No ofc it’s not, but say I earn 200,000 a year, why is it right that I only take 116,000 home?do you think it's fair that hard working people have to use food banks?
No ofc it’s not, but say I earn 200,000 a year, why is it right that I only take 116,000 home?
I have no problem with paying tax, but I do when there are people that sit on their areas all day, and expect hard working people to pay for it.
Can find or google yourself. I'm out and about so can find later. The economic theory is called the laffer curve.
I understand the theory but it's whether it is purely down to this theory or other factors. Banks have been recovering profitability since the CT rate was cut for example.
No ofc it’s not, but say I earn 200,000 a year, why is it right that I only take 116,000 home?
I have no problem with paying tax, but I do when there are people that sit on their areas all day, and expect hard working people to pay for it.
Paying taxes justifies the money you earn. I wouldn't complain about taking home £116k a year home, in many respects your top line is irrelevant. I take home a tenth of what you do a year and I too don't like people who sit on their arse all day and expect hard working people to pay for it. We're equal on that one, you don't get any bonus points because you pay more tax.
Truth is as a country we need individually and collectively a rethink on how and what tax we pay. We all want a first class public sector whether that be schools, hospitals, the number of firefighters, the number of police on the streets etc. but no one wants to pay for it regardless of what they earn. Take Denmark for instance, one of the highest tax rates in Europe, draconian I think one poster referred to it on here yet they're regularly rated as the happiest nation on earth. They have a first class public sector, good work life balance and high standards of living. If that's draconian I'll take it every day of the week.
Sky was speaking to people in Worthing, older wiser heads were saying no way would they vote Labour but the the young and naive all for the great give away, little realising that they'll have to pay heavily for it a decade down the line.
I don’t take that much home, but the fact that you take home only 60% of what you earn if you did earn 200,000, is ridiculous imo. I don’t see how it is fair and equal. That if you earn more you pay more.
I like the idea of a set rate for everybody, over a certain amount, it may not be financially viable but I don’t think it’s fair. But that’s my opinion and not everybody will agree.
Tbh I hate comparing countries, as it’s like comparing people. Not every country is the same and there are always so many different variables.
I just think punishing the people that have worked so hard to get to where they are puts some people off pushing themselves to the next level, which in itself harms quality of life... it might not be many. But still.
No you don’t get bonus points for paying more tax ofc not.
And yes I agree we do need a rethink of our tax system.
I think there is a ridiculous stat that if everybody in England paid £3 a year towards the NHS, then the huge financial crisis they are going through would be solved.
Sky was speaking to people in Worthing, older wiser heads were saying no way would they vote Labour but the the young and naive all for the great give away, little realising that they'll have to pay heavily for it a decade down the line.
Cannot agree with any of that. How can someone paying 60% in tax and ni pay less of their income in tax than someone paying nothing, or at the lowest band?Who said anything about punishing people who work hard? Paying tax is not a punishment. If somebody is put off working hard and pushing yourself by the idea of paying tax, I think they're probably not the high flyer they thought they were.
As a proportion of income, low and middle earners pay more tax in general than the very rich (including VAT and duty).
It's often sighted that the richest 10% pay x% amount of total income tax, what isn't sighted is how much that 10% are paid in the first place. Individuals earning middling wages on PAYE don't have the access or opportunity to have their income paid through other means, something the very rich do and exploit to its greatest extent (see Gary Barlow etc).
You've changed your tune!
Again this echoes Brexit. Selfish old people - my Dad included - voted for Brexit yet it will be the young, who in the main voted remain, who will suffer.
When they could be bothered to get off their lazy arses or pull their noses out of 'social media' for half an hour !............Besides will they really 'suffer' ??Again this echoes Brexit. Selfish old people - my Dad included - voted for Brexit yet it will be the young, who in the main voted remain, who will suffer.
Who said anything about punishing people who work hard? Paying tax is not a punishment. If somebody is put off working hard and pushing yourself by the idea of paying tax, I think they're probably not the high flyer they thought they were.
As a proportion of income, low and middle earners pay more tax in general than the very rich (including VAT and duty).
It's often sighted that the richest 10% pay x% amount of total income tax, what isn't sighted is how much that 10% are paid in the first place. Individuals earning middling wages on PAYE don't have the access or opportunity to have their income paid through other means, something the very rich do and exploit to its greatest extent (see Gary Barlow etc).
Again this echoes Brexit. Selfish old people - my Dad included - voted for Brexit yet it will be the young, who in the main voted remain, who will suffer.
Cannot agree with any of that. How can someone paying 60% in tax and ni pay less of their income in tax than someone paying nothing, or at the lowest band?
I assumed the OP was a wind-up.
Surely no one could seriously believe yesterday's dreadfully dull, vacuous performance by Ol' Jezza a good speech.
This food bank stuff is just being used by labour to grab power. For starters, nobody is dependent on them as visiting them is limited , they are intended as emergency stop gaps due to cash flow issues. Secondly, the increase in usage can at least partially be explained by the Tories allowing their existence to be advertised by social services. Finally, the nurse who claimed to be dependent on them turned out to be a momentum member.
Telling people that they are being hard done by, even if they were happy, is the oldest trick in the book to stir up unrest. Mao did it, Corbyn's doing it. And all the faithful feel indignation on behalf of all the people they don't know who are starving, and they can use it as an excuse to threaten others, dehumanise them and write horrible graffiti on their doors.
I can whole whole heartedly assure you that you are talking rubbish.
I only found out a few years ago what a life line they are for some (working) people.
Of course there will be those who abuse them but having working people with a genuine need to use them is a scandal, and I can tell you categorically that I have encountered such people.
A fairly detailed study concluded actually 5 out of 6 are unemployed and hardly any in regular permenant employment.
Unemployed should really receive food vouchers as a means of support instead of payments - they should have their basic needs satisfied before they receive pay from the state.
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Not voting labour is selfish? Echoes of Caitlin Moran's c**t tweet.
I can assure you that's bollocks, in my experience anyway, unless they've counted children as unemployed and even then I wouldn't believe it.
As for those not in regular permanent employment, that's what having a zero hours culture does for society.
Nope. Voting for Brexit was.
I can assure you that's bollocks, in my experience anyway, unless they've counted children as unemployed and even then I wouldn't believe it.
As for those not in regular permanent employment, that's what having a zero hours culture does for society.
Well the solution of getting rid of zero hour contracts and driving up minimum wage will almost certainly mean less jobs, and higher unemployment?
Why ?Well the solution of getting rid of zero hour contracts and driving up minimum wage will almost certainly mean less jobs, and higher unemployment?
to be fair that's a fairly accurate article with regard to the type of users but I don't get the 5 out of 6 are unemployed statistic.
Income shock is a massive factor though, though those people using it aren't generally regular users.
I don't know how anyone can read that article and be so dismissive of people in need, there is such a lack of empathy in society now it's depressing.
Another report said increased useage is correlated with awareness and becomes self perpetuating. It concludes its impossible to associate the growth with increasing poverty.
I volunteered at a food bank a bit last year and can assure you that a lot of the people using them have little choice and even feel a great deal of shame.
Luckily there are still people with compassion who donate food and a lot of time to help these people, it was bloody depressing.
**Awaits virtual signalling bollocks**
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