olderskyblue
Well-Known Member
Yep, clearly the club should be important to everyone else, just not the owners.
Interestingly the club seems to have taken the same stance as me and not bothered asking or expecting our owners to do the right thing by the club. We’re reliant on anyone else but them being the good guys.
Duggins should be sent to the ethics committee
They never have been, have they?
People have no interest in understanding when they vent.
"SISU are the same entity as CCFC"
"They aren't"
"They own them"
I own a car, I'm not a car. If I was to drive said car into somebody on purpose then the car won't do the jail time for me.
A fat lot of good that would do.Duggins should be sent to the ethics committee
Problem with that is then you have to accept that it’s the club that’s suing Wasps and the council. Sisu are not on the court papers. If they’re not the club they’re not the club. Or are they not the club when suits?
The club are suing under the direction of SISU which again doesn’t make them the same thingsProblem with that is then you have to accept that it’s the club that’s suing Wasps and the council. Sisu are not on the court papers. If they’re not the club they’re not the club. Or are they not the club when suits?
I'm glad we're not Newcastle, I'd hate to be as fat as Mike Ashley.This is where it's about understanding the control bit.
I wouldn't be a car if I drove it into somebody on the pavement. It would be me controlling the car.
How does SISU having significant control over the club make them the club? It's like somebody going round with a puppet touching people up and saying "it was the puppet, not me".
when will someone be asking SISU and Fisher what happened to the Stadium they were gong to build
Do you believe Sisu?when will someone be asking SISU and Fisher what happened to the Stadium they were gong to build
I'm glad we're not Newcastle, I'd hate to be as fat as Mike Ashley.
I'd rather be Man City cos then I'd own a country.Could you buy stuff in the house of fraser or sports direct on your Season Ticket though?
You're either being vaguely ironical or you haven't read all of the threadwhen will someone be asking SISU and Fisher what happened to the Stadium they were gong to build
Do you believe Sisu?
If yes then you're a mug
If no then the point you're making is stupid and doesn't help what's happening now.
But, they are now saying that statement was made for the duration of the rental agreement - 4 years. so yes they are backtracking and basically saying its cov fc fault now so tough!!Well they haven’t - they said “anything that threatens the existence of the football club”
Not “you can’t kick them out for 4 years”
But, they are now saying that statement was made for the duration of the rental agreement - 4 years. so yes they are backtracking and basically saying its cov fc fault now so tough!!
Bit like the whole 350m a week going to the NHS when campaigning for BrexitYep, they are basically saying it was meaningless. Which then means they have misled councillors when they voted and lied to taxpayers to keep them happy...
That is a letter from Otium under the guise of CCFC. They (the owners) have tried very hard recently to create this separation between club and owners but that's not how it works.
Far too many people are looking on this from being a supporter. From that standpoint I understand the responses. But if you look at it from a neutral standpoint it's far more nuanced.
The letter talks about what was said in 2014 but the owners of this club have been told what to do if they want a deal - end litigation. If they don't - no deal. They've ignored that and continued. As far as I can see the future of this club has been put into jeopardy just as much (arguably more so) by the owners than the council/Wasps. They had a choice to make and they made it. The club's owners could secure the future of this club in two seconds flat - end the court case. Or they could continue the court case and sell the club so the two are actually separate. They haven't done either. They've made their bed and are now going to have to lie in it. The owners are relying on supporter fanaticism to overcome reason to put pressure on other parties - they keep on playing this trick and it looks like people are getting duped yet again.
If you reverse the position - CCFC owns stadium, another team rents the facilites but is suing the owners of CCFC. CCFC have said no deal unless no court case. Should CCFC do a deal to ensure the survival of the other club? Of course not - we should tell them to do one and if they go under tough shit. They were fully aware of the consequences.
Having said that it would be very nice to hear Wasps put a definitive deal on the table that can be signed as soon as that happened, setting out the terms/rent etc. But as far as I'm concerned if legal action is not dropped, no deal should be done. If one of your kids is naughty and you threaten them with no dinner/tv etc and then cave in, they'll just carry on being naughty because they know it's just empty threats. If you're going to make the threat you have to follow through. It's time someone played hardball.
That is a letter from Otium under the guise of CCFC. They (the owners) have tried very hard recently to create this separation between club and owners but that's not how it works.
Far too many people are looking on this from being a supporter. From that standpoint I understand the responses. But if you look at it from a neutral standpoint it's far more nuanced.
