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  • Start date Apr 19, 2024
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JSL

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #36
Doug has invested. He has sorted out the training ground for starters. Expect an exciting summer. Last summers signings were beyond expectations and he had barely got his feet under the table. How many times did he break the transfer fee record for the club again? The bar is set high now.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #37
I’d imagine there is money for 2-3 quality signings as things stand. If Vik moves that makes another 2-3 that we can use to make a good squad great.

Sheaf could be used to generate the money if Vik doesn’t move proving MR has a replacement in mind and would prefer new signings to keeping him.
 
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samccov1987

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #38
As others have mentioned not sure Doug has put anything into the playing squad just reinvested transfer money.

Theres nothing wrong with that, it’s the way clubs should be run. The problem is we’re in a league distorted by parachute payments and owners fronting huge losses making it a real challenge to break through the glass ceiling.

The improvements at the trading ground are welcome and the commercial side of the club is definitely being ran better.

Will be interesting to see the season ticket prices I suspect we’ll see a significant rise. My worry is that it becomes unaffordable for some and we actually see a drop off in gate revenue.
 
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SBT

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #39
It would be foolish to pass up on more attacking reinforcements to spend more money on keepers. Good teams with middling keepers can easily compete at the top of this division; middling teams with good keepers usually don’t.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #40
bigfatronssba said:
If we’re using player sales to fund operating losses then we’ll never progress.

No business is successful when its business model involves selling assets to plug operating losses. Eventually you run out of assets to sell.
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Stop the mindset that player registrations are ‘assets’ and treat them more like stock. Bring in at cost price, add value and then sell. Thats how most goods and commodities businesses operate. Don’t get me wrong, you have to be hot in the market and buy/sell at the right time, but absolutely no reason that model can’t work.
 
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Sbarcher

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #41
SBAndy said:
Stop the mindset that player registrations are ‘assets’ and treat them more like stock. Bring in at cost price, add value and then sell. Thats how most goods and commodities businesses operate. Don’t get me wrong, you have to be hot in the market and buy/sell at the right time, but absolutely no reason that model can’t work.
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That model is not working for our friends in the North East.
 
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Deity

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #42
Fans make you laugh …. Why isn’t king putting millions in ? Why bother buying the club ? And then in the same breath Why are season tickets going up ? Why are end of season awards nights going up ?

Fans spend other peoples money more freely than they spend their own …..
 
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Deity

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #43
Oh and by the way Forest season tickets have gone up from £500+ in the championship to £850 next season.

We may not like it but the more success you have the more it costs everyone. The only beneficiaries are the players and their agents.
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #44
Deity said:
Fans make you laugh …. Why isn’t king putting millions in ? Why bother buying the club ? And then in the same breath Why are season tickets going up ? Why are end of season awards nights going up ?

Fans spend other peoples money more freely than they spend their own …..
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I don’t think anyone is saying he should put millions in.

I just find it strange that, if as asserted here, he buys a loss making business without the means or willingness to fund the losses.

If losses have been funded by the sale of Gyokeres and Hamer, what would he have done if both had got seriously injured in the play off final?
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #45
SBT said:
It would be foolish to pass up on more attacking reinforcements to spend more money on keepers. Good teams with middling keepers can easily compete at the top of this division; middling teams with good keepers usually don’t.
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Not sure I agree about this, Kasper Schmeichel and the effect on Leicester,as proved by relegation after Rodger's not renewing him?
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #46
Sick Boy said:
Presumably the Hamer fee went on running costs?
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Training ground and Torp
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #47
Sick Boy said:
Has King actually invested any money of his own?
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No
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #48
JSL said:
Doug has invested. He has sorted out the training ground for starters. Expect an exciting summer. Last summers signings were beyond expectations and he had barely got his feet under the table. How many times did he break the transfer fee record for the club again? The bar is set high now.
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He hasnt.

He wandered into 30 million quid of player sales, and an unplanned for 4 million quid from the plag off run.

Yes hes put that back into the club which is more than Sisu did, but its very easy to spend money that isnt physically coming out of his backpocket
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #49
BillyBashers said:
Give us something free please.
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A piece of glass at Ryton?
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #50
BillyBashers said:
Your budget should br higher because you beg for free stuff on twitter.
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Hi Porky
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #51
BillyBashers said:
Give us something free please.
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Ok

You're an obsessed weirdo. Thats free
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #52
Gyokeres will surely go.

Sporting would be crazy not to sell while interest is so high. His value will plummet if his performances drop next season. Plus Amorim was meant to be a big reason for him going there and by all accounts he’s off.

I’d be expecting another £6-8m to come in, of which you’d hope we can reinvest 75%.

