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wingy

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  • Yesterday at 3:43 PM
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We just have to wait,the cultural shift is ongoing, America first!
 

Brylowes

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  • Yesterday at 4:01 PM
  • #317
Warwickhunt said:
I agree with you! But I don't know what they consider how much rent they want off CCFC, is it currently about £1.2 million a year? Or would they be trying to get CCFC rent to be able to cover the current operating loss of the Stadium. If it gets too high then DK would have to think of alternatives
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I would imagine Frasers have been keeping a close eye on our current ST sales & attendance in general, surely be looking to increase rent in-line with our own increased revenue.

How many ST’s were we shifting when the current rent agreement was signed ?
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Yesterday at 4:03 PM
  • #318
How much has it cost Doug in fines so far, was it £10k per season? peanuts to a multi-millionaire like him!! hahahaha
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Yesterday at 4:22 PM
  • #319
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I mean this is pretty ridiculous posturing on King's part that he'd be best advised to step back from, unless he really does have a serious wad of investment lined up to actually build a 40k stadium elsewhere in the city.

Dare I say it's not a very 'grown up' way of doing things.
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He’s written to the council making basic enquiries. It’s not like he’s threatening to go on a rent strike and leave the ground.

given we can’t expand the CBS and we’ve only got a tenancy of 3 years remaining he’d be silly not to make initial investigations.
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • Yesterday at 4:25 PM
  • #320
Nick said:
Of course it makes cash for the stadium
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How so? When you knock off lost revenue for when we play there, then the cost of upkeep so we can play and then deduct the share of revenues we take there will be nothing left of note.
 

clint van damme

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  • Yesterday at 4:30 PM
  • #321
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
He’s written to the council making basic enquiries. It’s not like he’s threatening to go on a rent strike and leave the ground.

given we can’t expand the CBS and we’ve only got a tenancy of 3 years remaining he’d be silly not to make initial investigations.
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Why would we need to expand the CBS?
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Yesterday at 4:30 PM
  • #322
Cally Fedora said:
How so? When you knock off lost revenue for when we play there, then the cost of upkeep so we can play and then deduct the share of revenues we take there will be nothing left of note.
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I’d imagine the sponsorship for the facility is brought in by the existence of the football club
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Yesterday at 4:32 PM
  • #323
clint van damme said:
Why would we need to expand the CBS?
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We’re currently on course to sell out most games. If we get promoted then it will sell out every week.

you’ve got to put plans in for 5, 10 years down the line. If all goes well and say we get promoted we’d Need to look at expansion.
 

clint van damme

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  • Yesterday at 4:37 PM
  • #324
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
We’re currently on course to sell out most games. If we get promoted then it will sell out every week.
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How are we on course to sell out most of our games?
And if we get promoted yes, we'll sell out every week, but it may only last a season.

Talk of needing a bigger ground is extremely premature.
And even if we needed one, I doubt building a new ground is remotely viable.
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Yesterday at 4:48 PM
  • #325
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
He’s written to the council making basic enquiries. It’s not like he’s threatening to go on a rent strike and leave the ground.

given we can’t expand the CBS and we’ve only got a tenancy of 3 years remaining he’d be silly not to make initial investigations.
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Why can't it be expanded, other teams seem to do it in a lot tighter spaces than ours and surrounded by houses
 

Balli001

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  • Yesterday at 4:57 PM
  • #326
Gynnsthetonic said:
Why can't it be expanded, other teams seem to do it in a lot tighter spaces than ours and surrounded by houses
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Well we dont own it for a start
 
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wingy

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  • Yesterday at 5:00 PM
  • #327
Brylowes said:
I would imagine Frasers have been keeping a close eye on our current ST sales & attendance in general, surely be looking to increase rent in-line with our own increased revenue.

How many ST’s were we shifting when the current rent agreement was signed ?
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Probably goes along with the original selling a block at a time?
 
