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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #736
CCFCSteve said:


seriously though, I saw these comments recently...I’m no Clinton fan (not by a long stretch) and appreciate there’s no love lost between the pair but bizarre to be so critical when Trumps the alternative ! (if Saunders chosen). Brutal !

Hillary Clinton says 'nobody likes' Bernie Sanders and won't commit to backing him if he's the Democratic nominee - CNNPolitics
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She's one of the most disliked politicians in the country, if anything it helps him
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #737
Brighton Sky Blue said:
She's one of the most disliked politicians in the country, if anything it helps him
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appreciate that but some of the specifics will be easy for Trump to jump on
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #738
CCFCSteve said:
appreciate that but some of the specifics will be easy for Trump to jump on
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There's plenty of ammo against the orange one. Starting with clips of him supporting universal health before being President or thinking that Obama would invade Iran during election season, loads more. He can't go after Sanders for much other than lazy Venezuela comparisons. Biden would be a much weaker candidate
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #739
CCFCSteve said:


seriously though, I saw these comments recently...I’m no Clinton fan (not by a long stretch) and appreciate there’s no love lost between the pair but bizarre to be so critical when Trumps the alternative ! (if Saunders chosen). Brutal !

Hillary Clinton says 'nobody likes' Bernie Sanders and won't commit to backing him if he's the Democratic nominee - CNNPolitics
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I know some Americans who will prefer trump to him even though they despise him

Sanders is viewed as a pariah in a lot of America
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #740
Grendel said:
I know some Americans who will prefer trump to him even though they despise him

Sanders is viewed as a pariah in a lot of America
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Interesting

America’s Most and Least Popular Senators — January 2019
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #741
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Interesting

America’s Most and Least Popular Senators — January 2019
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You really are poor at data interpretation
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #742
Grendel said:
You really are poor at data interpretation
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Meh

Morning Consult: The 2020 U.S. Election

Trump got 3 million fewer votes against the most unpopular Democrat in decades. Against one of the most popular with no corruption or elitism to fire at he's in trouble
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #743
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Meh

Morning Consult: The 2020 U.S. Election

Trump got 3 million fewer votes against the most unpopular Democrat in decades. Against one of the most popular with no corruption or elitism to fire at he's in trouble
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Don’t worry - they’ll start with the anti-semitism stuff soon enough (pretty sure they have already)

The fact he’s Jewish won’t matter.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #744
Ian1779 said:
The fact he’s Jewish won’t matter.
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He used to live in Israel I think but that hasn't stopped people labelling him anti-Semitic.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #745
chiefdave said:
He used to live in Israel I think but that hasn't stopped people labelling him anti-Semitic.
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He at least appears to be calling it out directly as bullshit from what I’ve seen.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #746
Could well end up like last time - Dem's win popular vote but set up of electoral college makes it favourable for Rep's. Also not sure what gerrymandering has gone on in the last few years and I think some places have brought in voter ID etc which will affect Dem supporters to a far greater degree.

Bernie is also pretty left wing for the US. Even a lot of Dem's see him as too lefty. Shame as I'd like to see him get it.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #747
Nandy on LBC if anyone’s interested. Come across well so far
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #748
CCFCSteve said:
Nandy on LBC if anyone’s interested. Come across well so far
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The sole fact that she’s done GMB, Andrew Neil, Nick Robinson both on Today and Political Thinking, and LBC is a massive plus for me. Corbyn seemed to think anything but fawning crowds of acolytes was beneath him.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #749
She came across well, credible and just sounded normal ! (as bizarre as that sounds it’s pretty rare in politics these days !)
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #750
CCFCSteve said:
She came across well, credible and just sounded normal ! (as bizarre as that sounds it’s pretty rare in politics these days !)
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Starmer would be my first choice followed by Nandy.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #751
Sick Boy said:
Starmer would be my first choice followed by Nandy.
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Im flip flopping but think I’ll end up Nandy then Starmer. Would be happy with either TBF. Would also want either to step down if it’s clear the public aren’t taking to them.
 

torchomatic

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #752
Sick Boy said:
With respect it was about much more than the Brexit vote as to why Labour lost the election, to continue to blame Brexit for the defeat is not looking at the big picture as to they the defeat was so significant. Not sure I can agree that listneing to middle class voters equals listeing to the PV's campaign either.
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Labour go on about Brexit as if it is a 'thing' that is out of their control, nothing to do with them. It wasn't Brexit that scuppered Labour it was their Brexit policy that did it. It was shit. The vote and debacle that followed at Conference was the final straw.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #753
Sick Boy said:
Starmer would be my first choice followed by Nandy.
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Same here. Starmer all the way. Not too keen on Nandy as she voted with the Government, basically trying to placate her constituents and keep her job. There were many MPs, who bravely told their constituents that they weren't going to vote for a Tory ideology that would make them all poorer. Nandy, didn't do that. Still, she would be a thousand times better than RLB.

