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junglej13

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  • Aug 11, 2021
  • #36
steve101 said:
Given our financial constraints I would keep Allen. He seems like a decent squad player and provides cover for O'Hare. He seems like a good personality to have around. Robins has alluded to this previously and giving him the captaincy tonight is another pointer. Even though he didn't come off the bench v Forest he was ecstatic at the end when celebrating with the players. You need these people around.
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First half an hour Allen was the best player on the pitch by a distance. Lovely disguised pass for Shipley when he blazed over the bar. Wasn't really involved after that though.
 
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NortonSkyBlue

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #37
cc84cov said:
We didn’t have the balls to go and get osti
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Was never our player and you need money which we don’t have.
 

CDK

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #38
Allen is the one player to come out of Northampton debacle ok.
 

Gint11

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #39
A win or draw on Satdee and all is forgiven
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #40
People saying Shipley as cover after Hamer Sheaf and Kelly, personally from what I've seen id even have Howley ahead of him.

At least he looks like he can do more than 20 minutes and doesnt bottle every tackle going
 
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larry_david

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #41
Everyone misses sitters in their life. Everyone misses shockers. That one was night was one of those.
 

stevefloyd

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #42
I didn't realise that Drysdale was only 21 so there is room for an improvement I guess but, and this is nothing personal, Shipley is surely blowing his career away with lacklustre/poor performances, the guy has a great shot on him when he appears he wants to be bothered but he just keeps wasting opportunities time after time and with the likes of Jobello Hilsner and co are costing the club their combined wages for us to enable bringing in hopefully a decent player but as we all know if you keep shopping in the bargain basement those goods are not going to last long!!!
 
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #43
Darius Henderson
 
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Speedie's Head

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #44
Oggy said in commentary that Shipley thought he was offside.

The writing was on the wall in the preseason I'm sorry to say - those who said it didn't matter, misread the tea leaves.
 

fatso

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #45
stevefloyd said:
I didn't realise that Drysdale was only 21 so there is room for an improvement I guess but, and this is nothing personal, Shipley is surely blowing his career away with lacklustre/poor performances, the guy has a great shot on him when he appears he wants to be bothered but he just keeps wasting opportunities time after time and with the likes of Jobello Hilsner and co are costing the club their combined wages for us to enable bringing in hopefully a decent player but as we all know if you keep shopping in the bargain basement those goods are not going to last long!!!
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Drysdale is the same age as Ostigard, which shows how far behind he is in terms of his development, also we are rumoured to be bringing in a 23 year old centre half who will be going straight into the first team match day squad ahead of Drysdale.


If I was Drysdale, I'd be very worried about my future right now.
 
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TomS91

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #46
fatso said:
Drysdale is the same age as Ostigard, which shows how far behind he is in terms of his development, also we are rumoured to be bringing in a 23 year old centre half who will be going straight into the first team match day squad ahead of Drysdale.


If I was Drysdale, I'd be very worried about my future right now.
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For context when McFadzean was 20-23 he played for Alfreton Town. Players develop at different rates. Drysdale may or may not be good enough. But just because he's not an automatic starter in the Championship at 21 doesn't mean he can't be in the future.
 
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fatso

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #47
TomS91 said:
For context when McFadzean was 20-23 he played for Alfreton Town. Players develop at different rates. Drysdale may or may not be good enough. But just because he's not an automatic starter in the Championship at 21 doesn't mean he can't be in the future.
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It's not just his age that's the issue, it's the fact that he's going backwards, and appears to be further than ever away from challenging for a first team place.
He wasnt helped last night by being in a defence that included DaCosta and Reid, but I cant honestly see him improving enough to become a championship player.
I hope for his sake that he proves me wrong.

Ostigard went on loan last year and improved considerably as a result.
Drysdale went on loan and looks worse for the experience! He's still young, but it's not looking good for him at the present time.
 

larry_david

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #48
Ostigard is a different pedigree from Drysdale and completely out of our reach. Drysdale is 21 with experience at league 2 and league 1 level, he probably needs another loan now especially with Jake coming in but to say he's done after one performance where, no one showed anything is a bit short sighted. If we sacked off every player after one performance we'd have no one left.


Yes he needs to improve, yes he needs to learn, MR has said as much. But i'd rather give him the chance to learn than sack him off at the age of 21.
 
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larry_david

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #49
TomS91 said:
For context when McFadzean was 20-23 he played for Alfreton Town. Players develop at different rates. Drysdale may or may not be good enough. But just because he's not an automatic starter in the Championship at 21 doesn't mean he can't be in the future.
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This is what I was trying to say but failed. Sam Mcallum at 17 was playing for Herne Bay, Maatson at 17 was playing for Charlton, so what?
 

Greggs

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #50
Waghorn
 

Greggs

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #51
fatso said:
Drysdale is the same age as Ostigard, which shows how far behind he is in terms of his development, also we are rumoured to be bringing in a 23 year old centre half who will be going straight into the first team match day squad ahead of Drysdale.


If I was Drysdale, I'd be very worried about my future right now.
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Yes he's is dire!!
 

CDK

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #52
Need to shift the deadwood and replace which I think robins knows it.the sooner the better.
 
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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #53
CDK said:
Need to shift the deadwood and replace which I think robins knows it.the sooner the better.
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I am pretty sure we would if we could. League 1 and 2 clubs don't have the money to take on players like these
 

Offhegoes

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #54
I always liked Shipley in League 1 & 2. A midfielder with an eye for a goal, left footer etc. However last season he really seemed lost at times, and his better performances at the end of the season (goals against Huddersfield & Millwall) might of papered over the cracks. I would keep Allen at this point and try and offload Shipley.
 
