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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,276
Astute said:
Mine was.a couple or so days ago. I said about the billions that the EU pensions cost. And that Farage has a go about it but refuses to forego his.pension rights or the massive payoff he will get when he isn't an MEP anymore.
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Another gem is him complaining about foreigners taking jobs and then he employed his ex German wife as "she was the only one about to do the job."
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,277
Sick Boy said:
Another gem is him complaining about foreigners taking jobs and then he employed his ex German wife as "she was the only one about to do the job."
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To me his job in politics is about over. It was all about us leaving the EU. Hopefully we will never hear about or from him ever again.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,278
Grendel said:
There is loads and it’s not even anything to do with Israel. Oddly if you have an arms industry you facilitate war so again it’s an irrelevance.

This is one individual whose history is full of personal association with unpleasant people.

Enoch Powell was fired for urging voters to vote labour and was a close friend to Corbyns hero Michael Foot so go figure.
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Leaving out 'crimes' from 'war crimes', quite convenient. Bombs land in Yemen with 'Made in Britain' on the shrapnel, do you think that increases or decreases anti-Western sentiment in that part of the world?

'In this country in fifteen or twenty years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.'

Replace black with Jewish, and suppose Corbyn had said it in the '80s. We both know how you'd choose to interpret the quote.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,279
Astute said:
And as I keep saying I do have a go at the Tories. But for some reason you never notice.

I always have a go at Farage but you never notice.

I always have a go at the choice of Corbyn and Co. You never miss it.
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Who is the lesser evil?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,280
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Who is the lesser evil?
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Name the subject and you will get a different answer.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,281
Astute said:
To me his job in politics is about over. It was all about us leaving the EU. Hopefully we will never hear about or from him ever again.
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I think he will find a way back into the limelight and cannot help himself, especially after his call for a 2nd referendum!
 
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SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,282
Corbyn & McDonnell are life-long anti-British hard left class warriors. They’ve hijacked the Labour Party to spread their politics of hatred and envy whilst masquerading as the champions of the working class. They’re not. They’d wreck the country if they ever got into power and the working class would actually suffer the most. So stop whining about false smear campaigns and wake up to the fact that the sooner this filth is purged from mainstream British politics the better it will be for everyone.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,283
Grendel said:
There are no lies and the only disgrace is this wretched man was alllowed as leader in the first place.
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Bloody democracy, should just not let people vote it would be much easier.
shmmeee said:
There’s some talent on the back benches, I rate Umunna, Creasey, some of Kinnocks stuff.
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Christ, if thats the alternatives to Corbyn god help us. Back to a choice of blue tory or red tory.
clint van damme said:
For every accusation you can throw at Corbyn you can throw a similar one at the tories yet it doesn't happen, what are you failing to grasp about that?
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Perfectly illustrated by that disgrace of a front page in the Times yesterday. As soon as people saw it and looked for similar about the Conservatives social media was full of examples far worse from Conservatives than months of Sunday Times 'investigative journalism' had found with Labour.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,284
How are Corbyn and McDonnell anti-British? What utter shite.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,285
Grendel said:
Mays popularity rating soared and Corbyns collapsed.
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Interesting, I've just googled for polls since Corbyn first spoke on the Russian poisoning and got results like these:
Labour 'stealing a march' on Tories in target seats
Tories head for record low in London local elections | Politics | The ...
New poll shows Labour has a seven-point lead over the Conservatives
Labour surges in polls over fears brutal Tory cuts will spark recession
In UK, political momentum is with Corbyn

and as a bonus a YouGov poll showing anti-semitism has fallen under Corbyns leadership:
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.n...AntisemitismResults_170803_JewishOpinions.pdf
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,286
YouGov?

So when did they last get something right? :smuggrin:
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,287
Astute said:
YouGov?

