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Always seems to be the righties that make it personal...
Don’t back peddle , JC did not blame Russia directly everyone else has . He has even split his own party on the issue . You claimed he wanted proof where anyone with a small brain cell can understand what was said . I love it JC looking more like the failure he really is .
At least you're consistent with your fuckwittery, football or otherwise.
no. Because he wanted to see the evidence you daft twat. He wanted a proper enquiry which the statement is calling for and for Russian cooperation.
If they're found guilty or don't comply then we will have international backing for any sanctions which will be more effective than Gavin Williamson telling them to shut up and go away.
Remember when your bible the Daily Mail called Corbyn a traitor for not buying the WMD bollocks, bet you were against him then weren't you?
why?
Maybe he's waiting to see the evidence before jumping to conclusions, like he did with the Iraq war.
the evidence that would be presented to the OPCW who deal with this type of incident in accordance with international convention as I stated last night as No 10 has stated today.What evidence does he need that the Germans, French ,US or UK need to see that he does not believe.
Ps I don’t read any newspapers and have my own mind.
For goodness sake you do understand as I type this Russia will be covering everything up . The fact remains apart from all the bluff and bluster JC and his aide did not point any direct finger at Russia , he has his mouth shut today as he has himself realised his mistake . The man has no qualities to drive pedalos let alone run a country . He made a massive miscalculation that Teresa May could be exposed alone but Infact the opposite has happened and everyone behind her apart from morons like JC and his unwashed followers.
Well what do you want me to say ref Iraq war ? I was actually there and received a medal for it .
All I know we were practising for that war in 2001 in Saif saria 2 but it was a labour government that took us there . Is JC not Labour ?
Well what do you want me to say ref Iraq war ? I was actually there and received a medal for it .
All I know we were practising for that war in 2001 in Saif saria 2 but it was a labour government that took us there . Is JC not Labour ?
Stop trying to move this on, Corbyn should have as I said in my first response got behind the UK , Even the SNP did which is some achievement I can tell you . Mr CND made a monumental looney leftie response without consulting some good old fashioned unionised but patriotic Labour MP ‘s . He will be gone soon and good riddance , a shame for the good honest hard working labour supporters that have had to put up with the baffling fool riding on back of Brexit back lash and a Glastonbury appearance.
You really are thick. He spoke again today - saying that it was clear there was Russian involvement, but what was needed to be clarified was if this was a rogue action, or state sponsored action.
If you think that this is an incorrect response, then it's a good thing you have nothing to do with national security.
You really are thick. He spoke again today - saying that it was clear there was Russian involvement, but what was needed to be clarified was if this was a rogue action, or state sponsored action.
If you think that this is an incorrect response, then it's a good thing you have nothing to do with national security.
I give up I really do
Take a shower
Again why are you trying to move the subject ...
I am not interested in anything he did ref Iraq war .
I am interested and need a reasonable reason why he still does not believe given all the tangible evidence from Porton Down which is non political party aligned and the best in the world that he cannot support the UK as a whole cross party etc and wants the Russians to have their say .
Can you explain it ? Ps I know the answer
Clint, speaking as a person with no political affiliation at all, there does seem to be an almost cultish like acceptance amongst his followers who will not question him? everything he says is right and beyond question, he can't possibly be wrong? has he moved from the political to the metaphysical?if you can't see the parallels between the rush to condemn Corbyn then and the rush to condemn him now then I give up.
And I've actually answered your question more than once, you're just not capable of grasping it.
If people had have listened to the likes of Charles Kennedy, Robin Cook and Corbyn instead of ridiculing them when the Iraq invasion was being promoted the world would probably not be in half the mess it is now.if you can't see the parallels between the rush to condemn Corbyn then and the rush to condemn him now then I give up.
And I've actually answered your question more than once, you're just not capable of grasping it.
Some, maybe... the same as some will unquestioningly accept anything the righties say.Clint, speaking as a person with no political affiliation at all, there does seem to be an almost cultish like acceptance amongst his followers who will not question him? everything he says is right and beyond question, he can't possibly be wrong? has he moved from the political to the metaphysical?
