fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Have you read the report? The leader of the party is not supposed to interfere in dealing with complaints of AS. The fact he got involved to try and root it out is held against him in the report.
Sorry there was vile AS by members of the party and he did fuck all to try and rectify it and yes that is something he can legitimately be held accountable for as he was the leader.
So what if there tories are grubby as fuck and up to their knees in islamophobia? That can not be used to justify the piss poor response to AS with the Labour Party.
OK - so why in the report does it say that the process improved under Corbyn’s leadership?
That doesn’t make it better at all and levelling failure here is justified, but they were shambolic before 2015 and especially under the remit of Ian McNicol.
Have you read the report? The leader of the party is not supposed to interfere in dealing with complaints of AS. The fact he got involved to try and root it out is held against him in the report.
How is it a FFS? Basic maths tells you that the number of upheld complaints against Lab members alone was less that 0.05% - is that what you call institutional???Weaponised? FFS.
No, it isn't. tbh, every party should welcome investigations into how they represent themselves and others, and welcome the opportunity to fix things when they go wrong.I take it there will be a mass Islamophobia investigation that will hound the Conservatives and that Johnson will be forced to apologise every 5 minutes for not condemning the 40% of his party who don’t want a Muslim leader? Corbyn should piss off but don’t pretend for a minute it’s an equal fight
How is it a FFS? Basic maths tells you that the number of upheld complaints against Lab members alone was less that 0.05% - is that what you call institutional???
No, it isn't. tbh, every party should welcome investigations into how they represent themselves and others, and welcome the opportunity to fix things when they go wrong.
There's nothing wrong in any of that.
Have to be effective in playing the politics when accusations come up, however. You have to be seen to be strong, for better or worse, around here.
I am stating that the extent and the number of instances is exaggerated - not that the problem does not exist. Your response implies that it’s institutional which is why I challenged it.I never mentioned 'institutional'. I reacted to "weaponised", a watchword for fake, made up, exaggerated.
That attitude is part of the problem. Corbyn failed electorally and he failed the party on AS. Regardless of the small percentage, he and his team were proved to have mishandled, interfered cases. Shown discrimination and harassed.
Weaponised, my arse.
I am stating that the extent and the number of instances is exaggerated - not that the problem does not exist. Your response implies that it’s institutional which is why I challenged it.
So tell me why Starmer hasn’t gone the same zero tolerance on Reeves or Reed for example, but happy to act against Long-Bailey? That’s not consistent leadership is it, and no different in it’s failing than what you rightly castigate Corbyn for.
As if have always said, the issue of AS is complex. We have AS tropes ingrained into our society, popular culture and even films, music and TV. It takes education and explanation to make people aware of this. Then there is the whole issue over Israel/Palestine.
OK then - so if we put that one to aside for a second you are comparing a guy who rolled out some pretty basic AS tropes a few days after RLB being disciplined by Starmer for her promotion of the article by Maxine Peake.See all your complaints of weaponisation ring kinda hollow when you willfully ignore the Nancy Astor context compared to say making statements about people living now or hanging around with actual antisemites.
So is Angela Rayner? Is he going to suspend his deputy?I see, not surprisingly, that Zarah Sultana is on a list CAAS have made official complaints against along with usual suspects like Richard Burgon and Diane Abbott.
So is Angela Rayner? Is he going to suspend his deputy?
See all your complaints of weaponisation ring kinda hollow when you willfully ignore the Nancy Astor context compared to say making statements about people living now or hanging around with actual antisemites.
In all this, I've never actually seen any action or read any statement from anyone in the Labour Party that could be classed anti-semite. Seen loads of stuff that's anti-Israeli, of course, and I'm sure there must be something out there.
and you're being very disingenuous if you don't admit that if one of Corbyns cronies had done what Reeves did they wouldn't have been pelted with accusations of antisemitism. So either there's context, or there's not.
No they wouldn't as they would understand the context
Last thing I am saying is it's mental that some folk think that "it was dramatically overstated for political reasons" is in anyway an acceptable reply.
As long as no one else acts like a tit there will be no more suspensions etc.
No they wouldn't as they would understand the context
Last thing I am saying is it's mental that some folk think that "it was dramatically overstated for political reasons" is in anyway an acceptable reply.
As long as no one else acts like a tit there will be no more suspensions etc.
This is the long and the short of it. We can go all round the houses about individual cases and what is and isn’t AS, but if you’re politically dumb enough to release that statement on the day the report is released you’ve only got yourself to blame.
Just heard Kerry Anne Mendoza ranting on R4 as “a representative of the Labour left”. Let’s just say with representatives like that who needs a right wing conspiracy.
Who knows. Perhaps he should.
Really? Naz Shah? Ken livingstone is a known Jew hater and of course a good friend of Mr Corbyn.
Also of course it’s pretty random Zara Sultana singles out the Israeli prime minister as someone she would like to murder but not say a despot like Chavez or Putin or a mad dog like the dictators in SSA
Could you point to any statements that are anti-Semitic?
Livingstone has a history of them going back to the GLC days when he said Jews should not be in the Labour party, hes's praised Hitler and he once said to a Jewish journalist he should be in a concentration camp - its hardly the language of tolerance. Shah had to apologise for anti semetic slurs (she was backed by Mr Livingstone) as had Sultana
Could you point to any statements that are anti-Semitic, other than anti-Israeli? Genuine ask.
Shah and Sultana had to apologise for anti-Israeli and, more generally outrageously bad, views - not anti-Semitism.
Would have to take your word on Livingstone.
But at the moment the evidence does seem rather lacking.
Naz Shah tweeted a picture of the U.S. with Israel super-imposed on it saying "problem solved" or something to that effect I think.
For what it's worth I like Jezza and don't think he's anti-Semitic personally. The majority of what he said was fine. One paragraph of it was definitely not. You can't minimise these things and deflect blame, own them and talk about how you're going to put it right.
Well he may be right but now is not the timeA big issue was Corbyn saying the problem was “dramatically overstated for political reasons” by opponents and the media. That's just wrong.
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