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dutchman · Mar 12, 2018

Corbyn supporters are partying after Labour takes a dramatic poll lead | The Canary

"Supporters of Jeremy Corbyn are celebrating after Labour took a dramatic seven point poll lead. Survation, the only polling company to accurately predict the 2017 general election result, has Labour on 44% and the Conservatives trailing on 37%. The Lib Dems received a mere 9%.

The poll places Corbyn’s Labour on a higher voteshare than Tony Blair’s 1997 election victory."

shmmeee · Mar 12, 2018

dutchman said:
Corbyn supporters are partying after Labour takes a dramatic poll lead | The Canary

"Supporters of Jeremy Corbyn are celebrating after Labour took a dramatic seven point poll lead. Survation, the only polling company to accurately predict the 2017 general election result, has Labour on 44% and the Conservatives trailing on 37%. The Lib Dems received a mere 9%.

The poll places Corbyn’s Labour on a higher voteshare than Tony Blair’s 1997 election victory."

Fucking Canary. What a shit rag.

Why compare voteshare? You’re comparing a theee horse race with a two horse race. On current polling we’re still short of a majority FFS.

skybluetony176 · Mar 12, 2018

dutchman said:
Corbyn supporters are partying after Labour takes a dramatic poll lead | The Canary

"Supporters of Jeremy Corbyn are celebrating after Labour took a dramatic seven point poll lead. Survation, the only polling company to accurately predict the 2017 general election result, has Labour on 44% and the Conservatives trailing on 37%. The Lib Dems received a mere 9%.

The poll places Corbyn’s Labour on a higher voteshare than Tony Blair’s 1997 election victory."

Interesting. I wonder if this is an indication that the British voter is behind a customs union with the EU?

Grendel · Mar 12, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Interesting. I wonder if this is an indication that the British voter is behind a customs union with the EU?

Given that despite his protestations he isn’t and that people voted for him in the last election believing he was anti Brexit I wouldn’t think people who vote for Mr Corbyn think that deeply.

Remember article 50 would have been triggered the next day after the referendum (none of this parliamentary nonsense) if he and his comrade had their way.

dutchman · Mar 12, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Interesting. I wonder if this is an indication that the British voter is behind a customs union with the EU?

I think it's more an indication that British voters despise the Tories and everything they stand for.

SkyblueBazza · Mar 12, 2018

dutchman said:
Corbyn supporters are partying after Labour takes a dramatic poll lead | The Canary

"Supporters of Jeremy Corbyn are celebrating after Labour took a dramatic seven point poll lead. Survation, the only polling company to accurately predict the 2017 general election result, has Labour on 44% and the Conservatives trailing on 37%. The Lib Dems received a mere 9%.

The poll places Corbyn’s Labour on a higher voteshare than Tony Blair’s 1997 election victory."

Shame there isn't an election on then really, eh?

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Ian1779 · Mar 12, 2018

shmmeee said:
Fucking Canary. What a shit rag.

Why compare voteshare? You’re comparing a theee horse race with a two horse race. On current polling we’re still short of a majority FFS.

Someone combined this with a Poll in Scotland where Labour vote share is up too. Worked out something like an outright Lab majority of 6-8. If I stumble across it again I'll post it.

Local elections in May will be interesting.

rob9872 · Mar 13, 2018

I look forward to another 390 pages of anti tory bile over the next few years before labour capitulate at the polls and you find a way to blame nasty tories for every corbyn mistake. Rinse and repeat but nobody will trust that clown to run the country.

dutchman · Mar 13, 2018

rob9872 said:
I look forward to another 390 pages of anti tory bile over the next few years before labour capitulate at the polls and you find a way to blame nasty tories for every corbyn mistake. Rinse and repeat but nobody will trust that clown to run the country.

Didn't everyone say the same thing about Donald Trump?

Ian1779 · Mar 13, 2018

rob9872 said:
I look forward to another 390 pages of anti tory bile over the next few years before labour capitulate at the polls and you find a way to blame nasty tories for every corbyn mistake. Rinse and repeat but nobody will trust that clown to run the country.

The fact that you trust the Tories is more worrying.

skybluetony176 · Mar 13, 2018

dutchman said:
I think it's more an indication that British voters despise the Tories and everything they stand for.

Like a hard brexit?

skybluetony176 · Mar 13, 2018

Grendel said:
Given that despite his protestations he isn’t and that people voted for him in the last election believing he was anti Brexit I wouldn’t think people who vote for Mr Corbyn think that deeply.

Remember article 50 would have been triggered the next day after the referendum (none of this parliamentary nonsense) if he and his comrade had their way.

That’s quite a sweeping statement. I didn’t vote for him believing he was anti brexit.

clint van damme · Mar 13, 2018

Grendel said:
Given that despite his protestations he isn’t and that people voted for him in the last election believing he was anti Brexit I wouldn’t think people who vote for Mr Corbyn think that deeply.

Remember article 50 would have been triggered the next day after the referendum (none of this parliamentary nonsense) if he and his comrade had their way.

so how deeply did the tories who voted for a remainer to lead Brexit think? Something that has been described a constitutional crisis by a man you admire, Peter Hitchens.

dutchman · Mar 13, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Like a hard brexit?

