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Muslim women don't have to shake hands in Sweden (1 Viewer)

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Gazolba

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  • Aug 16, 2018
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BBC article:
Sweden Muslim woman wins handshake case
 
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xcraigx

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  • Aug 16, 2018
  • #2
Why on earth would you terminate the interview? That decision was only going to end badly.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Aug 16, 2018
  • #3
The interpreting company in Ms Alhajeh's home town of Uppsala had argued that its staff were required to treat men and women equally and could not allow a staff member to refuse a handshake based on gender.
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I would have thought the way things are these days the reverse was more likely to be true, that companies can't force employees to make physical contact.
 

Otis

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  • Aug 16, 2018
  • #4
chiefdave said:
I would have thought the way things are these days the reverse was more likely to be true, that companies can't force employees to make physical contact.
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Not sure that's the case in the porn industry, dave. Or boxing.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Aug 16, 2018
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Everyone is seem to meet now wants to fist bump and I have to say I prefer it
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 16, 2018
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xcraigx said:
Why on earth would you terminate the interview? That decision was only going to end badly.
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Doesn’t make sense does it. It’s being portrayed as a Muslim thing but lots of cultures don’t shake hands. And then you have rafts of people who won’t shake hands because they germophobia. You simply can’t terminate an interview on that basis. Like you say, it was always going to end bad
 

ccfctommy

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  • Aug 16, 2018
  • #7
Glad she won tbh.
 
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Otis

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  • Aug 16, 2018
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skybluetony176 said:
Doesn’t make sense does it. It’s being portrayed as a Muslim thing but lots of cultures don’t shake hands. And then you have rafts of people who won’t shake hands because they germophobia. You simply can’t terminate an interview on that basis. Like you say, it was always going to end bad
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I'd definitely develop germaphobia if I had to shake hands with anyone from on SBT..
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 16, 2018
  • #9
They have an election coming up there and I think they could be in for a shock.
 

Westendlad

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  • Aug 16, 2018
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skybluetony176 said:
Doesn’t make sense does it. It’s being portrayed as a Muslim thing but lots of cultures don’t shake hands. And then you have rafts of people who won’t shake hands because they germophobia. You simply can’t terminate an interview on that basis. Like you say, it was always going to end bad
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Really....What other cultures don't shake hands ?
 

Westendlad

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  • Aug 16, 2018
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ccfctommy said:
Glad she won tbh.
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Why ?
 

Westendlad

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  • Aug 16, 2018
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Terry Gibson's perm said:
Everyone is seem to meet now wants to fist bump and I have to say I prefer it
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Especially if they've just walked out of a toilet !!
 
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chiefdave

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  • Aug 16, 2018
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Westendlad said:
Really....What other cultures don't shake hands ?
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Off the top of my head some Asian cultures don't shake hands at all. Australian women traditionally never shake hands with another women, the reverse in Russia where it is only acceptable to shake hands with the same gender not a gender mix. The Japanese prefer not to shake hands but will, if prompted, but very lightly.

There's loads of places, quite surprised this would come as a shock to anyone.
 
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Westendlad

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  • Aug 16, 2018
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chiefdave said:
Off the top of my head some Asian cultures don't shake hands at all. Australian women traditionally never shake hands with another women, the reverse in Russia where it is only acceptable to shake hands with the same gender not a gender mix. The Japanese prefer not to shake hands but will, if prompted, but very lightly.

There's loads of places, quite surprised this would come as a shock to anyone.
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What a load of bollocks. Australian women never shake hands with another women.....? When was the last time you've seen two women shake hands ? In Russia its only acceptable to shake hands with the same same gender ? No shit sherlock........
 

Gazolba

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  • Aug 17, 2018
  • #15
Here are some international customs:
https://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/international-protocol-international-greetings
I just shook hands with an Indian lady today who just joined our team. I hope it wasn't a faux pas.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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chiefdave said:
Off the top of my head some Asian cultures don't shake hands at all. Australian women traditionally never shake hands with another women, the reverse in Russia where it is only acceptable to shake hands with the same gender not a gender mix. The Japanese prefer not to shake hands but will, if prompted, but very lightly.

There's loads of places, quite surprised this would come as a shock to anyone.
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We had some customers visit work from Vietnam a couple of years ago and not only would they not shake hands when they had to pass you something they had this whole routine of passing it to you in both hands with open palms while bowing. It took about 30 minutes just for everyone to exchange business cards.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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Westendlad said:
What a load of bollocks. Australian women never shake hands with another women.....? When was the last time you've seen two women shake hands ? In Russia its only acceptable to shake hands with the same same gender ? No shit sherlock........
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I saw two women shake hands at work yesterday, it's not exactly something weird.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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Westendlad said:
Really....What other cultures don't shake hands ?
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I really don’t think I’ve met anyone so lagging behind in adjusting to the shrinking world more than you westendlad. I have to say though in some ways I find that endearing. It’s sweet, aww.
 
