I grasp it, I disagree with it.
It does not matter one single iota how good the "matchday experience" is, if we are not winning then nothing will work, at least not outside of a one-off match.
Are you saying that this "matchday experience" is more important than whats on the pitch or something?
I don't think any of them are Premier League quality yet and Championship clubs are broke.I think we've done really well to retain the likes of Hamer, O'hare and Dabo.
Or maybe no one was interested
Look at wasps and what they do on a match day and yet they still have to give away free tickets to get people in
Let me ask you an question;
Why do you think football fans favor certain away matches over others?
Is it to do with whether they think we can get a result, (what's on the pitch) or is it to do with which ones are a fun day out? (match-day experience)
"marketing", "strategy", "end goal", "establishing the brand", devalued the product", "demographic", "tactic", "matchday experience", "interactive"
Get the team winning and you can forget all your buzzwords and business school jargon, it will not be needed. How far have Wasps got with their "matchday experience" tactics and their endless assault on the city to try and attract fans in?
Like I said, the single biggest factor is the momentum the team has.
I'll ask you something- is it coincidence that we took more away fans in L1 (and maybe even some L2?) than we did in the Premier League?
We often used to take a couple of hundred to huge Premier League grounds where this 'matchday experience' was heavily invested in, yet we took a few thousand everywhere in L1 and quite a few in L2. A bit of it was the novelty factor, but mainly because the team gave the fans belief that we were on the up.
Did you fall asleep in the 70s and just suddenly wake up?
No club operates on that logic alone.
I think you are assuming that everyone thinks just as you do about what you want from the day. Yes the result is obviously the biggy, but there is so much more to it than that, these are social events. To suggest that nothing else matters is simplistic to the point of idiocy.
Don't necessarily agree with that. I saw Walker as a marquee signing last season and that wasn't astronomical.
Admittedly we've spent a similar sum on Gyokeres this summer but he didn't pull up trees when here even if he does have the potential to.
I think a lot of us just want that one player through the door that makes you go wow and really look forward to seeing them in action and it just doesn't seem to have come off this summer.
Oh ok, lets not try and pull in bigger crowds then, I mean we don't need the money, lets wait until we are top 6.
You do football differently to me then. As much as I want to win, the experience of the day, meeting up with mates, a good atmosphere etc is all part of the day. If I went to watch a team win I would make a trip to the Etihad.Sorry but this is nonsense- the only "matchday experience" that people ultimately care about is the feeling of walking out the ground having seen us win, and even better win well.
You can do anything you want and nothing will ever work if you're not winning, if you're winning you don't need to bother with too much else.
Well one out of two isn’t too bad. Thank god for mates I say.You do football differently to me then. As much as I want to win, the experience of the day, meeting up with mates, a good atmosphere etc is all part of the day. If I went to watch a team win I would make a trip to the Etihad.
You do football differently to me then. As much as I want to win, the experience of the day, meeting up with mates, a good atmosphere etc is all part of the day. If I went to watch a team win I would make a trip to the Etihad.
By winning...?Yes I get all that, all fine.
But meeting up with mates, a good atmosphere- how is the club supposed to influence that?
I grasp it, I disagree with it.
It does not matter one single iota how good the "matchday experience" is, if we are not winning then nothing will work, at least not outside of a one-off match.
Are you saying that this "matchday experience" is more important than whats on the pitch or something?
By winning...?
My first match I remember very little of the actual football. Kilcline scoring a penalty is about it. But I remember the car being parked close to the ground and walking up towards the stadium. I remember walking to the front of the terrace and putting our little crate down to stand on so I could see over the wall. I remember the people slowly filtering in behind us and the noise of the chanting and singing building. The smell of pies and chips and the flask of tea. There's plenty of games since I can't remember a single thing about.
Of course how the team does on the pitch will be paramount to ongoing success at the turnstiles, but it is so much more than that that makes it an 'experience' and creates an interest that for many will last a lifetime and feel almost a strong a bond as family and friends.
Yes, and the more the match day experience is improved, the more people will be 'going to the match anyway'. Can you honestly not grasp that?
