New hotel at Ricoh (1 Viewer)

theferret · Sep 16, 2019

Not sure this is in the right place Nick, so please feel free to move it.

I notice that a planning application has been submitted to CCC for a new hotel at the Ricoh. It is not on car park C though, it is on Judds Lane opposite car park A. Can't say for sure, but don't think this has anything to do with ACL/Wasps. The hotel will be a Marriot 'Moxy' hotel, and there'll also be a MacDonalds. I suppose at the very least it will provide an extra place to have a drink when/if we return.

Planning app is here: http://planning.coventry.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=804268

cc84cov · Sep 16, 2019

Another McDonalds in the city just What we need

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 16, 2019

theferret said:
The hotel will be a Marriot 'Moxy' hotel

I'm resisting making the obvious letter switch within the scare quotes.

ccfcway · Sep 16, 2019

You sure it’s a new hotel ?.

Any chance that it will look like a hotel and then on launch day, the cover will be ripped off and highfield road 2 is revealed ?

chiefdave · Sep 16, 2019

theferret said:
Can't say for sure, but don't think this has anything to do with ACL/Wasps.

Surely its got to be linked with ACL / Wasps / CCC. They've been trying for years to get another hotel on site.

As funny as it would be it would be spectacular incompetence to be unable to get that project moved forward while someone builds one literally next to the site.

Liquid Gold · Sep 16, 2019

The 150-200 Wasps fans will have options.

chiefdave · Sep 16, 2019

The company that have put in the application have only one director listed. If you google him you can find his Instagram which is full of pictures of him at Wasps games so would be surprised if this isn't linked to Wasps. Seems odd to build it there and not on the site they agreed a lease with CCC for (car park C).

vow · Sep 16, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
I'm resisting making the obvious letter switch within the scare quotes.

...Foxy?

rob9872 · Sep 16, 2019

vow said:
...Foxy?

Of course. I was thinking Harriot the agent ...

vow · Sep 16, 2019

rob9872 said:
Of course. I was thinking Harriot the agent ...

Harriot "Foxy" Motel perhaps?

Liquid Gold · Sep 16, 2019

I thought Poxy

vow · Sep 16, 2019

Liquid Gold said:
I thought Poxy

shmmeee · Sep 16, 2019

chiefdave said:
The company that have put in the application have only one director listed. If you google him you can find his Instagram which is full of pictures of him at Wasps games so would be surprised if this isn't linked to Wasps. Seems odd to build it there and not on the site they agreed a lease with CCC for (car park C).

I know they haven’t got many fans, but I don’t think every single one of them is a board member!

By this logic Chelsea are also involved!
() Abramovich to buy out Joy!!

The guy has been in property investment and business around Birmingham for ages it seems.

clint van damme · Sep 16, 2019

bit of a strange location, I know there is need for more hotels in Cov but surely they could have found a better location than that?
Anyone know how the one a the Ricoh performs?

shmmeee · Sep 16, 2019

clint van damme said:
bit of a strange location, I know there is need for more hotels in Cov but surely they could have found a better location than that?
Anyone know how the one a the Ricoh performs?

I dunno. Lots of events at the Ricoh, reasonably close for Brum stuff like the NEC.

Hilton themselves seem to be doing OK. Doubt they release data on individual locations.

CovUpNorth · Sep 16, 2019

theferret said:
Not sure this is in the right place Nick, so please feel free to move it.

I notice that a planning application has been submitted to CCC for a new hotel at the Ricoh. It is not on car park C though, it is on Judds Lane opposite car park A. Can't say for sure, but don't think this has anything to do with ACL/Wasps. The hotel will be a Marriot 'Moxy' hotel, and there'll also be a MacDonalds. I suppose at the very least it will provide an extra place to have a drink when/if we return.

Planning app is here: Coventry City Council: Planning Application Details

A strawberry thick shake ?

pusbccfc · Sep 16, 2019

McDonald's building a restaurant there is the most surprising part.

theferret · Sep 16, 2019

CovUpNorth said:
A strawberry thick shake ?

