Oh Jeremy Corbyn

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Red Len Mccloskey says the Labour Party is dead and the left need to mobilise 😂

With the only certainty being that the United Kingdom will be under tory rule for decades.

Labour aren't fit for purpose these days, they really need to get their shit in order because unnopposed rule is not a good place for Britain to be in
 
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With the only certainty being that the United Kingdom will be under tory rule for decades.

Labour aren't fit for purpose these days, they really need to get their shit in order because unnopposed rule is not a good place for Britain to be in


they will cause the split of the UK the Labour Party, once the back bone of Scotland now the laughing stock behind fringe party’s , those Westminster seats lost forever and Blair and Corbyn to blame , SNP are now the only against Tory in Scotland

Jeremy the King pin of the Islington leftie club with Dianne Abbott does not cut it with the Scottish people and never will , maybe Starmer could help take SNP seats
 

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they will cause the split of the UK the Labour Party, once the back bone of Scotland now the laughing stock behind fringe party’s , those Westminster seats lost forever and Blair and Corbyn to blame , SNP are now the only against Tory in Scotland

Jeremy the King pin of the Islington leftie club with Dianne Abbott does not cut it with the Scottish people and never will , maybe Starmer could help take SNP seats
Scottish people voted Labour in their droves when it was a left wing social democrat party. When it abandoned that under New Labour the SNP came in and filled the gap with some of the policies they adopted that had been dropped in England, e.g. No tuition fees.
 

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they will cause the split of the UK the Labour Party, once the back bone of Scotland now the laughing stock behind fringe party’s , those Westminster seats lost forever and Blair and Corbyn to blame , SNP are now the only against Tory in Scotland
Hahahaha! Yeah and it’s got nothing to do with Johnson and the Tories, fucking hell.
 

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Both associate Jewish community with wealth and power
This is where I think it stems from and why they can’t see it. They don’t associate themselves with the other types of antisemitism so think they aren’t, if that makes sense.
 

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Scottish people voted Labour in their droves when it was a left wing social democrat party. When it abandoned that under New Labour the SNP came in and filled the gap with some of the policies they adopted that had been dropped in England, e.g. No tuition fees.
exactly this , this why the SNP surged because of New Labour , not because of the Torys
 

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exactly this , this why the SNP surged because of New Labour , not because of the Torys
Ok, you accept that to be true. So, Corbyn's Labour was an attempt to bring the party back to being a left wing social democrat party of the sort that the Scottish people voted for. Correct?
 

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Been reading through the report, which is pretty heavy going tbh.

Can someone clarify how Starmer suspending Corbyn for saying:
One antisemite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media. That combination hurt Jewish people and must never be repeated.
is consistent with the findings in the EHRC report?
Article 10 will protect Labour Party members who, for example, make legitimate7 criticisms of the Israeli government, or express their opinions on internal Party matters, such as the scale of antisemitism within the Party, based on their own experience and within the law. It does not protect criticism of Israel that is antisemitic.
 

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Ok, you accept that to be true. So, Corbyn's Labour was an attempt to bring the party back to being a left wing social democrat party of the sort that the Scottish people voted for. Correct?
yes but he was seen in Scotland where I live and work with ex Labour supporters as I said in the reply earlier the Islington left , to London centric for Scotland and accelerated support toward the SNP and as such independence status as we stand - his failure to connect and a pathetic Scottish Labour leader who was more interested in being on TV which he failed to police

even the SNP took the piss out of him and Abbot , they were seen as more clowns than Boris

Labour will never recover in Scotland those 50 seats lost to SNP will keep them out of Government for a long time, if they re took Scotland they will be the next Government

Scotland has the most unionised workforce in the uk , they feel abandoned by Labour

so I will say it again for Sick Boy it’s Labours fault why we have a potential break up of UK
 
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It’s hard to gauge if the way Starmer handled it will be a negative or a positive on those figures.
There's a YouGov poll on if Starmer was right to suspend Corbyn. The headline figure is 58% say yes. However if you drill down into the split by party affiliation its 80% among Conservative voters and drops to 41% among Labour voters.

The key will of course be can he convert Conservative voters to Labour.
 
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There's a YouGov poll on if Starmer was right to suspend Corbyn. The headline figure is 58% say yes. However if you drill down into the split by party affiliation its 80% among Conservative voters and drops to 41% among Labour voters.

The key will of course be can he convert Conservative voters to Labour.
Labour voters will get over it, they aren’t the ones he needs to convince
 

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With the only certainty being that the United Kingdom will be under tory rule for decades.

Labour aren't fit for purpose these days, they really need to get their shit in order because unnopposed rule is not a good place for Britain to be in
Mate. Maaaate. Come on. Have you seen who is running the country? This attack line looks a little silly now.

As I said at the GE, Labour didn’t kick out anyone with an ounce of competence and common sense, they just left them to rot in the back benches.

You do make yourself look silly denouncing the former head of the CPS as useless while stanning for the likes of failed journalist Boris Johnson and internet con man Grant Schapps.

Come on now. Be sensible.
 

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yes but he was seen in Scotland where I live and work with ex Labour supporters as I said in the reply earlier the Islington left , to London centric for Scotland and accelerated support toward the SNP and as such independence status as we stand - his failure to connect and a pathetic Scottish Labour leader who was more interested in being on TV which he failed to police

even the SNP took the piss out of him and Abbot , they were seen as more clowns than Boris

Labour will never recover in Scotland those 50 seats lost to SNP will keep them out of Government for a long time, if they re took Scotland they will be the next Government

Scotland has the most unionised workforce in the uk , they feel abandoned by Labour

so I will say it again for Sick Boy it’s Labours fault why we have a potential break up of UK
Is the real issue not more that most former Scottish Labour voters thought that the party would back independence if it came down to it and the Better Together campaign sent them tanking? When you look at SNP social media the comments on Corbyn were simultaneously 'he's a red Tory' and 'he's a communist loony leftie'. Admittedly I haven't lived up there for a while but they've been fucked since the indyref
 
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No because the SNP were voted in when Labour were in power in 2007 on the back of Indy vote promise ! hahaha fucking he’ll get your facts correct
In that time there’s been a referendum that came back to stay in the UK.
Calls for independence once again intensified since the the Brexit vote and especially since Johnson got into power. But yeah...it’s all the fault of Labour 13 years ago...and nothing to do with the Tories...when were Labour last in government?
Oh yeah...over 10 years ago.
 
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Regardless of your view on whether that's right or wrong, that's a brave call...
Right call. If the left of the party could hold their shit together for five minutes without shitting the bed it wouldn’t be needed.

So depressing watching them step on rake after rake and smack themselves in the face.

My kingdom for a serious left wing politician. As much shit as I give BSB for stanning Bernie he is light years ahead of Corbyn as a politician.
 
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Regardless of your view on whether that's right or wrong, that's a brave call...
Not sure its that brave. Corbyn has regularly voted against he whip hasn't he? Seems a rather convenient way to avoid any problems if and when he votes against Starmers wishes. The brave call would have been to kick him out of the party.
 

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Not sure its that brave. Corbyn has regularly voted against he whip hasn't he? Seems a rather convenient way to avoid any problems if and when he votes against Starmers wishes. The brave call would have been to kick him out of the party.
To be honest - why did they even admit him back into the party then?
They did it because procedurally they have dropped a bollock. And it’s probably the same with this.

I thought the whole point of the EHRC recommendations was that it was supposed to be an independent process, and not politically motivated. Starmer isn’t being brave - if he thinks Corbyn is truly an antisemite then expel him and provide evidence to back it up.