The letter talks about what was said in 2014 but the owners of this club have been told what to do if they want a deal - end litigation. If they don't - no deal. They've ignored that and continued. As far as I can see the future of this club has been put into jeopardy just as much (arguably more so) by the owners than the council/Wasps. They had a choice to make and they made it. The club's owners could secure the future of this club in two seconds flat - end the court case. Or they could continue the court case and sell the club so the two are actually separate. They haven't done either. They've made their bed and are now going to have to lie in it. The owners are relying on supporter fanaticism to overcome reason to put pressure on other parties - they keep on playing this trick and it looks like people are getting duped yet again.
If you reverse the position - CCFC owns stadium, another team rents the facilites but is suing the owners of CCFC. CCFC have said no deal unless no court case. Should CCFC do a deal to ensure the survival of the other club? Of course not - we should tell them to do one and if they go under tough shit. They were fully aware of the consequences.
Having said that it would be very nice to hear Wasps put a definitive deal on the table that can be signed as soon as that happened, setting out the terms/rent etc. But as far as I'm concerned if legal action is not dropped, no deal should be done. If one of your kids is naughty and you threaten them with no dinner/tv etc and then cave in, they'll just carry on being naughty because they know it's just empty threats. If you're going to make the threat you have to follow through. It's time someone played hardball.
That is a letter from Otium under the guise of CCFC. They (the owners) have tried very hard recently to create this separation between club and owners but that's not how it works.
Far too many people are looking on this from being a supporter. From that standpoint I understand the responses. But if you look at it from a neutral standpoint it's far more nuanced.
The letter talks about what was said in 2014 but the owners of this club have been told what to do if they want a deal - end litigation. If they don't - no deal. They've ignored that and continued. As far as I can see the future of this club has been put into jeopardy just as much (arguably more so) by the owners than the council/Wasps. They had a choice to make and they made it. The club's owners could secure the future of this club in two seconds flat - end the court case. Or they could continue the court case and sell the club so the two are actually separate. They haven't done either. They've made their bed and are now going to have to lie in it. The owners are relying on supporter fanaticism to overcome reason to put pressure on other parties - they keep on playing this trick and it looks like people are getting duped yet again.
If you reverse the position - CCFC owns stadium, another team rents the facilites but is suing the owners of CCFC. CCFC have said no deal unless no court case. Should CCFC do a deal to ensure the survival of the other club? Of course not - we should tell them to do one and if they go under tough shit. They were fully aware of the consequences.
Having said that it would be very nice to hear Wasps put a definitive deal on the table that can be signed as soon as that happened, setting out the terms/rent etc. But as far as I'm concerned if legal action is not dropped, no deal should be done. If one of your kids is naughty and you threaten them with no dinner/tv etc and then cave in, they'll just carry on being naughty because they know it's just empty threats. If you're going to make the threat you have to follow through. It's time someone played hardball.
Think if it comes to it they will allow it, assuming we can find somewhere. They will be less concerned about preventing the end of the football club and more concerned about not spending years in court fighting SISU.Do not rule out the EFL agreeing to the club playing at another ground to complete its fixtures.
They can't really say no can they.
This is where it's about understanding the control bit.
I wouldn't be a car if I drove it into somebody on the pavement. It would be me controlling the car.
How does SISU having significant control over the club make them the club? It's like somebody going round with a puppet touching people up and saying "it was the puppet, not me".
Very well said Sky Blue dreamer but I'd put your tin hat on if I were you.
I can hand on heart say that as much as I despise Wasps being in the city and moving teams around the country if the situation was reversed I would be far from happy for my football club to put another club out of existence and would be happy to join any action taken by their supporters. For no other reason than it wouldn't be fair on their supporters.If you reverse the position - CCFC owns stadium, another team rents the facilites but is suing the owners of CCFC. CCFC have said no deal unless no court case. Should CCFC do a deal to ensure the survival of the other club? Of course not - we should tell them to do one and if they go under tough shit. They were fully aware of the consequences.
So who is accountable for the club at the moment, who is CCFC if what we hear from the club is the 'the owners' are persuing legal action against the council?
Think if it comes to it they will allow it, assuming we can find somewhere. They will be less concerned about preventing the end of the football club and more concerned about not spending years in court fighting SISU.
I think they will be very concerned about the actual demise of CCFC, but it hasn't come to that yet. We are in a stand off till at least March I think.
What a fucking shock
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Very well said Sky Blue dreamer but I'd put your tin hat on if I were you.
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