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Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #36
pusbccfc said:
Not the same level of player, no. However we still sold Maddison too cheap.
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We made about £8m off the Maddison sale. How many third division teams have ever bought in that cash?
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #37
pusbccfc said:
Maybe so, but we could have held out for 3x the amount we sold him for. Everyone knew he was a top level player. We have made what, 6 million from him? Nothing for one of the best players in the Premier Legaue. For me, O'Hare should go for significantly more in the current market. When you consider Armstrong went to Southampton for £15m.
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He’s not one of the best players in the Premier League. Premier League and international potential here sure. I think we did pretty well out of it, must be close to £5-6m which relative to the level we were was money other clubs wouldn’t have access to and helped us get promoted.
 
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ccfc1234

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #38
SlowerThanPlatt said:
He’s not one of the best players in the Premier League. Premier League and international potential here sure. I think we did pretty well out of it, must be close to £5-6m which relative to the level we were was money other clubs wouldn’t have access to and helped us get promoted.
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One of the best in the league, perhaps not but Maddison is a top player at that level and has been part of the reason Leicester have been so close to the top 4 in the last 2 seasons. Retrospectively the deal was average but at the time needed and was a means to an end. However, were not in league 1 any more and we won't need a middle club (Norwich) to showcase the talents of our players and therefore if Callum can add consistant end product, we should be looking at the sums Norwich sold Maddison for and not selling ourselves short. A contract extension with a 20 million release clause would make sense and protect the value our most saleable asset.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #39
ccfc1234 said:
One of the best in the league, perhaps not but Maddison is a top player at that level and has been part of the reason Leicester have been so close to the top 4 in the last 2 seasons. Retrospectively the deal was average but at the time needed and was a means to an end. However, were not in league 1 any more and we won't need a middle club (Norwich) to showcase the talents of our players and therefore if Callum can add consistant end product, we should be looking at the sums Norwich sold Maddison for and not selling ourselves short. A contract extension with a 20 million release clause would make sense and protect the value our most saleable asset.
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He’d be a fool to sign a contract like that - no one is going to pay £20m for him. Blues only got £22m for Bellingham!
 

slowpoke

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #40
He won’t and a contract like that would never be offered by this lot anyway,
 

ccfc1234

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #41
SlowerThanPlatt said:
He’d be a fool to sign a contract like that - no one is going to pay £20m for him. Blues only got £22m for Bellingham!
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Bellingham was 16 and I suspect there is a large sell on clause inserted also.
Norwich just got 30 million plus add ons for buendia. Look at the size of release clauses in Spain and you might appriciate 20 million is not ridiclous. Also we could still sell for 12 million if we wanted too it's just we would have to sell at the release clause price.

Here is some of the ridiclous numbers in the Spanish game.

SportMob – Highest Release Clauses in Football History

In this article we take a look at some of the highest release clauses in the history of football.
sportmob.com
 

Winny the Bish

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #42
At what point do we start panicking that O'Hare and Hamer have less than two years to go on their contracts?
 

SBAndy

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #43
skyblue93 said:
At what point do we start panicking that O'Hare and Hamer have less than two years to go on their contracts?
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January.
 
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block16

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #44
If we can bring in 15 million between Hamer and O'Hare it's great business. We need to start shifting players for that sort of money to really kick on the Robins project
 
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #45
block16 said:
If we can bring in 15 million between Hamer and O'Hare it's great business. We need to start shifting players for that sort of money to really kick on the Robins project
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Just Injoy the fact they both play for the mighty Sky Blues.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #46
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Just Injoy the fact they both play for the mighty Sky Blues.
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Never had you down as a Seppalla fan
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #47
pusbccfc said:
Maybe so, but we could have held out for 3x the amount we sold him for. Everyone knew he was a top level player. We have made what, 6 million from him? Nothing for one of the best players in the Premier Legaue. For me, O'Hare should go for significantly more in the current market. When you consider Armstrong went to Southampton for £15m.
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Don't be ridiculous. We sold an 18 year old largely unproven player for what turned out to be about 8 million and we were a third tier team.

For every maddison there's a ben stevenson or a bayliss (and many said these guys were going to be better players). He could've went the way of stevenson and then we would've been laughing at 3m in the bank up front.

It was a good bit of business at the time and it was necessary for the survival of our club. Hindsight is 20:20
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #48
Grendel said:
Never had you down as a Seppalla fan
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #49
robbiekeane said:
Don't be ridiculous. We sold an 18 year old largely unproven player for what turned out to be about 8 million and we were a third tier team.

For every maddison there's a ben stevenson or a bayliss (and many said these guys were going to be better players). He could've went the way of stevenson and then we would've been laughing at 3m in the bank up front.

It was a good bit of business at the time and it was necessary for the survival of our club. Hindsight is 20:20
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Not sure about that. I think it was obvious Maddison even at that age was a much better prospect than Stevenson or Bayliss.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #50
Liquid Gold said:
We made about £8m off the Maddison sale. How many third division teams have ever bought in that cash?
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Did we? I thought it was £3m up front an 15% sell on?
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #51
skyblue93 said:
At what point do we start panicking that O'Hare and Hamer have less than two years to go on their contracts?
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In a few months they are half way through their contracts. Negotiations I'm sure are well under way. I'd be really surprised if their not.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #52
shmmeee said:
Did we? I thought it was £3m up front an 15% sell on?
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then we got all the sell ons. Delle Alli went from MK straight to Spurs and they got £5m up front with no sell on.

