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jesus-wept

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I quite like the MK Dons stadium, would fit perfectly on the old Courtaulds site !
 
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Deleted member 5849

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Again, location has nothing to do with the building. HR was on the edge of the city (Swan Lane was the boundary) when it was built surrounded by fields.

Character isn't something that's built. Its something that builds up over decades. No new ground has character.

They certainly don't when it's a McDOnaldized football ground.

Safe, predictable, corporate, slick...

Soulless.
 

theferret

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But that's nothing to do with the actual structure. Your argument is like the people on those house buying TV programmes who wont buy a house because of the colour of the walls.

Im not saying the Ricoh is perfect, but the building, the actual structure is one of the best in football. All the issues you have brought up are more to do with how the ground is operated, not how its built.

But you can't judge a football ground based just on the structure, that is absurd. Would anyone buy a 6 bedroom farm house in Wood End? Location is everything. Dump the Emirates just inside the M25 and it becomes a whole different experience.

I'd also argue that the quality of the building itself is questionable. Most the money went on the on exhibition hall, hotel, casino and other conference facilities; the main stadium bowl is value engineered and the finish is poor. It was built with one elevation (much like St Mary's) because it is cheap. The concourse is cold and bleak (not even a false ceiling) and the exterior cladding is as cheap as it comes and is already discoloured and weathered. I don't mind a stadium that is a bit run down I suppose, it gives it character, but the problem with the Ricoh is that it fits neither category. It has none of that character you get at an old ground, but it also is not a very good example of a modern stadium because so many corners were cut in its design and construction. Add into that the location of it and the fact there is so much distance between the fans and the pitch and it adds up to a place that just isn't a very good football stadium. The acoustics are also pretty shit because of the raised roof (so many people who watch concerts there say the sound is appalling).
 

bigfatronssba

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They certainly don't when it's a McDOnaldized football ground.

Safe, predictable, corporate, slick...

Soulless.

Like I say, name a new ground that isn't?

As much as you or I don't like it, that is modern football.

Only way around that is FC City of Coventry.
 

bigfatronssba

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Not really, I *was* boycotting theclub because I was unhappy with our owners, so how could I know what it was like v Crewe!

Sorry, I thought it was a Grendelesk type sarcastic remark
 
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Like I say, name a new ground that isn't?

As much as you or I don't like it, that is modern football.

Only way around that is FC City of Coventry.

What you're missing is neither myself nor ferret have said in the slightest not togo back to the Ricoh; if it's a choice of a shit ground in the wrong town, or one in the right one, we've both said we'd rather the right one.

That doesn't mean we have to gloss over what to us are rather severe faults with the Ricoh. The very essence of the Ricoh switches me off football... just not as much as the essence of aCoventry club in Northampton!

That doesn't mean I'm not turned off being asked to cheer the Telent stand!
 

stupot07

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So you would rather 4 identical stands?

I hate that look. The Ricoh's saving grace is having at least one unique stand.

I hate that stand, makes it look like the stadium was open whenever we were on sky.


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stupot07

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The downward trend wasn't as much as people make out anyway.

To average 15k in a relegation season, the clubs worst in at least 50 years is marvellous for a club the size of CCFC.

2005/06 - 21,301
2006/07 - 20,342
2007/08 - 19,123
2008/09 - 17,407 - sisu's first full season, investment in the squad and supposed renewed optimism.
2009/10 - 17,305
2010/11 - 16,310
2011/12 - 15,118 (relegation)
2012/13 - 10,948 (league One)

Almost a linear downward trend.


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bigfatronssba

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But you can't judge a football ground based just on the structure, that is absurd. Would anyone buy a 6 bedroom farm house in Wood End? Location is everything. Dump the Emirates just inside the M25 and it becomes a whole different experience.

I'd also argue that the quality of the building itself is questionable. Most the money went on the on exhibition hall, hotel, casino and other conference facilities; the main stadium bowl is value engineered and the finish is poor. It was built with one elevation (much like St Mary's) because it is cheap. The concourse is cold and bleak (not even a false ceiling) and the exterior cladding is as cheap as it comes and is already discoloured and weathered. I don't mind a stadium that is a bit run down I suppose, it gives it character, but the problem with the Ricoh is that it fits neither category. It has none of that character you get at an old ground, but it also is not a very good example of a modern stadium because so many corners were cut in its design and construction. Add into that the location of it and the fact there is so much distance between the fans and the pitch and it adds up to a place that just isn't a very good football stadium. The acoustics are also pretty shit because of the raised roof (so many people who watch concerts there say the sound is appalling).

Interesting you say about the raised roof.

One of the main criticisms of HR in its later years was the low West Terrace roof. Made a good atmosphere in the stand itself, but trapped the sound in. That rendered it pretty useless for atmosphere around the whole ground. I used to be an East Stand lad and how the West Terrace sounded from there did not do justice to the noise the fans were making. Conversely on the rare occasion the placid lot in the family stand joined in, the atmosphere greatly improved.

I remember it being said at the time that the high roof was to allow to noise to travel around the ground.
 

bigfatronssba

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What you're missing is neither myself nor ferret have said in the slightest not togo back to the Ricoh; if it's a choice of a shit ground in the wrong town, or one in the right one, we've both said we'd rather the right one.