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Great_Expectations

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #55
As others have said it isn't that easy to just move players on, especially this summer when club are more strapped than usual.

Having said that, I think Pask could still do a job as cover at CB and Allen can do a job CM/AM. Neither are ideal, but in our situation we could do worse. I still think there is a player in Pask he just needs a run of games in a fixed position and confidence, which come hand in hand and I don't think he'll get that with us in the Championship. I always though Allen was a technically gifted player, but he seems to make mistakes on even simple passes, perhaps confidence too.

I actually think Mason could as LB too, but we don't play with full backs and he is injured.

Shame for Shipley being 'one of our own' but he just doesn't seem to have anywhere near the fitness of a professional footballer or the intelligence for the Championship.

I want Drysdale to come good and a few Cambridge associated people I know rated him highly, but I still recall one of his first games for us in L1 (can't remember the oppositon) and he looked really slow, that isn't ideal. Hopefully another L1 loan will help.
 
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Samo

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #56
Saddlebrains said:
So it seems this evening has reinforced the fact our squad depth is lacking.

We all know we need some outs to get more than the 2 in that MR wants. But who would take any of them?

For example:

Allen - you'd think a decent L1 side.
Pask - Same as Allen
Shipley - See above

Drysdale - league 2?

Hillsner, Jobello i think we would struggle to find any takers for them two.

Frustrating thing is the wages of thek lot combined could get us a very very good CM or CB for this league ( on top of the 2 loans MR has lined up)


We need to hope we stay relatively injury free, because can anyone really see us shifting any of these?
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The way I see it is that as much as we (and probably MR) would like to replace a number of players with better quality, it just can't be done. It has to be incremental so we may have to live the likes of Allen, Pask and Shipley until next season.

Hopefully, Hillsner, Jobello and Mason can be loaned out or moved on, there is still time. (I think some questions need to be asked about recruitment though)

The bright side is we still have Kelly, Godden and Eccles to come back and two more to come in regardless of above. I think we'll be fine.

Not sure on Drysdale, maybe loan him out again and give him a bit more time to prove himself.
 
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Winny the Bish

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #57
Get Shipley out on loan in L1. He's homegrown so I wouldn't want to bin him off completely, but get him consistent games and see if he can improve.
 

Skyblue_CP

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #58
skyblue93 said:
Get Shipley out on loan in L1. He's homegrown so I wouldn't want to bin him off completely, but get him consistent games and see if he can improve.
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He's nearly 24, he's played in the 1st team for 5 years and hasn't improved all that much, where do you draw the line?
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #59
CDK said:
Allen is the one player to come out of Northampton debacle ok.
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Debacle?

Our second string lost 2-1 in the league cup
 
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rexo87

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #60
CDK said:
Allen is the one player to come out of Northampton debacle ok.
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He was good for 30 mins and then just ran around doing nothing


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Winny the Bish

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #61
Skyblue_CP said:
He's nearly 24, he's played in the 1st team for 5 years and hasn't improved all that much, where do you draw the line?
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After another season in L1. Get him out of his comfort zone and see if he sinks or swims. Then we'll know if he has what it takes to step up.
 

larry_david

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #62
What annoys me is when MR praises Allen for 'running his socks off' - Is that worth praise? Isn't that a minimum expectation!?
 
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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #63
larry_david said:
What annoys me is when MR praises Allen for 'running his socks off' - Is that worth praise? Isn't that a minimum expectation!?
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Exactly. To be honest if I had the chance to play for City I would run my socks off.
 

COV

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #64
larry_david said:
What annoys me is when MR praises Allen for 'running his socks off' - Is that worth praise? Isn't that a minimum expectation!?
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well he’s hardly going to say “he was ok for a few minutes then he was garbage” is he

I wouldn’t want Robins making that kind of statement in public & not sure there are too many that would do that.
 

cc84cov

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #65
larry_david said:
What annoys me is when MR praises Allen for 'running his socks off' - Is that worth praise? Isn't that a minimum expectation!?
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The definition of “reaching”
 

mr_monkey

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #66
cc84cov said:
The definition of “reaching”
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Nah that's your knowledge of football mate
 

better days

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #67
larry_david said:
What annoys me is when MR praises Allen for 'running his socks off' - Is that worth praise? Isn't that a minimum expectation!?
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He may be using him as an example to other younger guys last night who perhaps didn't put in as much effort?
 
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Hobo

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #68
Liquid Gold said:
Debacle?

Our second string lost 2-1 in the league cup
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Don't panic - just off load the lot
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #69
Speedie's Head said:
Oggy said in commentary that Shipley thought he was offside.

The writing was on the wall in the preseason I'm sorry to say - those who said it didn't matter, misread the tea leaves.
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That's a really poor excuse.
 
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larry_david

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  • Aug 12, 2021
  • #70
better days said:
He may be using him as an example to other younger guys last night who perhaps didn't put in as much effort?
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Fair play. I suppose a lot of what is said is aimed at others too. I notice his comments on Drysdale were pretty damming (I'm a fan of DD i'm sure that's coming across) but he said something like 'he needs to understand defending which at times, it looked like he didn't'

I think as someone opened with earlier on the thread. If you put one or two fringe players in the first team, they'd step up and bounce off the senior players. Put all fringe players in an 11 together and of course it's going to be a struggle.
 
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