So when did they last get something right? :smuggrin:
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They trialled a different statistical polling method for the 2017 election and correctly predicted a hung Parliament with an increase in Labour's share.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,288
Sick Boy said:
Personally I am not a huge fan of JC but a lot of the attacks from the right wing response are due to fear that there could well be change in the air. Let's hope the next Labour leader will not slide back to the right and will continue the fight.
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The guardian are now producing several critical articles of Corbyn now.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,289
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They trialled a different statistical polling method for the 2017 election and correctly predicted a hung Parliament with an increase in Labour's share.
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They kept that bit quiet then.

It was what I predicted. I even showed my winning betting slip on here.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,290
Astute said:
They kept that bit quiet then.

It was what I predicted. I even showed my winning betting slip on here.
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They didn't keep it quiet it was on their website every day leading up to the election.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,291
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They didn't keep it quiet it was on their website every day leading up to the election.
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You have the link? Because I remember saying how wrong they had got it as usual.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,292
SIR ERNIE said:
Corbyn & McDonnell are life-long anti-British hard left class warriors. They’ve hijacked the Labour Party to spread their politics of hatred and envy whilst masquerading as the champions of the working class. They’re not. They’d wreck the country if they ever got into power and the working class would actually suffer the most. So stop whining about false smear campaigns and wake up to the fact that the sooner this filth is purged from mainstream British politics the better it will be for everyone.
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Give 3 ways in which the working classes would suffer under a Labour government and 3 ways they benefit from the Conservatives. Maybe under Labour I'd get a pay rise in line with inflation and wouldn't have to buy my own classroom materials...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,293
Astute said:
You have the link? Because I remember saying how wrong they had got it as usual.
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YouGov | Two methods, one commitment: YouGov’s polling and model at the 2017 election

How YouGov’s experimental poll correctly called the UK election
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,294
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Give 3 ways in which the working classes would suffer under a Labour government and 3 ways they benefit from the Conservatives. Maybe under Labour I'd get a pay rise in line with inflation and wouldn't have to buy my own classroom materials...
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Lower interest rates
Lower unemployment
Greater global economic confidence

Under conservative administrations
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,295
Brighton Sky Blue said:
YouGov | Two methods, one commitment: YouGov’s polling and model at the 2017 election

How YouGov’s experimental poll correctly called the UK election
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Read it yourself again.

An experimental poll got it right.

But it wasn't that part they told us about. They told us that it would be a Tory win again.

Nearly half of all Labour voters are set to abandon the party this election
 

Johnnythespider

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,296
Astute said:
Real choice?

Corbyn and those who have been with him for many years like Abbott and McDonnell have so many skeletons in the closet that some people constantly see a need to defend them.

My real choice would be a Labour leader without a whole graveyard full of skeletons in the closet. So it isn't Corbyn for me.
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I'm talking about a real choice politically not in leadership, why have election turn outs been on the way down for so long. I would hazard a guess it is because many voters don't or haven't seen a real difference between the 2 major parties for at least 20 years, hence the multi term governments since Thatchers era, people just allow the same party to rule until they get tired of the leaders voice and then put the other party in power.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,297
Johnnythespider said:
I'm talking about a real choice politically not in leadership, why have election turn outs been on the way down for so long. I would hazard a guess it is because many voters don't or haven't seen a real difference between the 2 major parties for at least 20 years, hence the multi term governments since Thatchers era, people just allow the same party to rule until they get tired of the leaders voice and then put the other party in power.
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I put a lot of it down to a lack of someone to vote for. It is more like who people don't want to vote for.