That's one option, the other being the overpriced piss they'll serve in the hotel bar.

Hopefully the developers who have bought the old Rowleys Green Social Club site will now proceed with the plans for a pub rather than the fast food restaurant. They have permission for either, but the Macdonalds proposed in this app make that less likely.

Much as I'd like to think we'll build our own ground, it ain't happening, so a few more places to get a drink near the Ricoh will be welcome.

robbiethemole · Sep 16, 2019

Is this on the old scrap yard site? The Chinese consortium of several years ago were going to build a hotel,snow dome and leisure centre there weren't they?

shmmeee · Sep 16, 2019

theferret said:
That's one option, the other being the overpriced piss they'll serve in the hotel bar.

Hopefully the developers who have bought the old Rowleys Green Social Club site will now proceed with the plans for a pub rather than the fast food restaurant. They have permission for either, but the Macdonalds proposed in this app make that less likely.

Much as I'd like to think we'll build our own ground, it ain't happening, so a few more places to get a drink near the Ricoh will be welcome.

I dunno, lots of places do follow the leader. A Maccys might actually encourage other fast food.

fatso · Sep 17, 2019

At this rate every single wasps fan will get their own room!

Skyblueweeman · Sep 17, 2019

shmmeee said:
I dunno. Lots of events at the Ricoh, reasonably close for Brum stuff like the NEC.

Hilton themselves seem to be doing OK. Doubt they release data on individual locations.

Hilton are doing very, very well but you're right...public disclosure on specific locations isn't really on the agenda.

As for the DTbH at the Ricoh already, as mentioned before, it's run on a franchise agreement...Hilton don't own it, ACL/Wasps own it so if any information was to be released on performance, it would come from them, not Hilton.

Back on topic, I'm at a loss to explain why ACL/Wasps would need another hotel when they already own one on site. My guess (and maybe someone like OSB might be able to clarify further) is that ACL/Wasps have sold part of the land to developers and won't have anything to do with, unless there's a contractual element that states that on top of a purchase fee, they're entitled to a % of revenues/profits going forward.

Given the apparent financial woes at Wasps, it would be non-sensical of them to be involved with another hotel on site which makes me think that the selling off of this piece of land for a new development, might be the logic behind it. Gives them a cash boost in terms of the land sale and helps them attract more residential events to the Arena with more bed stock on site.

Grendel · Sep 17, 2019

Skyblueweeman said:
Hilton are doing very, very well but you're right...public disclosure on specific locations isn't really on the agenda.

As for the DTbH at the Ricoh already, as mentioned before, it's run on a franchise agreement...Hilton don't own it, ACL/Wasps own it so if any information was to be released on performance, it would come from them, not Hilton.

Back on topic, I'm at a loss to explain why ACL/Wasps would need another hotel when they already own one on site. My guess (and maybe someone like OSB might be able to clarify further) is that ACL/Wasps have sold part of the land to developers and won't have anything to do with, unless there's a contractual element that states that on top of a purchase fee, they're entitled to a % of revenues/profits going forward.

Given the apparent financial woes at Wasps, it would be non-sensical of them to be involved with another hotel on site which makes me think that the selling off of this piece of land for a new development, might be the logic behind it. Gives them a cash boost in terms of the land sale and helps them attract more residential events to the Arena with more bed stock on site.

They don’t own the land?

Skyblueweeman · Sep 17, 2019

Grendel said:
They don’t own the land?

Well then that means it's either even more strange that they're involved in a 2nd hotel when finances are supposedly tight or they're not involved at all (from a financial point of view).

CovUpNorth · Sep 17, 2019

that area was always an eye sore. Once they’ve finished the work we can return a celebrate with a Big Mac meal!!

shmmeee · Sep 17, 2019

Skyblueweeman said:
Hilton are doing very, very well but you're right...public disclosure on specific locations isn't really on the agenda.

As for the DTbH at the Ricoh already, as mentioned before, it's run on a franchise agreement...Hilton don't own it, ACL/Wasps own it so if any information was to be released on performance, it would come from them, not Hilton.