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Macca

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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It might be too late to ask but what's the protocol on grabbing a Peruvian lesbians tits?
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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Macca said:
It might be too late to ask but what's the protocol on grabbing a Peruvian lesbians tits?
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Perfectly acceptable, but you may have to accept the dig in the jaw as the customary response.
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 17, 2018
  • #21
skybluetony176 said:
We had some customers visit work from Vietnam a couple of years ago and not only would they not shake hands when they had to pass you something they had this whole routine of passing it to you in both hands with open palms while bowing. It took about 30 minutes just for everyone to exchange business cards.
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I don't know if the Vietnamese are the same but I was told that when the Japanese pass you a business card they expect you to take a few seconds to look at it and are insulted if you don't.
They aren't pleased if you stick it in your wallet or your arse pocket without a second glance like we do here apparently.
 
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Macca

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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martcov said:
Perfectly acceptable, but you may have to accept the dig in the jaw as the customary response.
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Ooo I do like a struggler
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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Westendlad said:
What a load of bollocks. Australian women never shake hands with another women.....?
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I didn't say never, I said traditionally.
Source (first link on google, as good as any): Australia - Cultural Etiquette - e Diplomat
Shake hands with everyone present upon meeting and before leaving. Allow women to offer their hands first.
Women generally do not shake hands with other women.
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Westendlad said:
When was the last time you've seen two women shake hands ?
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WTF, what is odd about women shaking hands?
Westendlad said:
In Russia its only acceptable to shake hands with the same same gender ? No shit sherlock........
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Make up your mind, when Tony said its not just Muslim women that don't shake hands you challenged it, now you're saying women not shaking hands is the norm. Which is it?
 
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eastwoodsdustman

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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The question should be whether shaking hands is the usual thing done in Sweden as that is where she lives. If it is the done thing then she's the one in the wrong in my opinion. She's chosen to live in that country and should accept their way of doing things.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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She sounds like an attention seeker to me.
I've shaken hands with Muslim women in and out of work with no issue.
 
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ccfctommy

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  • Aug 17, 2018
  • #26
Westendlad said:
Why ?
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Because the interview was unfairly terminated.
 

ccfctommy

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  • Aug 17, 2018
  • #27
eastwoodsdustman said:
The question should be whether shaking hands is the usual thing done in Sweden as that is where she lives. If it is the done thing then she's the one in the wrong in my opinion. She's chosen to live in that country and should accept their way of doing things.
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Or how about respect other peoples cultural beliefs?
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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ccfctommy said:
Or how about respect other peoples cultural beliefs?
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Yep thats exactly what I was saying.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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clint van damme said:
She sounds like an attention seeker to me.
I've shaken hands with Muslim women in and out of work with no issue.
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Also to dispel a few other myths

Russian men and women have shaken hands with me
Korea and Japan the same. Business cards seem a big deal to them but I’ve never looked at them.
Never really experienced any issue with it.
 
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Otis

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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clint van damme said:
I don't know if the Vietnamese are the same but I was told that when the Japanese pass you a business card they expect you to take a few seconds to look at it and are insulted if you don't.
They aren't pleased if you stick it in your wallet or your arse pocket without a second glance like we do here apparently.
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They also don't like it when you do the slanty eye thing either, apparently.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 17, 2018
  • #31
There was a Muslim girl on my Masters course and I found this out when I went to shake everyone's hand when meeting up once. Found it rude TBH.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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ccfctommy said:
Or how about respect other peoples cultural beliefs?
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Who wins out though? Your cultural beliefs or theirs?
 
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  • Aug 17, 2018
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shmmeee said:
Who wins out though? Your cultural beliefs or theirs?
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tbh when it comes to hand shaking, I don't really care.

My cultural beliefs mean I have to put somebody in a headlock for half an hour, shouting MASSIVE BAZOOKAS in their ear intermittently, on first greeting them.

I don't have many friends.
 
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ccfctommy

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  • Aug 17, 2018
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shmmeee said:
Who wins out though? Your cultural beliefs or theirs?
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Does it really matter?
 

Nick

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  • Aug 17, 2018
  • #35
In my religion we go to shake hands then move it away and inform them it was a schoolboy error.
 
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