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Nick

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #71
Grendel said:
If there’s any truth it is likely to be some staged administration
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Exactly, they won't just be saying "Ah shucks, better luck next time" and giving everything up.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #72
Grendel said:
If there’s any truth it is likely to be some staged administration
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Richardson will have protected his interest no doubt

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wingy

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #73
Grendel said:
If there’s any truth it is likely to be some staged administration
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Yes just needs to be their own nominated party.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #74
fernandopartridge said:
Richardson will have protected his interest no doubt

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I can’t believe they aren’t looking at legal ways to not pay the investor bonds and manage the administration back through to Richardson Maltese companies so they retain the lease
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #75
Nick said:
Exactly, they won't just be saying "Ah shucks, better luck next time" and giving everything up.
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You’re right-it’ll be ‘Ah Shugs’
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #76
hill83 said:
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So glad you’re back
 
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shepardo01

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #77
Grendel said:
If there’s any truth it is likely to be some staged administration
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Said this a few weeks back, - asked the question whether there is/are any sanctions for going into administration as there are within the EFL? (points deductions etc) I don't believe there are, so it could (could it??) be a way of clearing debt, writing off bonds etc.... ??

Could they end up better off if they do!!????? (Genuine question!)
 
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oldfiver

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #78
fatso said:
Maybe he's their accountant!
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Usually last to know as still working on 2 years ago accounts
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #79
Granty said:
‘Weird obsession for someone who doesn’t post on here’ am I right? @Liquid Gold or are you too busy getting high all the time to dig out bsb like you did Grendel.
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Firing up the weird accounts are we?

Not even waiting 25 messages to turn it on is impressive.
 
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napolimp

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #80
Grendel said:
First few words may be correct the rest is nonsense
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Grendel said:
If there’s any truth it is likely to be some staged administration
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You changed your tune.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #81
napolimp said:
You changed your tune.
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er no I didn’t second paragraph up to bond money
 
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napolimp

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #82
Grendel said:
er no I didn’t second paragraph up to bond money
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No idea what you're trying to say, without punctuation. Looks like nonsense.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #83
But even in a staged admin - surely they run the risk of someone like SISU offering say 15p in the £ and paying more than Richardson?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #84
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
But even in a staged admin - surely they run the risk of someone like SISU offering say 15p in the £ and paying more than Richardson?
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Isn't that the gamble that people took with "our" admin back in the day though?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #85
Grendel said:
I can’t believe they aren’t looking at legal ways to not pay the investor bonds and manage the administration back through to Richardson Maltese companies so they retain the lease
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In an administration fixed charges take precedent over a floating charge I think. I wouldn't be surprised if Richardson's debt is precedent over the bond
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #86
fernandopartridge said:
In an administration fixed charges take precedent over a floating charge I think. I wouldn't be surprised if Richardson's debt is precedent over the bond
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Much like SISU's was?

 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #87
fernandopartridge said:
In an administration fixed charges take precedent over a floating charge I think. I wouldn't be surprised if Richardson's debt is precedent over the bond
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It’s the wording in the lease regarding liquidation of the company and what then happens to that lease that I’ve never understood
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #88
Grendel said:
It’s the wording in the lease regarding liquidation of the company and what then happens to that lease that I’ve never understood
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So is it possible Wasps goes into admin. The lease reverts to the council and then Richardson does another slimy deal to buy it back at a low price, and Wasps Holdings are bought back for 1p in the £?
 

MalcSB

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #89
shepardo01 said:
Said this a few weeks back, - asked the question whether there is/are any sanctions for going into administration as there are within the EFL? (points deductions etc) I don't believe there are, so it could (could it??) be a way of clearing debt, writing off bonds etc.... ??

Could they end up better off if they do!!????? (Genuine question!)
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If there is no relegation, a points deduction would have no real effect. Demotion as per Saracens would.
 