Back on topic, I'm at a loss to explain why ACL/Wasps would need another hotel when they already own one on site. My guess (and maybe someone like OSB might be able to clarify further) is that ACL/Wasps have sold part of the land to developers and won't have anything to do with, unless there's a contractual element that states that on top of a purchase fee, they're entitled to a % of revenues/profits going forward.

Given the apparent financial woes at Wasps, it would be non-sensical of them to be involved with another hotel on site which makes me think that the selling off of this piece of land for a new development, might be the logic behind it. Gives them a cash boost in terms of the land sale and helps them attract more residential events to the Arena with more bed stock on site.

Didn’t know that about franchising, fair enough.

As for this application, the land is all owned by the planning applicant, literally the only reason people think Wasps are involved is because the guy who owns the DevCo has a picture of himself at the game. Far more likely some commercial developer has seen the opportunity in a site with low rateable values in a decent location.

If ACL wanted to develop something it’s make far more sense to use the land they own that’s already empty.

fernandopartridge · Sep 17, 2019

There have been previous applications here but more speculative than this one. It isn't good news for Wasps though as it doesn't help their own plans for a hotel on the car park. Wonder whether their marketing the site and presumably (in their way) asking for a King's ransom they've alerted a developer to cheaper sites with similar credentials?

stupot07 · Feb 28, 2020

So this planning application got rejected on the 27/11/2019, yet Wasps Hotel planning application has just been but on show and has council backing...

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tisza · Feb 28, 2020

So this new 150 bedroom hotel will create 30 jobs. Going to be some long shifts for some
Also the supposed benefit to the local economy seems to 25% less per year than the other proposed hotel had offered.
Does have the feel of the council trying to do anything to prop up wasps and justify their stadium decision.

jordan210 · Feb 28, 2020

How convenient that they had the lease extended just in time to get a planning application in

So I assume this one will be rejected for the same reasons.......

"Coventry City Council refused the plans, principally due to its location being in an ‘out of centre’ site.

There were also concerns that it could add to traffic at peak times and during major events at the Ricoh."

So the hotel will be a Hilton the same as the hotel on site. If this gets planning permission CCC might aswell just rebadge as wasps and not hide their bias

stupot07 · Feb 28, 2020

tisza said:
So this new 150 bedroom hotel will create 30 jobs. Going to be some long shifts for some
Also the supposed benefit to the local economy seems to 25% less per year than the other proposed hotel had offered.
Does have the feel of the council trying to do anything to prop up wasps and justify their stadium decision.

The other developed was going to create 68 jobs.

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stupot07 · Feb 28, 2020

jordan210 said:
How convenient that they had the lease extended just in time to get a planning application in

So I assume this one will be rejected for the same reasons.......

"Coventry City Council refused the plans, principally due to its location being in an ‘out of centre’ site.

There were also concerns that it could add to traffic at peak times and during major events at the Ricoh."

So the hotel will be a Hilton the same as the hotel on site. If this gets planning permission CCC might aswell just rebadge as wasps and not hide their bias

Already being back by the council..

Councillor Jim O'Boyle, cabinet member for jobs and regeneration, said: "This is great news. A hotel has always been part of the wider plan for the whole development, so I'm glad to see this progress.

"I'm sure it will enable the team to secure even more brilliant events at the Ricoh and of course it will create new jobs for local people."

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Nick · Feb 28, 2020

It's laughable really. Hopefully it goes to shit like everything else.

jordan210 · Feb 28, 2020

stupot07 said:
Already being back by the council..

Councillor Jim O'Boyle, cabinet member for jobs and regeneration, said: "This is great news. A hotel has always been part of the wider plan for the whole development, so I'm glad to see this progress.

"I'm sure it will enable the team to secure even more brilliant events at the Ricoh and of course it will create new jobs for local people."

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Indeed he has been pushing this hotel for wasps for a while. Also it appears he is a big rugby fan and doesn't appear to have ever mentioned City.....

SBAndy · Feb 28, 2020

Absolute con. Hope the initial applicants fucking hammer the council.

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