So how many rich sports.people playing now do we have?That doesn't make any sense, somebody making themselves very wealthy doesn't always mean they're employing somebody. How many footballers, for example, actually create employment.
If Juncker hadn't done the massive tax dodge with Luxembourg billions more in tax money would have been paid to the UKBut on a very primitive level if you eliminate tax avoidance you could spend on housing (including social) which would in turn create jobs.
I've held my hands up to be wrong before on here too, as have many others. Even when they are wrong? People are always going to have a range of opinions, just because you don't agree with them doesn't make them wrong.
Lol - Scotland are leaving the union, there will be a general election this year
surely if the countrys economy was destroyed within 3 years of labour being elected it would be the tories fault. They're still blaming Labour for our economic woes 7 years after the last labour government after all!
It was caused by bank deregulation. And those who you call experts that say Brexit is bad totally got it wrong.It always makes me laugh when people try and blame them for causing the 2008 recession.
There's still plenty of time for Scotland to leave, especially if things really go wrong with Brexit. The government's getting weaker and weaker, my prediction wad probably 6 months premature.
Scotland leave?
Sometimes I think you know what you are going on about. Others I know you don't have a clue. And this is one of them moments.
There's still plenty of time for Scotland to leave, especially if things really go wrong with Brexit.
Ah, you mean the way Catalonia decided to leave Spain but remain within the EU?
That went well, didn't it?
There is no "independence" within the EU.Not sure what that has to do with anything? What was the turnout for that referendum? Not sure what it has to do with the EU either. Unless you would like to see it intervene in domestic affairs?
It was caused by bank deregulation. And those who you call experts that say Brexit is bad totally got it wrong.
It could well happen, especially if Brexit goes very, very wrong. I'm not talking short-term but 10-15 years.
What your insight into the future?
No fence to get off.Massively disagree with that, but that's for another thread.
Good to see @Astute finally getting off the fence as well.
I am very cautious about what will happen in the UK in the very short term. But we won't have a clue until we see what sort of deal is made between the EU and UK.
You know that I am optimistic over that period of time. But I fear for the EU in that period of time. Germany will continue to get stronger. But what about the majority of the EU countries? They are piling on debt just to stay stationary. Jobs are not being created. People continue to leave the weaker countries. Even the stronger ones are not doing that well. The Euro might even be gone by then. All it will take is one seriously indebted country to go under to cause a catastrophe. That is why Juncker wants to be able to send in financial ministers to take over a countries fiscal policies. But I can't see it happening as many countries don't want to hand over their rights. And EU rules say that there must be a unanimous vote to change rules.
If it all goes badly wrong for the UK....and I can't see that happening.....it would be tough for a few years. But we have our own currency. This is the main advantage we would have over EU countries in the Euro that are not doing well. We would pull out of it within 3 to 5 years. Then we would get strong again. But the EU countries that rely on us with trade and receiving visitors would hit a brick wall if it happened. And they are tied to the Euro and how Germany is doing. So recovery would be problematic. They are struggling even in times of prosperity.
And how much of the EU can Germany keep going whilst they get back on their feet?
This is why I am expecting a decent trade deal. The UK would be cutting their nose off to spite their face. Some EU countries would be chopping their head off.
No fence to get off.
Or have you forgotten about Juncker saying about wanting a superstate with all new countries that join having to join the Euro. And that he wants there to be an EU army. He wants one person steering the ship EU enterprise. He wants to be able to send in people to take over fiscal policies of EU countries.
It isn't being on or off a fence. It is about something you don't seem to know much about. It is being neutral and being worried which way it is all going. And I am very worried about the direction that the EU seems to be going.
I don't know what yet?you don't know that yet, we haven't left. Time will tell.
I don't know what yet?
The so called experts quoted on here as saying Brexit will be bad were wrong in the 2001 recession. They were wrong about the banking fiasco in 2008. They were wrong about what would happen if we voted leave. Yet they get quoted on here as saying Brexit will be bad for us.
What some people need to learn is that they are the politics of the financial markets. They try to steer which way we go in as they stand to benefit. They were all for bank deregulation. And look where that got us.
Why do you try to twist the truth? You have just said you don't.Don't you ever wonder all of this 'they need us more than we need them' isn't being played out in negotiations?
Other countries also holiday in other European countries too BTW. We ended up staying a recommended hotel in Lanzarote a couple of years ago and I was probably the only English person staying there. There were no fry ups or pints in sight either.
Are you saying that I wanted anyone to cook the books?You were recently wanting it to get involved in the Spain issue? Do you not think countries like Greece and Italy should not be allowed to cook the books and impact upon others?
I'm more worried about the direction of the UK at the moment, to be honest.
I don't know what yet?
The so called experts quoted on here as saying Brexit will be bad were wrong in the 2001 recession. They were wrong about the banking fiasco in 2008. They were wrong about what would happen if we voted leave. Yet they get quoted on here as saying Brexit will be bad for us.
What some people need to learn is that they are the politics of the financial markets. They try to steer which way we go in as they stand to benefit. They were all for bank deregulation. And look where that got us.
Just like I don't call out those that say we will be poorer. You seem to ignore when I constantly say that we won't know until we know what sort of deal is on the table.I wonder why you've never called out politicians and posters on here for claiming how we'd all be richer from Brexit?
They said unemployment would immediately go up. Since then we have had record employment. They said that house prices would immediately crash. They continued to go up. They said that we would immediately go into recession. We have had continued growth.you don't know that those saying Brexit will be bad are wrong yet, time will tell either way.
Maybe they will want us to pay for it as part of our leaving settlementJust in case anyone didn't realise, here's part of the E.U. border fence which rivals any dreams Trump may come up with.
It consists of spotlights, watchtowers, TV cameras, motion and sound detectors and a road through the middle of the E.U side for patrols etc.
It's amazing this E.U. triple fence has not been in the news more.
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They said unemployment would immediately go up. Since then we have had record employment. They said that house prices would immediately crash. They continued to go up. They said that we would immediately go into recession. We have had continued growth.
Or have we forgotten all of that?
Just in case anyone didn't realise, here's part of the E.U. border fence which rivals any dreams Trump may come up with.
It consists of spotlights, watchtowers, TV cameras, motion and sound detectors and a road through the middle of the E.U side for patrols etc.
It's amazing this E.U. triple fence has not been in the news more.
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They said it would happen if we voted leave. They said it would happen straight away. It didn't.we haven't left.
And I linked an article explaining why the employment figures aren't all they're cracked up to be a couple of pages ago and yes, there is continued growth but we are miles behind other G7 countries.
They said it would happen if we voted leave. They said it would happen straight away. It didn't.
I do need to say this border is one of two the E.U has with Africa.
It why I voted to leave in the referendum. Its gone far beyond a trading block. We should of had a vote on it years ago. It seems it just kept on being put off and put off until people treated the EU as a norm and voted that way.
Its not the democracy we are use to in the UK. We deserve better.
It why I voted to leave in the referendum. Its gone far beyond a trading block. We should of had a vote on it years ago. It seems it just kept on being put off and put off until people treated the EU as a norm and voted that way.
Its not the democracy we are use to in the UK. We deserve better.
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