Warwickhunt

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #90
steve cooper said:
It depends what level of employee, but it's not uncommon for employees to have inside info on their company.
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true! when i used to work i was in the IT department and the amount of information i got was amazing . lot of the times before senior management much to their annoyance
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #91
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
So is it possible Wasps goes into admin. The lease reverts to the council and then Richardson does another slimy deal to buy it back at a low price, and Wasps Holdings are bought back for 1p in the £?
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To be honest, I am sure there are plenty of scenarios we would have no idea about.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #92
Nick said:
To be honest, I am sure there are plenty of scenarios we would have no idea about.
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in the event of insolvency here is the wording

Club aims to raise £35m from bond

Fantastic News - http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/wasps-rfc-looks-raise-35million-9121703 Copy and Paste Article. No mention of it paying Richardson back too? The Richardson bit is there hidden as 'refinancing shareholder loans' I believe Sounds better than Richardsons...
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
 

Warwickhunt

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #93
just coincidence that SISU announce that they are listening out for offers then i suppose? Slimy buggers dont do nothing unless thy can exploit someone.
 
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Ccfcsj

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #94
Warwickhunt said:
true! when i used to work i was in the IT department and the amount of information i got was amazing . lot of the times before senior management much to their annoyance
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This is very true. Having worked in IT for well over 30 years, we were always one of the first to know as sorting out the infrastructure etc was one of the hardest jobs (apart from not telling your colleagues).

Did have it once when we were told and had to keep it quiet, then had to attend the meeting when the staff were told the site was closing - very hard as we already knew and were being kept on at another site
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #95
Tbf I was told this yesterday exactly as stated but didnt want to post it, in Palma and didnt want to have put up with the shit from everyone.
Have a good day.
PUSB.
 
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shepardo01

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #96
letsallsingtogether said:
Tbf I was told this yesterday exactly as stated but didnt want to post it, in Palma and didnt want to have put up with the shit from everyone.
Have a good day.
PUSB.
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You in a cruise too mate!?... was there a few days back!... like I said, splashed out a small fortune for an Internet package (pop corn is free though!) to keep up with all this!!.... keep the info coming everyone! (Docked in Lisbon today!)
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #97
If it was the case, when would it show on Companies House? (One for the accountants).
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #98
shepardo01 said:
You in a cruise too mate!?... was there a few days back!... like I said, splashed out a small fortune for an Internet package (pop corn is free though!) to keep up with all this!!.... keep the info coming everyone! (Docked in Lisbon today!)
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No drove down from my appartment in Alcudia.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #99
Grendel said:
in the event of insolvency here is the wording

Club aims to raise £35m from bond

Fantastic News - http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/wasps-rfc-looks-raise-35million-9121703 Copy and Paste Article. No mention of it paying Richardson back too? The Richardson bit is there hidden as 'refinancing shareholder loans' I believe Sounds better than Richardsons...
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
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So CCFC as a sub leaseholder would have a right to contest forfeiture of the lease back to CCC, as would Wasps RFC and the bondholders (who would be looking for as much if their money back as possible).
 

zuni

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #100
Latest ftom wasps fan ...they are going for voluntary cva? Whatever that is...would allow them to wipe debt but keep trading, seems abit unethical but I'm not clever enough to understand it all.

Think he said a vote required to accept lower value on share or get nothing...gawd knows why they wouldn't accept it so wasps keep everything it seems.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #101
zuni said:
Latest ftom wasps fan ...they are going for voluntary cva? Whatever that is...would allow them to wipe debt but keep trading, seems abit unethical but I'm not clever enough to understand it all.

Think he said a vote required to accept lower value on share or get nothing...gawd knows why they wouldn't accept it so wasps keep everything it seems.
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Surely it takes someone to say - you’re offering me 15m but the lease is worth 35m….. no way would they not sell
 
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skyblu3sk

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #102

Company Voluntary Arrangements

An alternative to liquidation - reschedule payment to creditors to recover from insolvency
www.gov.uk
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #103
Doesn't it have to be agreed? If I remember, ACL rejected the CCFC one?
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #104
zuni said:
Latest ftom wasps fan ...they are going for voluntary cva? Whatever that is...would allow them to wipe debt but keep trading, seems abit unethical but I'm not clever enough to understand it all.

Think he said a vote required to accept lower value on share or get nothing...gawd knows why they wouldn't accept it so wasps keep everything it seems.
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The bondholders are more likely to want to invoke the security on the arena and all wasps companies. There may be little value in the companies, but the arena does have some significant value.
 

SHUNT31

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #105
Nick said:
Doesn't it have to be agreed? If I remember, ACL rejected the CCFC one?
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Need 75% of debt value to agree I believe.


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