Moussa (2 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Way too anti Barton for my liking. Thought he played a couple of intelligent balls today. Also got a bit more stuck in than he has in the past. Granted he wasn't brilliant, but he's not nearly as bad as you suggest.

Would you have preferred Barton or baker in the starting line up?

 

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[Black6Osprey]

It was really poor today. 20 minutes were okay without being great. Nice pull back for Baileys goal and after that the midfield went on holiday and our defence went into crab mode with endless sideways passing. 2nd half was worse and Prestons equaliser was clearly coming. Should have made changes earlier but we didnt. Moussa is better on left for me with a licence to drfit inside, Baker should have started and Wood and Edge played too far apart for me today. preston should have equalised in the first half when they hit the bar or when they had the chance from inside the 6 yard box but turned and shot weakly. Then another clear header in the second half they should have netted. Yes, we had a chance late on which we should have taken but overall we were lucky to get anything out of today. Also disagree a bit with Robins making out today we tried to play and Preston hoofed it. Overall Preston probably played the better football and we certainly hoofed it aimlessly at times so we need to look closer to home rather than criticising other teams.

 

[hill83]

Would you have preferred Barton or baker in the starting line up?

Baker.

All day long.

Barton was in there because of his performance last week, which is a good thing for the manager to do as it encourages players to step up. But for me, Baker should have been back in on the right, and Moussa in the middle. We got found out today because of this.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

He over hit the pass, Barton proved today why he is useless in some game. It just wasn't his type of game, Preston were blood and thunder in your faces and Barton didn't want to know. Not sure why Robins played him, his heading is pitiful

I think you are dismissing Preston an looking through your sky blue glasses. They don't play a great style but they will give anyone a tough game an if you beat them it will be well earned hard fought win.
We were fortunate to draw

I'm not dismissing them, a draw was fair, we played poorly.

Barton isn't useless, sure he wasn't great, but who was? The midfield, on the whole wasn't great, Jennings is the only man I can say 'fair play, you did your job', Bailey was decent at defending but going forward, didn't play as well as he can - he got the goal, fair play, but still can do a lot better. His heading is poor, but our long balls were poor whoever they went to, Sheff wouldn't have done better in that department, none of them would've. Our heading is poor as a team bar our CBs. Also, he didn't get much time on the ball, unfortunately.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Would you have preferred Barton or baker in the starting line up?

Baker > Barton, but Barton > McSheffrey.

Baker Barton Moussa

 

[Baginton]

good management from Robbins leaving Baker out, but bad in putting Moussa out there... Baker, who added nothing to the game when he came on by the way, losing posession within minutes (not the first time recently) and overhit passes, I really dont see what people like in him, except the odd super goal, which dosent make him a good player.

we have no fit replacement on the right midfiled and that is a shame

Edje was shit again maybe time to give Cameron another run out!

Christie had a few games now where he isnt coming forward, is he ill ?

as always we could all see the equaliser coming, it was only a matter of time.

A second half to forget, well done Preston for not dropping your heads, a deserved point for the travelling fans.

anyone think the recall of Elliott is the big plan post McGoldrick? why didnt he bury that header at the end, so so close.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Baker.

All day long.

Barton was in there because of his performance last week, which is a good thing for the manager to do as it encourages players to step up. But for me, Baker should have been back in on the right, and Moussa in the middle. We got found out today because of this.

Moussa would've been on the left with McSheffrey behind McG if Baker was brought straight back in.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

He can. He applied himself well today. A 7 put of 10 performance.

Only player who deserves a 7 is Adams, rest of them, 5/6 max

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

Baker > Barton, but Barton > McSheffrey.

Baker Barton Moussa

thanks for clearing that up..?

 

[Grendel]

Only player who deserves a 7 is Adams, rest of them, 5/6 max

Including the 2 centre halves? Thought they did well. Mcsheffrey was the pick of attacking midfielders. You agree surely?

 

[hill83]

Moussa would've been on the left with McSheffrey behind McG if Baker was brought straight back in.