Hadn't noticed myself, thought they'd all just rolled over and played dead.

And if you think people will be voting for or against Brexit in a general election then you will have made the same mistake as Theresa May did when she called the last one.

skybluetony176 · Mar 13, 2018

dutchman said:
Hadn't noticed myself, thought they'd all just rolled over and played dead.

And if you think people will be voting for or against Brexit in a general election then you will have made the same mistake as Theresa May did when she called the last one.

I don’t really think anything for certain. Just wonder if this is an indication that the British public share Labour’s vision of brexit over the Tories vision of brexit. Like you say Teresa May made that mistake last time. Which again could mean that the British voter rejects Tories vision of brexit. Labour’s vision has now been clarified since the election. Maybe just maybe a sharp rise in the opinion polls reflects that.

dutchman · Mar 13, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
I don’t really think anything for certain. Just wonder if this is an indication that the British public share Labour’s vision of brexit over the Tories vision of brexit. Like you say Teresa May made that mistake last time. Which again could mean that the British voter rejects Tories vision of brexit. Labour’s vision has now been clarified since the election. Maybe just maybe a sharp rise in the opinion polls reflects that.

I suspect it has more to do with rising prices and falling incomes.

BackRoomRummermill · Mar 14, 2018

Shame JC could not join the rest of his own MP in condemning Russia eh ?

clint van damme · Mar 14, 2018

BackRoomRummermill said:
Shame JC could not join the rest of his own MP in condemning Russia eh ?

why?
Maybe he's waiting to see the evidence before jumping to conclusions, like he did with the Iraq war.

oakey · Mar 14, 2018

He probably has seen the evidence and refuses to believe it because there isn't an actual photo of Putin (holding his ID up to the CCTV and leaving his DNA all over the place) spraying the chemical in their faces dressed in a Russian flag.
Even then he would believe it was a Western alliance, capitalist, globalist cabal smear campaign and would suggest a nice cosy dialogue in which we all agree to be nicer in future.

clint van damme · Mar 14, 2018

oakey said:
He probably has seen the evidence and refuses to believe it because there isn't an actual photo of Putin (holding his ID up to the CCTV and leaving his DNA all over the place) spraying the chemical in their faces dressed in a Russian flag.
Even then he would believe it was a Western alliance, capitalist, globalist cabal smear campaign and would suggest a nice cosy dialogue in which we all agree to be nicer in future.

but that evidence hasn't been presented though has it? I appreciate it may seem cut and dry to a tabloid educated knee jerk reactionary like yourself but sometimes its better to get all the facts first.

The UK hasn't sent a sample of the offending substance to the OPCW yet so it would be wise to wait and see what that throws up. If it establishes Russian involvement then that's the time for recrimination.
No doubt you were frothing at the mouth and shouting at the tele when you heard the totally fabricated Corbyn Czech spy fairytale, you'd think some people would learn.

Grendel · Mar 14, 2018

clint van damme said:
why?
Maybe he's waiting to see the evidence before jumping to conclusions, like he did with the Iraq war.

Oh please. Corbyn only is against wars in the Middle East if they don’t involve the mass murder of the Jewish community

skybluetony176 · Mar 14, 2018

BackRoomRummermill said:
Shame JC could not join the rest of his own MP in condemning Russia eh ?

Shame you didn’t listen to what he actually said. My guess is you listened to some well selected sound bites on Twitter or Facebook that have tried to push an agenda, or maybe just someone’s opinion on either who haven’t actually heard anything of what he actually said but they posted a picture with it so as per Twitter/Facebook law if it has a picture with it it must be true. Listen to his commons reply in full. Them words again, in full. He condemned it in equal measure to anyone on the opposite side of the commmons, held TM to account on what she has said and done and basically said her response doesn’t go far enough and the investigation doesn’t go back far enough.

clint van damme · Mar 14, 2018

Grendel said:
Oh please. Corbyn only is against wars in the Middle East if they don’t involve the mass murder of the Jewish community

your missing the point, what happened in Salisbury hasn't been established, Corbyn is right to wait and see all the evidence.
We got dragged into the Iraq war on a lie, silly to repeat the mistake.
And if Corbyn wanted war with Israel then he'd be better off blaming the Russians because if war kicks off with Russias proxy Iran they're going to suffer more than most.

chiefdave · Mar 14, 2018

BackRoomRummermill said:
Shame JC could not join the rest of his own MP in condemning Russia eh ?

Really?

Corbyn said:
I could not understand a word of what the Foreign Secretary just said, but his behaviour demeans his office.

It is in moments such as these that Governments realise how vital strong diplomacy and political pressure are for our security and national interest. The measures we take have to be effective, not just for the long-term security of our citizens but to secure a world free of chemical weapons. Can the Prime Minister outline what discussions she has had with our partners in the European Union, NATO and the UN and what willingness there was to take multilateral action? While the poisonings of Sergei and Yulia Skripal are confronting us today, what efforts are being made by the Government to reassess the death of Mr Skripal’s wife, Liudmila, who died in 2012, and the deaths of his elder brother and son in the past two years?