We made a better deal.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #53
Deleted member 9744 said:
Not sure about that. I think it was obvious Maddison even at that age was a much better prospect than Stevenson or Bayliss.
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Yeah, I suppose it’s normal for football fans to compare, no middle ground, you MUST choose who’s better. Hamer v Walsh last season
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #54
When Maddison came back on loan. Most were happy we sold him for what we did. As he didn't pull up trees and we were on a downward spiral as a team.

I had a thread few a years ago. Maddison sell on clause when he just started to do well in championshio.. Alot laughed at initially that he would be sold anywhere near 24 million or whatever it was. At the therefore fee in championshio.
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #55
shmmeee said:
Did we? I thought it was £3m up front an 15% sell on?
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Didn’t someone at the club say, can't remember who, the Maddison deal would bring in revenue for the club for a long time, or words to that effect.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #56
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Didn’t someone at the club say, can't remember who, the Maddison deal would bring in revenue for the club for a long time, or words to that effect.
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Yeah but people at the club say a lot of shit about the finances and it’s rarely true.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #57
shmmeee said:
Did we? I thought it was £3m up front an 15% sell on?
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Yeh maybe its not 8m yet, think we were hoping for a sale this summer

- 3m up front
- 15% of the 22m profit from the fee = 3.3m

That's 6.6m plus any other add ons there might be (winning the fa cup, etc)
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #58
Liquid Gold said:
Delle Alli went from MK straight to Spurs and they got £5m up front with no sell on.
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Ahem.

Dele Alli transfer to Tottenham creates MK Dons 'legacy'

Dele Alli's £5m move from MK Dons to Tottenham will enable the club to produce more stars, says boss Karl Robinson.
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The deal for Alli also features add-ons, which include money for international appearances and a sell-on clause.
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #59
If he could get 10 goals and 10 assists a season, he’d be a Premier League player. Very classy on the ball and very good off the ball too!

We’ve got a v good player who will grow with us (hopefully).
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #60
shmmeee said:
Yeah but people at the club say a lot of shit about the finances and it’s rarely true.
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It was Chris Anderson and it was correct
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #61
Deleted member 5849 said:
Ahem.

Dele Alli transfer to Tottenham creates MK Dons 'legacy'

Dele Alli's £5m move from MK Dons to Tottenham will enable the club to produce more stars, says boss Karl Robinson.
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Fair enough
 
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Dog

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #62
I'm not too bothered about O'Hare not scoring lots of goals.

The teams in this division now know what he is capable of. Them trying to stop him gives the other players space. It gives them bookings. Red cards will follow. They will sit back more instead of attacking most of the time. What we do need is a player or two to take advantage and start scoring some goals. We are no longer seen as an easy 3 points.
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #63
block16 said:
If we can bring in 15 million between Hamer and O'Hare it's great business. We need to start shifting players for that sort of money to really kick on the Robins project
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Realistically we got them both for this year. And this year only.
In whatever scenario:
1) We get relegated they leave.
2) If we have a cracking season they will be at the heart of it they will leave.
3) They don't sign a new contract they will be sold a year left.
4) They sign a new contract...they will still leave.

There is no loyalty in football.

They are both around 23 years of age.

They both got 2 big contracts ahead of them in their careers. Which will no doubt be x times current salary.

Enjoy them whilst we got them. And your right we get the right money for them it should improve the squad as a whole..and even the infrastructure etc at the club.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #64
Very few if any clubs will be even looking at Hamer he’s not anything special at this level - ok but not stand out
 
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Bugsy

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #65
Grendel said:
Very few if any clubs will be even looking at Hamer he’s not anything special at this level - ok but not stand out
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He's delivery and set pieces are quite special thou. He has got a few things to improve but has the right attitude and capabilities to succeed higher if he wants it...... PUSB
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #66
Grendel said:
Very few if any clubs will be even looking at Hamer he’s not anything special at this level - ok but not stand out
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Says the great talent spotter
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #67
Londonccfcfan said:
Realistically we got them both for this year. And this year only.
In whatever scenario:
1) We get relegated they leave.
2) If we have a cracking season they will be at the heart of it they will leave.
3) They don't sign a new contract they will be sold a year left.
4) They sign a new contract...they will still leave.

There is no loyalty in football.

They are both around 23 years of age.

They both got 2 big contracts ahead of them in their careers. Which will no doubt be x times current salary.

Enjoy them whilst we got them. And your right we get the right money for them it should improve the squad as a whole..and even the infrastructure etc at the club.
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That's all really pragmatic ,but the churn is well,a pain Would be lovely to Go the journey with some of them.
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #68
Hamer is great talent at this level. Imo he has it all. Just my opinion.

Great shot, eye for goal, combative, 2 good feet , good passing range. His nut meg yesterday....but for save would have been a great goal.

For me quickest thinker easily at the club. Doesn't always work out for him.

Some of his passing is Stand out.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #69
Londonccfcfan said:
Says the great talent spotter
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I wish you were somewhere else you’d have spent £7 million on Hamer and £5m on Dabo

Fankaty Dabo

He must be the best signing of the last 5 years and now worth several million. If we hold on to him for the rest of the season we will finish top 10.
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #70
Grendel said:
I wish you were somewhere else you’d have spent £7 million on Hamer and £5m on Dabo

Fankaty Dabo

He must be the best signing of the last 5 years and now worth several million. If we hold on to him for the rest of the season we will finish top 10.
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
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Yes double that. What's a few million.
 
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