That doesn't mean we have to gloss over what to us are rather severe faults with the Ricoh. The very essence of the Ricoh switches me off football... just not as much as the essence of aCoventry club in Northampton!

That doesn't mean I'm not turned off being asked to cheer the Telent stand!

All I'm saying is the faults of the Ricoh aren't to do with the building, but mostly how its run. A fault is only severe if its difficult to correct.

Pretty much all the faults you listed (baring location) can be solved without any structural work.
 

bigfatronssba

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I hate that stand, makes it look like the stadium was open whenever we were on sky.


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Again its a simple solution. Either get some proper seats in there (non corporate ones) or move the TV gantry.
 
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Can't solve a corporate stand, can't solve the bowl nature of it and identikit function, can't solve the single tier (the ability to extend to 2 tiers later if needed was taken out the build to save cost), can't solve the general blandness.

Fine, you like it.

I don't!
 

theferret

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Interesting you say about the raised roof.

One of the main criticisms of HR in its later years was the low West Terrace roof. Made a good atmosphere in the stand itself, but trapped the sound in. That rendered it pretty useless for atmosphere around the whole ground. I used to be an East Stand lad and how the West Terrace sounded from there did not do justice to the noise the fans were making. Conversely on the rare occasion the placid lot in the family stand joined in, the atmosphere greatly improved.

I remember it being said at the time that the high roof was to allow to noise to travel around the ground.

The West Terrace is not a good example, it didn't have a roof (just an overhang that covered the back half a dozen rows). The roof at the Ricoh is too high and it doesn't allow for good acoustics and makes the ground feel too open. It's a minor point though, there are much bigger faults than that.
 

bigfatronssba

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Can't solve a corporate stand (of course you can, remember how many times the boxes in the Main Stand at HR moved around?), can't solve the bowl nature of it and identikit function (is it being a bowl an issue? HR pretty much had all the corners filled in), can't solve the single tier (the ability to extend to 2 tiers later if needed was taken out the build to save cost) (ok you have a point with that), can't solve the general blandness. (signage, banners, pictures etc)

Fine, you like it.

I don't!
 

ricohroar

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You saw that fat twat on a train and didn't chuck him off?? Call your self a city fan lol. I'd of loved to see him on a train.
 

The Gentleman

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Not really, I *was* boycotting theclub because I was unhappy with our owners, so how could I know what it was like v Crewe!

Well if you were not there, I can tell you it looked great but the atmosphere wasn't despite being a full house. The round before against Preston, one full stand and the place was fucking rocking and when we equalized and then scored the winner I can honestly say I have never seen Coventry fans go as mental as then. A football ground can be the best, prettiest, with amazing facilities where a hostess comes out and gives you a rub down at half time (now that would be a winner) but for me it's the fans that make it what it is or the history behind. Some on here mention how amazing Arsenal's ground is but I know a few Gooners and they all wish they were back at Highbury. If we had owners who really backed the team and were not in it for what they thought would be a quick return, we could have done what Southampton or Norwich did. Then in a few years time you and many others would have people talking about the time they saw Wilson score the winner against United after a mazy run to beat 5 players or Clarke scoring a hatrick against Liverpool or Fleck scoring a couple on Boxing day to beat Villa. In a few years people would say, were you at the Ricoh when all of them things happened. That is what creates history, not bricks and mortar, it is the things that take you somewhere else for 90 minutes and who you were there with that mattered.
 

skybluealan

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What grounds were mentioned
I know it will be hard to believe but the countries grounds were mentioned by Mr. Fisher, 1st was in Russia and the second was in Qatar. I could not have made that up. That is why I said when I started this thread I cannot see any hope for Coventry while SISU are there.
 

RPHunt

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I know it will be hard to believe but the countries grounds were mentioned by Mr. Fisher, 1st was in Russia and the second was in Qatar. I could not have made that up. That is why I said when I started this thread I cannot see any hope for Coventry while SISU are there.

So, it's going to be an air conditioned stadium that will be shut during the winter months because of the snow and frost. Makes as much sense as all his other nonsense.
 

play_in_skyblue_stripes

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I for one agree with you, but at my age I feel I will never see Coventry play in Coventry again.[/QUOTE

I desperately hope you do see us back. This is just a disgrace that we are being denied watching our team.
I even boycott watching goals on tv of SISU Northamptons home games. Its just too painful.

I will be shouting "SISU OUT" at Preston. Join me in the chant there!
 

letsallsingtogether

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Fuckin Rotherham!!!!
Positive you are disillusioned if I see that as positive fuckin scandalous.


Our new ground will be based on Rotherham's New York stadium, worth taking a look! Now that's positive!
 

letsallsingtogether

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so this is what we have to aspire to
 

Tonylinc

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Doesn't look that bad to me but why are we arguing about this......Shitzu have absolutely no intention whatsoever of building a new stadium. All this crap is designed to pressurise CCC into some sort of deal for the Ricoh.
 

Grendel

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It got an air raid shelter in the middle of the stand come on if that looks good.
It is shit same as Donnie Ground if that is what we get then Bye bye CCFC from me it is embarrassing.

So the quality if the ground is more important than the football club?

Bizarre. If in Coventry I would watch the club in the memorial park with temporary facilities. If you support the club why wouldn't you?
 

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