We have a duty to speak out against the abuse of human rights by the Putin Government and their supporters, both at home and abroad, and I join many others in this House in paying tribute to the many campaigners in Russia for human rights, justice and democracy in that country. We must do more to address the dangers posed by the state’s relationship with unofficial mafia-like groups and corrupt oligarchs. We must also expose the flows of ill-gotten cash between the Russian state and billionaires who become stupendously rich by looting their country and subsequently use London to protect their wealth. We welcome the Prime Minister today clearly committing to support the Magnitsky amendments and implementing them as soon as possible, as Labour has long pushed for.

Yesterday Nikolai Glushkov, a Russian exile who was close friends with the late oligarch Boris Berezovsky, was found dead in his London home. What reassurances can the Prime Minister give to citizens of Russian origin living in Britain that they are safe here?

The events in Salisbury earlier this month are abominable and have been rightly condemned across the House. Britain has to build a consensus with our allies, and we support the Prime Minister in taking multilateral and firm action to ensure that we strengthen the chemical weapons convention and that this dreadful, appalling act, which we totally condemn, never happens again in our country.

skybluetony176 · Mar 14, 2018

Grendel said:
Oh please. Corbyn only is against wars in the Middle East if they don’t involve the mass murder of the Jewish community

What a moronic and completely inaccurate statement to make. Given it’s you that said it that’s hardly surprising though.

He wasn’t wrong on Iraq either.

Grendel · Mar 14, 2018

clint van damme said:
your missing the point, what happened in Salisbury hasn't been established, Corbyn is right to wait and see all the evidence.
We got dragged into the Iraq war on a lie, silly to repeat the mistake.
And if Corbyn wanted war with Israel then he'd be better off blaming the Russians because if war kicks off with Russias proxy Iran they're going to suffer more than most.

So why does John McDonnell accept the governments view?

clint van damme · Mar 14, 2018

I bet half the people on here going on about Corbyn don't remember why a public inquiry into Alexander Litvinenkos death was refused and why by guess who!

clint van damme · Mar 14, 2018

Grendel said:
So why does John McDonnell accept the governments view?

he's entitled to his opinion, Corbyn, more sensibly, is waiting for the evidence. There is an internationally recognised procedure for dealing with incidents like this, why not let it take its course?
It's people like some of those on this thread who hounded David Kelly to death, was he wrong or was he right all along about Blair?

skybluetony176 · Mar 14, 2018

clint van damme said:
I bet half the people on here going on about Corbyn don't remember why a public inquiry into Alexander Litvinenkos death was refused and why by guess who!

Theresa May? No couldn’t be? Could it? Alexander Litvinenko death: request for public inquiry denied

No wonder Corbyn thinks the governments response is limp wristed. Maybe at least we know who the woman was in the alleged Thrump video

skybluetony176 · Mar 14, 2018

Grendel said:
So why does John McDonnell accept the governments view?

Ha ha ha. John McDonnell has suddenly become Grendulls default position for political correctness. Magic.

BackRoomRummermill · Mar 14, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Shame you didn’t listen to what he actually said. My guess is you listened to some well selected sound bites on Twitter or Facebook that have tried to push an agenda, or maybe just someone’s opinion on either who haven’t actually heard anything of what he actually said but they posted a picture with it so as per Twitter/Facebook law if it has a picture with it it must be true. Listen to his commons reply in full. Them words again, in full. He condemned it in equal measure to anyone on the opposite side of the commmons, held TM to account on what she has said and done and basically said her response doesn’t go far enough and the investigation doesn’t go back far enough.

Saw the speech , made an opinion which is shared by Sky News and the BBC . Not even looked at twitter or Facebook

Are you suggesting everyone’s making it up ?

Grendel · Mar 14, 2018

clint van damme said:
he's entitled to his opinion, Corbyn, more sensibly, is waiting for the evidence. There is an internationally recognised procedure for dealing with incidents like this, why not let it take its course?
It's people like some of those on this thread who hounded David Kelly to death, was he wrong or was he right all along about Blair?

I see -so Corbyn condemned Russia and Putin for the murder of Litevenko or could that be someone else do you think?

BackRoomRummermill · Mar 14, 2018

The most embarrassing thing for tattie muncher JC even the SNP unamiounsly backed their arch enemy the Conservatives

clint van damme · Mar 14, 2018

Grendel said:
I see -so Corbyn condemned Russia and Putin for the murder of Litevenko or could that be someone else do you think?

No, I think it was Putin. I'd put money on this being Russia but there are a couple of unanswered questions. It shouldn't take a proper enquiry long to clear up if it's so cut and dry and we can accuse Russia safe in the knowledge that we haven't made another weapon of mass destruction sized fuck up.

Or do you prefer the half cocked, ranting and raving, making fools of ourselves on the international stage approach?

BackRoomRummermill · Mar 14, 2018

The whole point of using this particular Nerve agent by Russia was to let the UK know they can what they want anywhere and at any time , otherwise just shoot the guy and be done with it . Very clever by the Russians as they know JC response would be , they have tried to create division and failed

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