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David O'Day

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #211
jordan210 said:
Im not sticking up for Dr Claire but clearly a very clever person with an impressive CV, but is allowed to be criticised in her role.

Her appointment allways makes me think of Money ball and trying to win games with stats and player insights.
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but player stats and insights fall under Dean Austin's remit
 

jordan210

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #212
chiefdave said:
Why are people so desperate for no criticism to be levelled at her? Not by any means saying if she wasn't here we'd be flying and in the play off places but I don't see why its viewed as unacceptable to ask questions of her role because she's a woman.

We've been told part of her role is implementing a new coaching structure. That structure has been heavily criticised both in terms of the structure and the personal recruited. What makes her above reproach when she was involved in changes many see as an abject failure.

Similarly we've been told she's involved in player recruitment to ensure we bring in the 'right' type of player. There's been a lot of criticism of the recruitment, and all sorts of anger directed at the recruitment team for wasting millions but again we can't question her role in it? One thing that has been specifically criticised with some of our signings is their attitude, that's specifically a thing this role is supposed to have improved.

Not saying she's to blame or bad at her job but it baffles me that for some reason people are getting upset that questions are being asked.
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It feels like high level micro managing. Hard for any established coach to work under.
 

MalcSB

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #213
chiefdave said:
Why are people so desperate for no criticism to be levelled at her? Not by any means saying if she wasn't here we'd be flying and in the play off places but I don't see why its viewed as unacceptable to ask questions of her role because she's a woman.

We've been told part of her role is implementing a new coaching structure. That structure has been heavily criticised both in terms of the structure and the personal recruited. What makes her above reproach when she was involved in changes many see as an abject failure.

Similarly we've been told she's involved in player recruitment to ensure we bring in the 'right' type of player. There's been a lot of criticism of the recruitment, and all sorts of anger directed at the recruitment team for wasting millions but again we can't question her role in it? One thing that has been specifically criticised with some of our signings is their attitude, that's specifically a thing this role is supposed to have improved.

Not saying she's to blame or bad at her job but it baffles me that for some reason people are getting upset that questions are being asked.
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Spot on.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #214
jordan210 said:
She worked for the premier league as Coach development and Elite development.

She's over seeing on field activity inc coaching what would include sport science and phycology

Hence why we have been seeing more player development of off field activities like cooking and coaching
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She not overseeing on field activity
 

jordan210

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #215
David O'Day said:
but player stats and insights fall under Dean Austin's remit
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Isn't he head of recruitment ?
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #216
jordan210 said:
Isn't he head of recruitment ?
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yes and the data analyst who deals with stats works for him
 

MalcSB

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #217
jordan210 said:
Isn't he head of recruitment ?
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I wonder if club employees including players are as confused as we are, too many cooks and all that.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #218
MalcSB said:
I wonder if club employees including players are as confused as we are, too many cooks and all that.
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We?
 

MalcSB

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #219
David O'Day said:
She not overseeing on field activity
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Whatever she is overseeing, it appears not be resulting in any improvements.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #220
MalcSB said:
I wonder if club employees including players are as confused as we are, too many cooks and all that.
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mate you wait to you see how many staff even a middling PL has
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #221
Perennial Lurker said:
We?
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Excluding you, of course,
 
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jordan210

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #222
David O'Day said:
She not overseeing on field activity
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She's over seeing the bigger picture.
David O'Day said:
yes and the data analyst who deals with stats works for him
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His LinkedIn doesnt mentioned data analyst.


Ultimately it feels like science based football. Im not convinced It will work.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #223
Perennial Lurker said:
We?
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the only thing that confuses me is we actually lack a SD/DOF which is important in these types of structure
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #224
David O'Day said:
the only thing that confuses me is we actually lack a SD/DOF which is important in these types of structure
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Agreed . If that person had been in place "maybe" some of the pressure could've been taken off Robins given things that have happened in his private life
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #225
SBT said:
Some of the criticism of her is clearly gendered though. The appointment of a former Premier League executive to oversee sports science at the club should hardly be considered a controversial appointment, but people are still questioning her credentials. There’s an inherent mistrust and doubt about her role not only because it’s coincided with a dip in form, but also because she’s a woman working in a business that almost always hires men. I’m not saying that’s the world’s greatest injustice, nor am I saying she should be immune from criticism over the things she controls, but I don’t thing you can totally ignore that aspect either.
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She’s not just overseeing sports science. There’s a mistrust of her role because she’s achieved nothing and seems to be pushing our most successful manager out of his role.

I’m questioning her credentials. Along with the fitness coach Rhys Carr and Boateng. I’m questioning the results of all of them because I’ve not seen anything to suggest they’re an improvement.

But they aren’t put forward (well Carr is now) as part of the leadership team towards fans. They aren’t mentioned as being involved in hiring and firing. There are legitimate questions specifically about the Performance Director role before you even get to the fact that the psychology and fitness of the players seems to have dropped off a cliff since her arrival.

If people were making shit Joy style handbag and blowjob jokes I’d get it, but all I see is whenever someone questions a major change in the backroom order they’re called a sexist.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #226
skybluecam said:
Probably just because he's the most experienced player in the squad. Although it should've been Sheaf really.
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I agree. If that happens to the manager under your watch, then you should put yourself forward at a time like this and lead by example.

It just about says everything unfortunately.
 

Otis

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #227
djr8369 said:
All that pad Thai slowing them dow ?
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It's all computer based these days, don't you know.

It's now an iPad Thai.
 