Possibly, but not the way I think we should, or would have done it if Baker was straight back in. Sheffers provides more width and Moussa provides more bite in the middle.

 

[Grendel]

Possibly, but not the way I think we should, or would have done it if Baker was straight back in. Sheffers provides more width and Moussa provides more bite in the middle.

Yes. Baker on the right and moussa for Barton would have been better.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Possibly, but not the way I think we should, or would have done it if Baker was straight back in. Sheffers provides more width and Moussa provides more bite in the middle.

But if Baker was brought back in, it would've been the same as Walsall, which was Sheff behind McG.

 

[stupot07]

But Taylor you said yourself you missed the first 30 mins, so you can only rate the performance on the 60 mins you actually saw not theme tire performance.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Including the 2 centre halves? Thought they did well. Mcsheffrey was the pick of attacking midfielders. You agree surely?

6 for Wood and Edj, they were ok, nothing special, just coped for 76m.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

But Taylor you said yourself you missed the first 30 mins, so you can only rate the performance on the 60 mins you actually saw not theme tire performance.

I've read the match report, so I can somewhat make a decision, after all, I can only judge what I can see, and that's what I've done.

 

[stupot07]

I've read the match report, so I can somewhat make a decision, after all, I can only judge what I can see, and that's what I've done.

You read the match report yet didn't know that sheff had actually provided the assist for Baileys goal, you said he 'nearly' set up a goal.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You read the match report yet didn't know that sheff had actually provided the assist for Baileys goal, you said he 'nearly' set up a goal.

I read it after that comment. In fairness.

Seems people forgot that Barton made some early contributions as well

"Preston produced the first threat, Joe Murphy scrambling to parry Lee Holmes’s skidding 25-yarder, but City responded with Barton twice prominent. His superb pass inside the full-back saw Gary McSheffrey fire over a low cross that just evaded David McGoldrick and the Sky Blues were again denied by inches when Blair Adams’s shot almost fell perfectly for Barton just outside the six-yard box."


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[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I'm not dismissing them, a draw was fair, we played poorly.

Barton isn't useless, sure he wasn't great, but who was? The midfield, on the whole wasn't great, Jennings is the only man I can say 'fair play, you did your job', Bailey was decent at defending but going forward, didn't play as well as he can - he got the goal, fair play, but still can do a lot better. His heading is poor, but our long balls were poor whoever they went to, Sheff wouldn't have done better in that department, none of them would've. Our heading is poor as a team bar our CBs. Also, he didn't get much time on the ball, unfortunately.

I can assure you today Barton was useless, his heading is far worse than just poor. Even for a big man if he can't header the ball his size alone should make him a problem for the opposition defence, it doesn't. He made about 5 passes the entire game today and that was all, no dribbles, no headers, no tackles, no shots, no crosses. We would have had more enjoy from Sheff playing centrally and lumping the balls into the channels for him to chase

I'm not sure what Robins was trying with Barton but it clearly didn't work

 

[skybluesteve76]

Moussa needs to be in the middle with baker on the right as usual.
I can understand why Barton started because he did very well at Donny but he's not a guaranteed week in week out starter for me.
Maybe everyone had a bit of an off day, it happens!

 

[stupot07]

I read it after that comment. In fairness.

Seems people forgot that Barton made some early contributions as well

"Preston produced the first threat, Joe Murphy scrambling to parry Lee Holmes’s skidding 25-yarder, but City responded with Barton twice prominent. His superb pass inside the full-back saw Gary McSheffrey fire over a low cross that just evaded David McGoldrick and the Sky Blues were again denied by inches when Blair Adams’s shot almost fell perfectly for Barton just outside the six-yard box."


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No we didn't forget that, two nice passes and 1 side in to try and get on the end of Adams shot was pretty much his entire contribution in the match. He Is a luxury player in a physical match like today's.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

No we didn't forget that, two nice passes and 1 side in to try and get on the end of Adams shot was pretty much his entire contribution in the match. He Is a luxury player in a physical match like today's.

He had a bad day, like the rest of the team, even McG was pretty shit.

