was in so long as it showed ambition and offered hope.

You seem happy to have the club in a permanent malaise offering only misery and pain.

italiahorse · May 18, 2012

mark82 said:
Why don't you set one up to support SISU and see how many you get. Do you genuinely think that over 25,000 people have seen this in under 24 hours?

Because most people can't be bothered and cannot influence what is going on. No 25,000 can't even be bothered to look at this board or the petition. May be 25,001 if it does not offer constructive posts.

mark82 · May 18, 2012

italiahorse said:
Because most people can't be bothered and cannot influence what is going on. No 25,000 can't even be bothered to look at this board or the petition. May be 25,001 if it does not offer constructive posts.

Which posts have not been constructive?

mark82 · May 18, 2012

Or do you mean posts that don't match your personal opinion?

mark82 · May 18, 2012

Out of interest, what is the plan for the season you are offering? Sit back and do nothing?

bulkoskyblue · May 18, 2012

mark82 said:
Which posts have not been constructive?

in his eyes anything that is anti sisu. he doesnt understand that people can have a view which opposes his own

mark82 · May 18, 2012

kduffy said:
The guy from the Higgs trust has admitted he hopes the sale of their share will go through. Said the current board are the best he has seen at the club for 20 years.

Have you got any sources for that? Everything I have seen suggests exactly the opposite.

mark82 · May 18, 2012

dongonzalos said:
‏@DonGonzalos @DropCCFCRentNOW is there something about the author of this petition I do not know, the petition seems quite reasonably worded.
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@DonGonzalos no I believe we have no real choice and this fool has normal alternative it's too late for petitions

I replied asking if he thought it was too late for petitions why is he taking the time to try and encourage people not to sign it suggesting the creator of it is a thug. Surely if it was too late it would not worry him

His posts seem very similar to Jon Gaunts! What reason do they have for calling him a thug? I thought all protests were peaceful? Have I missed something or is it just libellous mud-slinging?

Otis · May 18, 2012

I see Stuart Linnell retweeted the thug remark by Gaunt too.

Very surprised at that.

TheBoss · May 18, 2012

A Man Utd supporter I know has signed it, they are human after all.

dongonzalos · May 18, 2012

Current score 149 Sisu Out, 10,000 can't be bothered. Another 15,000 waiting in the wings for success who can't be bothered.[/QUOTE]

169 and that is out of potentially 3222 members on this site. The highest ever people on this site in one day is approx 990.

Or do you think a petition put on this site yesterday which has 3222 members has already been seen by 25000 other people?

dongonzalos · May 18, 2012

Otis said:
I see Stuart Linnell retweeted the thug remark by Gaunt too.

Very surprised at that.

I will ask Stuart Linnell what grounds he has to call the creator of the petition a thug

Grendel · May 18, 2012

mark82 said:
Have you got any sources for that? Everything I have seen suggests exactly the opposite.

He was on CWR at 8 am. He was very critical of sisu in the past but I assume he was mainly complimentary to fisher.

dongonzalos · May 18, 2012

kduffy said:
He was on CWR at 8 am. He was very critical of sisu in the past but I assume he was mainly complimentary to fisher.

Gaunty seems to think Higgs want to sell but the council don't.

Personally I am glad the council need to look at everyone's interests including the best for the fans.

I imagine Higgs as a charity have probably had enough of all the shit and all the hassle and want to walk away from it with a profit for the charity.

The council don't have that luxury they need to make sure they don't sell City down the stream.

We will vote or not for the council depending on their actions the Higgs charity do not have that pressure to get the decision right

dongonzalos · May 18, 2012

Otis said:
I see Stuart Linnell retweeted the thug remark by Gaunt too.

Very surprised at that.

Do you know his twitter name cant find him?

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