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Nick

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  • Yesterday at 5:01 PM
  • #328
Cally Fedora said:
How so? When you knock off lost revenue for when we play there, then the cost of upkeep so we can play and then deduct the share of revenues we take there will be nothing left of note.
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It will be selling out a lot this season.

It seems like we pay for a lot of the upkeep as well.

How much revenue are they losing when we have home games and they get 25k people trying to buy food and beer off them?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Yesterday at 5:01 PM
  • #329
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
He’s written to the council making basic enquiries. It’s not like he’s threatening to go on a rent strike and leave the ground.

given we can’t expand the CBS and we’ve only got a tenancy of 3 years remaining he’d be silly not to make initial investigations.
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It's a total non starter to suggest building it at the site suggested.
 
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wingy

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  • Yesterday at 5:04 PM
  • #330
Nick said:
It will be selling out a lot this season.

It seems like we pay for a lot of the upkeep as well.

How much revenue are they losing when we have home games and they get 25k people trying to buy food and beer off them?
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Don't forget there must be a tax for sole use?
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Yesterday at 5:20 PM
  • #331
clint van damme said:
How are we on course to sell out most of our games?
And if we get promoted yes, we'll sell out every week, but it may only last a season.

Talk of needing a bigger ground is extremely premature.
And even if we needed one, I doubt building a new ground is remotely viable.
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We’ll well be roughly at 27,000 every game for a start that’s before you sell corporate and the remaining general sale which the majority of the time we will be close to.

but again that’s something to enquire about in a plan for say 10 years. Would be madness not to have a plan.

In terms of getting a new one we’re back to the question of “what if Frasers terms aren’t viable?” What happens then? Ultimately Doug needs options. This is an option albeit highly unlikely. We can’t keep being held to ransom on our home
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It's a total non starter to suggest building it at the site suggested.
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and that was the response to Doug - as I said it’s basic enquiries about what he can and can’t do. He’s asked the question - he’s been told no. He goes back to the drawing board

this scenario is going to crop up every 5-10 years unless we get control of a stadium. Whether that’s a new ground or buying from Ashley
 
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StrettoBoy

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  • Yesterday at 5:34 PM
  • #332
I fear that Ashley will refuse to give us an extension and try and buy the club for a song in 2028 when we face being homeless again. I wouldn't put it past him
 

pusbccfc

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  • Yesterday at 6:02 PM
  • #333
SBT said:
How many journalists do we have covering us full time?
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Which topics do you think get the most clicks on the CWR and CT websites? I'd imagine CCFC rank highest most weeks.
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 6:49 PM
  • #334
pusbccfc said:
Which topics do you think get the most clicks on the CWR and CT websites? I'd imagine CCFC rank highest most weeks.
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My point is that other than a couple of local outlets we don’t garner a great deal of media coverage at all. I don’t see a single national outlet with a new story on us today, for example.
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 6:55 PM
  • #335
SBT said:
My point is that other than a couple of local outlets we don’t garner a great deal of media coverage at all. I don’t see a single national outlet with a new story on us today, for example.
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Has there been any on AFC Bournemouth today?
 
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Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 7:30 PM
  • #336
Sky Blue Pete said:
There aren’t any but don’t worry grendel says we shouldn’t be interested in what’s going on
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We are clearly interested but we are not shareholders in the company.

Unlike Seppala he clearly has some business acumen if you like him or not. Her only skill was lying through her back teeth and turning people against each other. She wasn’t an especially impressive person and I always found it slightly alarming you were taken in by her.

He has been handed a tough deal following the train wreck she left behind and has certainly exceeded my expectations. We used to have imbeciles like Boddy who was just an embarrassment. It’s far more professional and I don’t need to know what hes trying to do as I trust he will be doing something to try and maximise the clubs opportunity. Not like losers such as Seppala and Boddy
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 8:18 PM
  • #337
Grendel said:
Has there been any on AFC Bournemouth today?
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The Express: Premier League clubs put on red alert with ominous warning about Man Utd

Yahoo Sports: Genoa line up two replacements if De Winter leaves for Inter or Bournemouth
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 8:31 PM
  • #338
So yesterday on Yahoo sports