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Deity

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #228
jordan210 said:
It feels like high level micro managing. Hard for any established coach to work under.
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This is literally how most modern elite clubs work
 
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jordan210

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #229
Deity said:
This is literally how most modern elite clubs work
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I guess we should expect a less experienced new manger. Not from the old guard of manger and assistant.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #230
chiefdave said:
Why are people so desperate for no criticism to be levelled at her? Not by any means saying if she wasn't here we'd be flying and in the play off places but I don't see why its viewed as unacceptable to ask questions of her role because she's a woman.

We've been told part of her role is implementing a new coaching structure. That structure has been heavily criticised both in terms of the structure and the personal recruited. What makes her above reproach when she was involved in changes many see as an abject failure.

Similarly we've been told she's involved in player recruitment to ensure we bring in the 'right' type of player. There's been a lot of criticism of the recruitment, and all sorts of anger directed at the recruitment team for wasting millions but again we can't question her role in it? One thing that has been specifically criticised with some of our signings is their attitude, that's specifically a thing this role is supposed to have improved.

Not saying she's to blame or bad at her job but it baffles me that for some reason people are getting upset that questions are being asked.
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There are a few that seem a bit intent on white knighting and dare I say it, virtue signalling.

It obviously isn't the Performance Director's fault that we are where we are or that Robins directly got his P45, but if you bring someone in on what is probably a decent salary to help improve the player performances, and the performances start becoming a circus, then you would rightly expect some questions to come in their direction. Exactly the same way that if you bring in expensive player, and they don't look like they're living up to their price tag/wage.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #231
skybluecam said:
Explain to me what she does on a day to day basis then.
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Another page of posts on her and no one has given a satisfactory answer.

Surely to criticise someone's performance you first need to have a good idea of what they're actually supposed to be doing?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #232
Fucks sake just made the mistake of seeing the clubs twitter feed and now I’m raging again. Fuck Rhys Carr firstly. But mainly putting Bidwell out to do the press. WTF? Have none of the actual players who are likely to play got the bollocks?

What is going on at that place. Absolute shambles.
 
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skyblueeyesrevisited

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #233
I don’t think she knows either
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #234
shmmeee said:
Fucks sake just made the mistake of seeing the clubs twitter feed and now I’m raging again. Fuck Rhys Carr firstly. But mainly putting Bidwell out to do the press. WTF? Have none of the actual players who are likely to play got the bollocks?

What is going on at that place. Absolute shambles.
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Isn’t it usually pretty random who they send out? Bidwell is also one of the most senior players at the club.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #235
shmmeee said:
Fucks sake just made the mistake of seeing the clubs twitter feed and now I’m raging again. Fuck Rhys Carr firstly. But mainly putting Bidwell out to do the press. WTF? Have none of the actual players who are likely to play got the bollocks?

What is going on at that place. Absolute shambles.
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twat
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #236
SBT said:
Isn’t it usually pretty random who they send out? Bidwell is also one of the most senior players at the club.
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It’s usually someone who is fit to play in the game.
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #237
jordan210 said:
I guess we should expect a less experienced new manger. Not from the old guard of manger and assistant.
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it's the role most clubs go for so if they want to work they need to take the role offered
 

Torquay Sky Blue

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #238
shmmeee said:
Fucks sake just made the mistake of seeing the clubs twitter feed and now I’m raging again. Fuck Rhys Carr firstly. But mainly putting Bidwell out to do the press. WTF? Have none of the actual players who are likely to play got the bollocks?

What is going on at that place. Absolute shambles.
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You never hear anything from the blue tracksuit brigade either (there's enough of them) perhaps happy to hide away stealing a living.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #239
shmmeee said:
Fucks sake just made the mistake of seeing the clubs twitter feed and now I’m raging again. Fuck Rhys Carr firstly. But mainly putting Bidwell out to do the press. WTF? Have none of the actual players who are likely to play got the bollocks?

What is going on at that place. Absolute shambles.
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I can't possibly think why they'd put the most experienced squad member who is established at the club and generally well liked and respected by the fans out to do the first press conference post MR.
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #240
shmmeee said:
Fucks sake just made the mistake of seeing the clubs twitter feed and now I’m raging again. Fuck Rhys Carr firstly. But mainly putting Bidwell out to do the press. WTF? Have none of the actual players who are likely to play got the bollocks?

What is going on at that place. Absolute shambles.
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‘Fuck Rhys Carr’? How unbelievably childish.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #241
skybluecam said:
I can't possibly think why they'd put the most experienced squad member who is established at the club and generally well liked and respected by the fans out to do the first press conference post MR.
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Because everyone else is a pussy?

Im sure he’s been put out as apparently the closest thing we’ve got to a leader. Funny the actual leader hasn’t shown his face though?
 
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edgy

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #242
shmmeee said:
Fucks sake just made the mistake of seeing the clubs twitter feed and now I’m raging again. Fuck Rhys Carr firstly. But mainly putting Bidwell out to do the press. WTF? Have none of the actual players who are likely to play got the bollocks?

What is going on at that place. Absolute shambles.
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You need a lie down.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #243
SeaSeeEffCee said:
‘Fuck Rhys Carr’? How unbelievably childish.
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Nah fuck him. I don’t want him here and he’s slimed his way into a position he’s not fit for. Him and the rest of the crew should be walking as far as I’m concerned. They’re as much to blame as anyone.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #244
shmmeee said:
Because everyone else is a pussy?

Im sure he’s been put out as apparently the closest thing we’ve got to a leader. Funny the actual leader hasn’t shown his face though?
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Did you want all 20+ of them to turn up?

Honestly mate, log off, calm down, have a cup of tea or something. You are absolutely rabid at the moment.
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #245
shmmeee said:
It’s usually someone who is fit to play in the game.
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On the list of shambles we’ve endured over the past decade I don’t think it ranks that high tbh
 
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