Parking is a right rip off tbf.I would think if you asked people what puts you off going 2 things will come up
Price
Parking and accessibility
Not fan zones, face painting and throw a sponge at sky blue Sam
By putting on a decent match day experience? I know you don't like the phrase. But the Ricoh matchday experience has largely been awful. Not all of it is their fault for example I have mentioned several times before but a train for me is 2 hours and its 25 minute drive. Despite shit crowds the entire experience at St Andrews was largely better. Even stuff like the new Sky Blue Tavern and busses to and from adds something more than just rocking up to a soulless bowl with circa 14,000 other fans supporting the same team as you. Hopefully the new sports bar also adds to it, and Dhillons Brewery expanding. Use the Arena as a pre-match fan park like they did as a one-off for the Accrington game the other year. Get people around the ground earlier for a bit of build up, not 90% of the ground rocking up at 2.50 and causing traffic james at the turnstiles.Yes I get all that, all fine.
But meeting up with mates, a good atmosphere- how is the club supposed to influence that?
By putting on a decent match day experience? I know you don't like the phrase. But the Ricoh matchday experience has largely been awful. Not all of it is their fault for example I have mentioned several times before but a train for me is 2 hours and its 25 minute drive. Despite shit crowds the entire experience at St Andrews was largely better. Even stuff like the new Sky Blue Tavern and busses to and from adds something more than just rocking up to a soulless bowl with circa 14,000 other fans supporting the same team as you. Hopefully the new sports bar also adds to it, and Dhillons Brewery expanding. Use the Arena as a pre-match fan park like they did as a one-off for the Accrington game the other year. Get people around the ground earlier for a bit of build up, not 90% of the ground rocking up at 2.50 and causing traffic james at the turnstiles.
There are some people who just turn up to watch 90 minutes of football which is fine, but there are many who want to make a day of it, whether it's having the options for places to drink around the ground, decent stuff for kids to get involved in (I believe there is a group who do an excellent job of this by the way, but my daughters not old enough for me to have any experience of). I am (un)lucky enough to have mates who are Villa, Arsenal, Blues season ticket holders so have accompanied them to plenty of games before and all of them feel like "going to the football". The Ricoh has never given me that. The club at least look like they're doing something to address that so it isn't all bad. There have been countless away days I have done where we have lost, but we've got on the train or in the car and still enjoyed our day out. Again, St Andrews was always a great day out (granted it helps our results were good), and I am hopeful that the club have listened to fans, learned from it and in the future will hopefully look to grow that.
Thank you. Everything I wanted to say but couldn't be arsed to type.
Whilst I do agree I think the club probably should do more to put themselves out there I don't think they necessarily need to replicate Wasps' marketing spend as the club's strategy will be different as will be their end goal. For Wasps it was about establishing their brand but it failed miserably. One of the reasons behind this is my view was that they totally devalued their product by constantly giving away free tickets. So, I'd really rather not do that as it doesn't work.
I do think we should be doing far more to get the players in schools though and focus heavily on this demographic. If they convince the kids to come then their friends, parents, wider relatives will come also. It's a pretty simple tactic and something the club haven't been great at in the past.
They definitely should do more to increase the match day experience and make the day more interactive for fans.
Forget I said wasps. Try MK Dons. Sorry I know it triggers people on here but clubs who have moved location are obviously the best case studies.
And I don’t think anyone is thinking Wasps is a premium product.
. Cheers for the advice Rob, just been arrested in St Nicholas Park...... I'm stuck at work for another hour, but the rest of you, have a beer, have a wank, enjoy the sun whilst you can!
Are they not a big deal in the world of rugby?
Do you think they're the best case studies? They're the best case studies for clubs wanting to establish a presence from nothing but... are they the best case studies for clubs with a legacy, with a sedimented cultural history?Forget I said wasps. Try MK Dons. Sorry I know it triggers people on here but clubs who have moved location are obviously the best case studies.
And I don’t think anyone is thinking Wasps is a premium product.
You may well be right about MR's approach to big names.
Forget I said wasps. Try MK Dons. Sorry I know it triggers people on here but clubs who have moved location are obviously the best case studies.
And I don’t think anyone is thinking Wasps is a premium product.
Forget I said wasps. Try MK Dons. Sorry I know it triggers people on here but clubs who have moved location are obviously the best case studies.
And I don’t think anyone is thinking Wasps is a premium product.
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