I will vote Ian Murray for deputy, although it will be Rayner, I would imagine. As long as Burgon is nowhere near.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #754
torchomatic said:
Labour go on about Brexit as if it is a 'thing' that is out of their control, nothing to do with them. It wasn't Brexit that scuppered Labour it was their Brexit policy that did it. It was shit. The vote and debacle that followed at Conference was the final straw.
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It played so easily into Johnson’s hands. Especially as everyone knows Corbyn is a EU sceptic. They could have agreed to honour the result but say introduce a customs union - agree the withdrawal agreement before the election and confirm that this would the amendment - it was the farcical situation of Corbyn dithering and looking sullen when asked and Thornberry and starmer saying they are backing remain. Some MPs said they were still going to leave. It was a car crash
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #755
shmmeee said:
Im flip flopping but think I’ll end up Nandy then Starmer. Would be happy with either TBF. Would also want either to step down if it’s clear the public aren’t taking to them.
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Or even the parliamentary MPs. Totally destructive fighting each other rather than the Tories.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #756
torchomatic said:
Same here. Starmer all the way. Not too keen on Nandy as she voted with the Government, basically trying to placate her constituents and keep her job. There were many MPs, who bravely told their constituents that they weren't going to vote for a Tory ideology that would make them all poorer. Nandy, didn't do that. Still, she would be a thousand times better than RLB.

I will vote Ian Murray for deputy, although it will be Rayner, I would imagine. As long as Burgon is nowhere near.
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Those “brave MPs” were just doing the exact same but in Remain constituencies let’s be honest.
 

torchomatic

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #757
Deleted member 5849 said:
Or even the parliamentary MPs. Totally destructive fighting each other rather than the Tories.
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Nah, that's just an excuse Corbyn and his acolytes come up with. The Tories were tearing themselves apart over Brexit and Johnson threw 20 of them out, yet they still destroyed Corbyn at the ballot.

There's that report from Gwynne and the tosser Lavery whereby they blame the worse defeat in 85 years on Brexit, the media and other Labour MPs. It's this level of delusion that plays into Johnson's hands.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #758
torchomatic said:
Nah, that's just an excuse Corbyn and his acolytes come up with. The Tories were tearing themselves apart over Brexit and Johnson threw 20 of them out, yet they still destroyed Corbyn at the ballot.

There's that report from Gwynne and the tosser Lavery whereby they blame the worse defeat in 85 years on Brexit, the media and other Labour MPs. It's this level of delusion that plays into Johnson's hands.
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I actually meant the leader should go if they don't have the support of the parliamentary MPs.

However it does work the other way as well and some MPs behaved shamefully, in my opinion, in trying to sabotage Corbyn from the very beginning.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #759
Grendel said:
I think it’s this

The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Backing Gezza never a good idea. Beagle welfare would be ideal
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Payment done, let me know if you want me to send proof.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #760
Deleted member 5849 said:
I actually meant the leader should go if they don't have the support of the parliamentary MPs.

However it does work the other way as well and some MPs behaved shamefully, in my opinion, in trying to sabotage Corbyn from the very beginning.
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He sabotaged himself. Or rather his dodgy past did. Useless.
 

dutchman

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  • Jan 30, 2020
  • #761
torchomatic said:
He sabotaged himself. Or rather his dodgy past did. Useless.
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I think most voters overlooked his past, it was his ridiculously unbelievable election promises that sank him.
 

torchomatic

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  • Jan 30, 2020
  • #762
dutchman said:
I think most voters overlooked his past, it was his ridiculously unbelievable election promises that sank him.
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I don't know about that. A combination of many things, but to try and make out he wasn't a problem for voters is delusional.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 30, 2020
  • #763
Sick Boy said:
Payment done, let me know if you want me to send proof.
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No no worries. Thanks. You need to blame BSB as I’d forgot all about it!
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jan 30, 2020
  • #764
torchomatic said:
I don't know about that. A combination of many things, but to try and make out he wasn't a problem for voters is delusional.
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I can accept that his baggage was too much for voters to get past, but I can’t accept the notion that he is a racist because it’s bollocks.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 30, 2020
  • #765
Grendel said:
No no worries. Thanks. You need to blame BSB as I’d forgot all about it!
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I want commission
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 30, 2020
  • #766
dutchman said:
I think most voters overlooked his past, it was his ridiculously unbelievable election promises that sank him.
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Thank God we voted in a guy with a track record in honesty
 
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dutchman

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  • Jan 31, 2020
  • #767
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Thank God we voted in a guy with a track record in honesty
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But even Boris wasn't stupid enough to promise to buy a house for every homeless person and compensate every woman of mrs dutchman's age with £37,000.

I didn't necessarily disagree with Corbyn's policies I just didn't think they were realistic or achievable and neither did much of the electorate according to the election result.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 31, 2020
  • #768
dutchman said:
But even Boris wasn't stupid enough to promise to buy a house for every homeless person and compensate every woman of mrs dutchman's age with £37,000.

I didn't necessarily disagree with Corbyn's policies I just didn't think they were realistic or achievable and neither did much of the electorate according to the election result.
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The WASPI stuff was silly, but there’s lots of evidence giving homeless people homes is the cheapest and easiest way to solve the problem.

Also Boris’ sole policy will cost us trillions for literally no benefit. No one who voted for it can talk about “wasting money”.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 31, 2020
  • #769
dutchman said:
But even Boris wasn't stupid enough to promise to buy a house for every homeless person and compensate every woman of mrs dutchman's age with £37,000.

I didn't necessarily disagree with Corbyn's policies I just didn't think they were realistic or achievable and neither did much of the electorate according to the election result.
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Greatest country in the world but we can't find a way to implement policies we want

Greatest country in the world but we'll let it break up in order to flip off the continent

Boris has told barefaced lies wrapped around a meaningless soundbite. Now he has to back it up
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 17, 2020
  • #770
Lisa Nandy is doing best in this debate. Starmer needs to stop being worried about giving an opinion.
 
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