Give 'em a break, Barton is a good player, good enough to start for CCFC.

It is easy to pick out Barton, he is talented, and will be a great signing.

 

[stupot07]

He had a bad day, like the rest of the team, even McG was pretty shit.

Give 'em a break, Barton is a good player, good enough to start for CCFC.

It is easy to pick out Barton, he is talented, and will be a great signing.

But you are so anti sheffers that you can't admit that he was our most attacking threat today, however that is probably understandable ad you missed the first 30 mins.

Barton has potential but at the moment he is not good enough to command a place in the starting line up, and will be back on the bench Boxing Day.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

He had a bad day, like the rest of the team, even McG was pretty shit.

Give 'em a break, Barton is a good player, good enough to start for CCFC.

It is easy to pick out Barton, he is talented, and will be a great signing.

Today wasn't the right type of game for him, Robins knew what to expect from Preston so he is at fault for selecting him

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I can assure you today Barton was useless, his heading is far worse than just poor. Even for a big man if he can't header the ball his size alone should make him a problem for the opposition defence, it doesn't. He made about 5 passes the entire game today and that was all, no dribbles, no headers, no tackles, no shots, no crosses. We would have had more enjoy from Sheff playing centrally and lumping the balls into the channels for him to chase

I'm not sure what Robins was trying with Barton but it clearly didn't work

Who's heading was good today? McSheffrey, wasn't too long ago when everyone was saying he's the worst header of the ball, Baker is shit at heading, so is Moussa, tell me, who is good at heading in our team, who'd fit in that role!?

Barton isn't meant to be a Clive Platt, his size is irrelevant, he likes to get the ball on deck and pass it, he didn't have many chances to do so.

He wasn't the only under performer out there.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Today wasn't the right type of game for him, Robins knew what to expect from Preston so he is at fault for selecting him

We under performed, on our day, he and the others would've passed that team to death and we would've stuck 3-4 past them.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

But you are so anti sheffers that you can't admit that he was our most attacking threat today, however that is probably understandable ad you missed the first 30 mins.

Barton has potential but at the moment he is not good enough to command a place in the starting line up, and will be back on the bench Boxing Day.

I think if I had seen the 30m I would have been less harsh on McSheffrey.

I agree with on the point that he has potential and hasn't made that position his, I think he will, and I said, based on the Donny and Walsall game, I thought, Barton should start and McSheffrey on the bench, Baker to start, I'll stand by that.

As for now, I don't really have a leg to stand on, but I trust MR to pick a team to go out and beat Stevenage, which I think we will beat them, and MKD.

I hope our home form picks up after the Shrewsbury and Tranmere games, 2 winnable games.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Who's heading was good today? McSheffrey, wasn't too long ago when everyone was saying he's the worst header of the ball, Baker is shit at heading, so is Moussa, tell me, who is good at heading in our team, who'd fit in that role!?

Barton isn't meant to be a Clive Platt, his size is irrelevant, he likes to get the ball on deck and pass it, he didn't have many chances to do so.

He wasn't the only under performer out there.

At least they would put the opposition defender under pressure

Barton either stands and watches the opposition head it away under no pressure, if he does challenge for it he will jump 5 minutes too early and the ball will be arriving when he is touching the ground as he reaches the ground he will bend his knees so he actually ends up lower than his standing height when the ball arrives

Yes size is irrelevant if you are Barton because he doesn't know how to use or apply his size, a major flaw in his game. Even the silky players who are big know how to handle themselves physically like Ibrahimovic

I agree about the point he didn't have a chance to pass the ball, read above comment about the game not being right for him

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

We under performed, on our day, he and the others would've passed that team to death and we would've stuck 3-4 past them.