Anyway it is 3pm. There is a time and place for this bullshit. And now isn't it.
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,298
clint van damme said:
I don't need you to post Hitchens videos I've watched everything the man has ever done.
If you think he what he says justifies your Islamophobia then you've really misunderstood him.
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OK how about this.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,299
Grendel said:
Lower interest rates
Lower unemployment
Greater global economic confidence

Under conservative administrations
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Punishes people wanting to save
Higher proportion of low paid or insecure jobs, has led to increase in 'working poor' and decrease in living standards
Deficit targets way off the mark and the Brexit clusterfuck will cost tens of billions

Other perks:

£1.5 billion found to sweeten the DUP but can't find less to pay teachers properly
Proposals to reinstate a 3 tier education system which inherently favours the more well off
Total failure to hit net immigration targets despite most immigration coming from outside the EU

Compare to Germany which has more social democratic platform positions:

Debating how to spend their record federal surplus to the tune of tens of billions of pounds
Unemployment at 37 year low and lower living costs than the UK
Higher average wage, hardly any student debt and less pollution

No you're right let's keep electing right wingers.
 
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Johnnythespider

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,300
Astute said:
I put a lot of it down to a lack of someone to vote for. It is more like who people don't want to vote for.

Anyway it is 3pm. There is a time and place for this bullshit. And now isn't it.
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How about now
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,301
Johnnythespider said:
How about now
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Would rather invite Grendel round for a politicial discussion than watch Burge bring Christmas cheer to Yeovil
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,302
Captain Dart said:
OK how about this.
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so you think Islamophobia is justified?
i can find stuff on Twitter that justifies antisemitism, (but not at 3:08 when city are playing!)
Having concerns about fundamentalists is a different issue.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,303
Grendel said:
The guardian are now producing several critical articles of Corbyn now.
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certain writers always have, (Nick Cohen), for example. Much of the perceived left wing media are Blairites.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,304
clint van damme said:
certain writers always have, (Nick Cohen), for example. Much of the perceived left wing media are Blairites.
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Against Corbyn = left wing
For Corbyn = the truth
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,305
Astute said:
Against Corbyn = left wing
For Corbyn = the truth
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No. The Guardian is considered a very pro Corbyn paper by people on the right. It isn't the case, it does have pro Corbyn journalists but it has anti Corbyn journalists as well. Just correcting a misconception.
 

Astute

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  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,306
clint van damme said:
No. The Guardian is considered a very pro Corbyn paper by people on the right. It isn't the case, it does have pro Corbyn journalists but it has anti Corbyn journalists as well. Just correcting a misconception.
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I don't defend any of them. I have a go at all of them.

But on here I only get picked up on having a go at Corbyn.
 
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martcov

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  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,307
Grendel said:
Lower interest rates
Lower unemployment
Greater global economic confidence

Under conservative administrations
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Really? I remember the banks having to pay a „windfall tax“ because of the huge amount they were making from interest charges. Wasn’t that under Thatcher?

Unemployment in 1981 in Coventry reached record level as a result of Thatcher‘s policies.

Greater confidence? We are beginning to feel the lack of confidence as companies seek alternatives because of Brexit.

Basically you’re just making things up.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,308
Astute said:
I don't defend any of them. I have a go at all of them.

But on here I only get picked up on having a go at Corbyn.
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I'm not sure what you're on about to be honest. Grendel made a post about the Guardian having anti Corbyn articles. I was merely pointing out it happens more than people realise from particular journalists. My post was in no way directed at you.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,309
martcov said:
Really? I remember the banks having to pay a „windfall tax“ because of the huge amount they were making from interest charges. Wasn’t that under Thatcher?

Unemployment in 1981 in Coventry reached record level as a result of Thatcher‘s policies.

Greater confidence? We are beginning to feel the lack of confidence as companies seek alternatives because of Brexit.

Basically you’re just making things up.
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Unemployment has never reduced under any labour government you clueless fool.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2018
  • #2,310
clint van damme said:
I'm not sure what you're on about to be honest. Grendel made a post about the Guardian having anti Corbyn articles. I was merely pointing out it happens more than people realise from particular journalists. My post was in no way directed at you.
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So you don't normally aim any posts at me?

They are all a waste of space. Yet it is down to them on how we lead our lives. So I feel that I have the right to question all of them. And my questioning them doesn't depend on what party they stand for.
 
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