Neil Warnock makes Coventry City prediction with 'silly money' being spent

Coventry City have reached the Championship play-offs in two of the past three seasons
uk.sports.yahoo.com

You are really making yourself look very silly here
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 9:10 PM
  • #339
Grendel said:
So yesterday on Yahoo sports

Neil Warnock makes Coventry City prediction with 'silly money' being spent

Coventry City have reached the Championship play-offs in two of the past three seasons
uk.sports.yahoo.com

You are really making yourself look very silly here
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That’s an aggregated Coventry Telegraph story from yesterday, so not really? But I’m not sure anyone knows what point you’re trying to prove anymore.
 

stay_up_skyblues

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  • Yesterday at 10:42 PM
  • #340
Sky Blue Goblin said:
“Coventry plan for Bigger Butts”
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“Doug likes the Butts and he cannot lie”
 
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Ashdown

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  • Yesterday at 10:55 PM
  • #341
There will be no new stadium. Not a chance, it makes no sense at all. Its all just posturing and business people trying to get the best deal for the future. The CBS has been improved no end and is our home now. A new stadium would cost millions. Now whilst we are beholden to Frasers they are beholden to City in reality. Both operations need each other.
 
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Warwickhunt

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  • Today at 12:17 AM
  • #342
Ashdown said:
There will be no new stadium. Not a chance, it makes no sense at all. Its all just posturing and business people trying to get the best deal for the future. The CBS has been improved no end and is our home now. A new stadium would cost millions. Now whilst we are beholden to Frasers they are beholden to City in reality. Both operations need each other.
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Spot on!
 

Lamps

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  • Today at 5:32 AM
  • #343
Cally Fedora said:
How so? When you knock off lost revenue for when we play there, then the cost of upkeep so we can play and then deduct the share of revenues we take there will be nothing left of note.
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How much profit do you think the stadium makes when we're not playing?

How about the upkeep needed? King has been investing in the stadium. Is that our job or should it be the stadium owner? Is Ashley expecting us to keep paying for upgrades on a stadium we don't own plus wants a big rent increase?

As usual we don't know many details. We don't even know who leaked it and why. But we do have experts on here that have already made their minds up.
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Today at 9:05 AM
  • #344
chiefdave said:
I'm led to believe there are gigs booked for the stadium bowl next summer. I got told 'you'll love who is at the Ricoh next summer' which could either be someone I actually like or someone I hate
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Gonna be awkward when Coldplay are playing and the camera pans to the corporate boxes and Adi's got his arms around MR.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Today at 1:52 PM
  • #345
Cally Fedora said:
How so? When you knock off lost revenue for when we play there, then the cost of upkeep so we can play and then deduct the share of revenues we take there will be nothing left of note.
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We pay rent, we seemingly pay for most of the maintenance, we are responsible for the pitch etc. The things we aren't responsible for / won't pay for haven't had a penny spent on them, like the PA for example.

On top of the rent they get the F&B, car parking, naming rights, stadium tours (nobody is going on those if it's not a football stadium). 23+ event days a year when we give them in the region of 30K visitors. If they're losing money or barely breaking even on that they're doing something wrong.
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • 52 minutes ago
  • #346
We pay a small rent. We take a % of food and beverages. We get ticket sales. The upkeep is Frasers. They can’t do anything with it for 30-40 days when we play. All of the statutory upkeep is theirs. Tours? That will be an absolute pittance in the scheme of things. I’m not saying it’s an issue. But not owning and renting is exactly the deal we should stick with.
 

Lamps

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  • 10 minutes ago
  • #347
Cally Fedora said:
We pay a small rent. We take a % of food and beverages. We get ticket sales. The upkeep is Frasers. They can’t do anything with it for 30-40 days when we play. All of the statutory upkeep is theirs. Tours? That will be an absolute pittance in the scheme of things. I’m not saying it’s an issue. But not owning and renting is exactly the deal we should stick with.
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So how much rent do we presently pay and how much is Ashley wanting to put it up to?
 
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