Priority for me;
CM
CB
AM (who can play middle and wide if needed)
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #53
BillyBashers said:
Just find it weird that a 'know it all' super fan has to beg for free stuff on the internet. Get a job
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Didnt beg but anyway

Ironic really, a man who has enough time to make numerous logins on here daily claiming someone else needs a job
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #54
BillyBashers said:
You gonna beg for a free season ticket next year? What excuse you gonna make up?
Just find it strange that a self proclaimed super fan tries to get free stuff, at least the smelly hatters pay their way.
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I might do now you've asked, might say I've been bullied by a nasty man with loads of logins
 

Bosworth Blue

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #55
Saddlebrains said:
Didnt beg but anyway

Ironic really, a man who has enough time to make numerous logins on here daily claiming someone else needs a job
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You’ve got the wrong person you loser
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #56
Bosworth Blue said:
You’ve got the wrong person you loser
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Oh no, ruined my day that
 

Bosworth Blue

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #57
Saddlebrains said:
Oh no, ruined my day that
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Given you spent a whole day panicking that your Wembley ticket hadn’t arrived, it wouldn’t surprise me
 

fatso

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #58
samccov1987 said:
As others have mentioned not sure Doug has put anything into the playing squad just reinvested transfer money.

Theres nothing wrong with that, it’s the way clubs should be run. The problem is we’re in a league distorted by parachute payments and owners fronting huge losses making it a real challenge to break through the glass ceiling.

The improvements at the trading ground are welcome and the commercial side of the club is definitely being ran better.

Will be interesting to see the season ticket prices I suspect we’ll see a significant rise. My worry is that it becomes unaffordable for some and we actually see a drop off in gate revenue.
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Brentford, Brighton, Bournmouth, Luton and Sheffield utd showed us what can be achieved with good management rather than millions of pounds.

For the first time in decades the owner of the club shares the same philosophy as the manager, that is quite unique here, and gives me real hope that with a couple of quality signings, we can now expect at least a top 6 finish next season, rather than just hoping for one.
 
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steve cooper

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #59
I think we need to wait and see. DK came in during January 2023, 15/16 months ago. That's 3 transfer windows. January windows are notoriously difficult to do any decent business, and as said, last summer was beyond our dreams, due to the 2 sales.
 

Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #60
bigfatronssba said:
If we’re using player sales to fund operating losses then we’ll never progress.

No business is successful when its business model involves selling assets to plug operating losses. Eventually you run out of assets to sell.
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I dont think its a selling to fund model in that respect, more of if you get an offer you cant refuse then reinvest and go again. He must have a fund for the club somewhere as he bid 20 million for the stadium and business and that would have needed financing. We do have to go again this summer and I just think its how we use it and if its supplemented further via the Gyokeres sell-on. Its also if the players were bought on instalments rather than outright, if its the former there could be more room for maneuver then we think.
 

Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #61
Bosworth Blue said:
Given you spent a whole day panicking that your Wembley ticket hadn’t arrived, it wouldn’t surprise me
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Wer you supposed to login as BillyBashers when you posted this Boosh?

Sent from my Pixel 8 using Tapatalk
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #62
Saddlebrains said:
Training ground and Torp
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Training ground and Torp didn't cost £15m though.

I think we'll have 'some' of last seasons transfer fees available and I'm pretty confident we'll bring in decent replacements in the summer.
 
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Bosworth Blue

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #63
skyblue1991 said:
Wer you supposed to login as BillyBashers when you posted this Boosh?

Sent from my Pixel 8 using Tapatalk
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Good try virgin
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #64
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
No idea, not sure if it will ever become clear over time either. That isn't to knock him really either, things are going well currently and the club has a much better feel to it now. However, i dont see us spending big sums this summer without some fairly big departures or an unexpected investor coming in like has happened elsewhere.
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There is a £6 million loan outstanding which I assume will be owed to King
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #65
fatso said:
Brentford, Brighton, Bournmouth, Luton and Sheffield utd showed us what can be achieved with good management rather than millions of pounds.

For the first time in decades the owner of the club shares the same philosophy as the manager, that is quite unique here, and gives me real hope that with a couple of quality signings, we can now expect at least a top 6 finish next season, rather than just hoping for one.
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Cross Bournemouth off that list - they spent multi-millions to achieve promotion due to their Russian benefactor.
 

Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #66
Saddlebrains said:
No
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So how did he buy the club?
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #67
Senior Vick from Alicante said:
I dont think its a selling to fund model in that respect, more of if you get an offer you cant refuse then reinvest and go again. He must have a fund for the club somewhere as he bid 20 million for the stadium and business and that would have needed financing. We do have to go again this summer and I just think its how we use it and if its supplemented further via the Gyokeres sell-on. Its also if the players were bought on instalments rather than outright, if its the former there could be more room for maneuver then we think.
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I completely get the plan of selling players for profit and reinvesting back in the squad.

I’m just saying that using that same money to cover operating losses isn’t a sustainable model.
It’s basically what held us back from about 1970 onwards
 

Balli001

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #68
Saddlebrains said:
Training ground and Torp
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And Mason Clark I presume
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #69
King i think probably provides day to day cashflow but not investment as such
 
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skybluericoh

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  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #70
Deity said:
Fans make you laugh …. Why isn’t king putting millions in ? Why bother buying the club ? And then in the same breath Why are season tickets going up ? Why are end of season awards nights going up ?

Fans spend other peoples money more freely than they spend their own …..
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'It's our Club, ownership is only temporary'. Is something else we as fans say. But like you said, moan like hell when we are asked to support the club financialy.

Doug does have to try and balance up any increase with what people are willing and in some cases able to pay, but if we want success we have to be prepaired to do our bit and support if we can.
 
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