Preston wouldn't have allowed us to, we underperformed only because Preston made us. They made the game scrappy and dragged us down to there level of football, it wasn't the right game for Barton.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

At least they would put the opposition defender under pressure

Barton either stands and watches the opposition head it away under no pressure, if he does challenge for it he will jump 5 minutes too early and the ball will be arriving when he is touching the ground as he reaches the ground he will bend his knees so he actually ends up lower than his standing height when the ball arrives

Yes size is irrelevant if you are Barton because he doesn't know how to use or apply his size, a major flaw in his game. Even the silky players who are big know how to handle themselves physically like Ibrahimovic

I agree about the point he didn't have a chance to pass the ball, read above comment about the game not being right for him

I'm sorry, but did you see the times we lumped it to the wings, Christie and Moussa didn't even challenge their lad therein at least 2 occasions in approx 5 m! You're not talking sense, no one, no where challenged them in the air, McG? No, Moussa? No, Christie? No, McSheffrey? No, Adams? No, Barton? No. I rest my case for that point.

Your point about Ibba is completely irrelevant, Ibba is a top 3 best striker in the world, he needs to be complete, and he's a striker, he needs, somewhat, to be good at heading! Barton plays in L1, and isn't a striker, is a midfielder who doesn't need to use his size because his game is to play football, not hoofball.

I read the comment, I disagree with it, I'm saying, if we had a good day, Barton, Moussa, McSheff, Bailey and co. would've passed PNE to death and we would've stuck 3-4 past them, I'm saying the team, as a whole, played shit and we couldn't bring players like McG and Barton into the game, not because PNE wasn't the right game for us, or more specifically, Barton, we just had an off day and they exploited that.

Ibba = Ibrahimovic, sorry, he's one of my favourite players so that's my nickname for him.

 

[hill83]

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I'm sorry, but did you see the times we lumped it to the wings, Christie and Moussa didn't even challenge their lad therein at least 2 occasions in approx 5 m! You're not talking sense, no one, no where challenged them in the air, McG? No, Moussa? No, Christie? No, McSheffrey? No, Adams? No, Barton? No. I rest my case for that point.

Your point about Ibba is completely irrelevant, Ibba is a top 3 best striker in the world, he needs to be complete, and he's a striker, he needs, somewhat, to be good at heading! Barton plays in L1, and isn't a striker, is a midfielder who doesn't need to use his size because his game is to play football, not hoofball.

I read the comment, I disagree with it, I'm saying, if we had a good day, Barton, Moussa, McSheff, Bailey and co. would've passed PNE to death and we would've stuck 3-4 past them, I'm saying the team, as a whole, played shit and we couldn't bring players like McG and Barton into the game, not because PNE wasn't the right game for us, or more specifically, Barton, we just had an off day and they exploited that,

So you are saying to compete physically you need to be a top 3 striker, thats nonsense even for you. Also do you just dismiss every point you disagree with as irrelevant?
As a midfielder using your size is just as important, a major flaw in his game

Preston are a very physical side, Barton is not a very physical player. Therefore it wasn't the right game for him

All the mentioned players competed better than Barton, Barton just waves the ball by as it passes over his head

We didn't help Barton by going long but Preston made us play that way and Robins should have known that beforehand and picked a more appropriate side. it's not as if our passing was abysmal today and we were misplacing them constantly. It was that Preston weren't allowing us any space to pass the ball. If you think on another day we would have passed them to death and scored 4 goals you are mistaken. Preston would rather kick the shit out of the opposition and grapple the players to the ground before they allow you to play pretty triangles past them, any game against Preston will be a scrappy game

We would have been better off today playing with Sheff off Mcgoldrick today and trying to get Sheff in behind the Preston defence and get the defence turning towards there own goal

 

[Waldorf]

I think we tend to forget there were two teams on the pitch. Preston broke the game up, stopped us playing as we know we can, and all credit to them. It's not that we didn't play well, so much as we weren't allowed to.

 

[covcity4life]

If we had played a passing Barton would have made a difference but we didn't

Still think we can assert a passing game vs them in the jpt

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

If we had played a passing Barton would have made a difference but we didn't

Still think we can assert a passing game vs them in the jpt

I agree with the first point, if we were able to pass Barton could have made a difference, the way we played didn't help Barton but I think it was more Preston forcing us to play that way. Not so sure about point 2