If people had have listened to the likes of Charles Kennedy, Robin Cook and Corbyn instead of ridiculing them when the Iraq invasion was being promoted the world would probably not be in half the mess it is now.[/
NW, I agree that a lot of the coverage has become almost hysterical, but what I will say is that many of the Corbyn lovers have forgotten that he is a politician, he has an agenda like all politicians do, and anyone should be able to question him without fear of being labelled as being the "enemy" as the momentum movement seem to be so fond of doing.Some, maybe... the same as some will unquestioningly accept anything the righties say.
Doesn't help for a balanced debate when the character assassinations start however, that'll just back people into entrenched positions and have them defend him come what may. He's not perfect (as indeed, nobody is bar me) but what failings his policies do have will get lost among the ludicrous.
Why hasn’t Macron, Merkel and whoever forms the failed governments of Italy and Spain? All are increasing sales to saudi. Are you saying the whole of the EU should be dragged to The Hague?
Seriously you sound very silly.
Clint, speaking as a person with no political affiliation at all, there does seem to be an almost cultish like acceptance amongst his followers who will not question him? everything he says is right and beyond question, he can't possibly be wrong? has he moved from the political to the metaphysical?
'To get back on topic, if/when it has been officially established that the Russians are responsible for the spy poisoning Putins Oligarchs will still be allowed to wash their money through the City, they'll still be allowed to expand their London property portfolios and the tories will still take £800,000 yearly donations from them and not a word will be said, you watch.'
Yes but why connect them? Both are despicable but to connect them is to muddy the waters, which Corbyn, and many other politicians always do. It smacks of whataboutery, which puts a lot of people off debate because anyone can diverge from the real issue in hand. Corbyn is forever connecting every news story to his own hobby horses. In this case the issue is about the Russian state orchestrating a terror attack in U.K. or not.
Also, if we have to have proof of everything we never act ... and then it is often too late. That's what the intelligence services are for to establish the likely truth when proof is hard to deduce. Let's not pretend this doesn't fit the pattern of Russian actions in recent times.
why connect them? Because people are up in arms about this, (I'm saying wait for procedure to be followed as you are suggesting), but when Russias involvement is, as seems likely confirmed, what is May going to do?
What punitive measures will she take against putin? Expelling his Oligarchs and confiscating their assets would be the minimum I'd expect but I doubt it will happen so for all the tub thumping that's going on when push comes to shove let's see what happens and how tough she actually is.
what id they're linked to Putin? At least one tory donor is. You OK with that and if so what measures would you take?There is zero connection. Why expel Russian civilians as they are rich?
what id they're linked to Putin? At least one tory donor is. You OK with that and if so what measures would you take?
Again it’s not a government official - would be an infringement to civil liberty.
Would it? On what basis? If these are people who have been able to gain their wealth that allows them to reside in the UK through corruption in Russia and got away with it because of being close to Putin or the right people in Putins government why would it be an infringement on their civil liberties? All the government would have to do is check that full disclosure has been made on their visa and that their visa application is accurate (ie not full of lies) and if it isn’t cancel their visa. Simples. Take back control and all that nonsense. We have the means to make sure the “right” people are in the country and right to do that without trampling on peoples civil liberties. If they’ve lied or failed to give full disclosure on their application form they shouldn’t be here. The PM won’t do that though as it will prove embarrassing for her and the government when the people who shouldn’t be here end up being close to the Tories. Probably why Corbyn suggested this route while at the same time mentioning Russian donors to the Conservative party. He’s not naive, he knows upholding the law and revisiting who’s here by following proper process to the latter will embarrass the government and so does the PM, hence the phoney tough guy act.Again it’s not a government official - would be an infringement to civil liberty.
Not sure one of Putins henchmen contributing to the party in government is ethical though it's not illegal seen as he has British citezenship.
so what would you recommend?
It used to amaze me the lengths some people would go to in defending Corbyn. I can't imagine what they would be like if it was a tory leader who was involved in the IRA and had been meeting with Russians for years when nothing to do with being a leader. His spin doctor.has had meetings with Putin. So after that there is no surprise that they are trying to defend him.Just as well our PM has made sure to steer clear of Putin
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