Meeting with Joy Seppala & Dave Boddy - Thursday 27th February 2020 (4 Viewers)

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

shmmeee said:
Fucking hell. And people say I need to step away.

I'm not wrong though am I?

You are on this thread telling everybody else what they are thinking, how they all believe SISU, how nobody wants us in Coventry and how Mark and Pete are no different to the Trust etc. Ironic really. You try to make out it's not relevant all of the time when you have meltdowns but it was relevant when you thought I was getting free season tickets and had links to SISU?

You probably need to step away and start with some basic research. You are acting no better than those twats on social media setting up loads of strange accounts. (Before you say it, it's not a conspiracy....)

covcity4life · Mar 4, 2020

Look shmee this has gone on long enuff. 4 hours of arguing is not healthy for anyone. I get what ur saying but it feels like if wasps said change ya kit to black and yellow stripes and your badge to a wasp killing an elephant and you can come back to ricoh today you would say "well why wont sisu do this to come home?! Wasps are giving us a chance here". But no questions of is it a unfair demand we should agree to?

mark82 · Mar 4, 2020

hopesprings said:
I am still struggling with this concept. Not disagreeing just wanting to be able to understand how a purchaser can be made to pay more than was agreed by the vendor. Surely it is the vendors problem...EU say WASPS got it on the cheap but HOW can they force the price up... is that how the law works ?

IF the case was successful that would be my understanding. Wasps would have to pay as it's essentially ruled as public funds that should've been paid. Seems mad penalising a private business that have not done anything directly wrong (speaking generally about such cases), but that seems to be how the law works.

shmmeee · Mar 4, 2020

mark82 said:
It was both, and they were challenged. Maybe we've done it less aggressively than you would have, but I'm going to do me. Pete will be himself. If you want things doing your way, then the best person to do it is you. We can't please everyone, but most seem happy with what has been asked and we will follow up with any further questions that haven't already been asked.

Well have to agree to disagree on this one. You call it aggressive. I call it challenge. Potato potahto. I am always doing me, I can’t do no one else.

Sorry if I’ve misunderstood but both you and Pete have said you didn’t want to question responses straight away and the main aim was setting up a meeting. Didn’t mean to misrepresent. More meant to be a mea culpa that i had got the wrong end of the stick and had incorrect expectations.

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

Interesting how the Telegraph have spun it about Duggins.

It cuts out his smarmy comments and just says "Duggins says it is of SISU's making".

shmmeee · Mar 4, 2020

covcity4life said:
Look shmee this has gone on long enuff. 4 hours of arguing is not healthy for anyone. I get what ur saying but it feels like if wasps said change ya kit to black and yellow stripes and your badge to a wasp killing an elephant and you can come back to ricoh today you would say "well why wont sisu do this to come home?! Wasps are giving us a chance here". But no questions of is it a unfair demand we should agree to?

I guess we just disagree on what an unfair demand is. Indemnity? Definitely unfair, I think we both agree on that. Sisu sending a letter they think won’t do anything? I think that’s worth a shot is all.

And I live for arguments. This is barely even a scuffle

SkyBlueDom26 · Mar 4, 2020

'This is Sisu's making' - Council leader speaks out after Joy Seppala meets fans

Disgraceful

shmmeee · Mar 4, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
'This is Sisu's making' - Council leader speaks out after Joy Seppala meets fans

Disgraceful

Not good enough.

Grendel · Mar 4, 2020

mark82 said:
IF the case was successful that would be my understanding. Wasps would have to pay as it's essentially ruled as public funds that should've been paid. Seems mad penalising a private business that have not done anything directly wrong (speaking generally about such cases), but that seems to be how the law works.

Wasps would if they’d had their head screwed on had some clauses put it to protect themselves - it’s hardly a secret the company was already experiencing litigation issues

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 4, 2020

shmmeee said:
I think the long and short of 22 pages is: this wasn’t a meeting to challenge them. It was an attempt to build relationships with the view to setting up a meeting between Joy and Derek.

Those of us who want questions answering will just have to carry on ranting into the void.

I think that’s bang on. That’s certainly what my priorities were. I suppose the other concrete outcomes were 1) An invite to be on the supporters group as our forum is seen as part of the supporter groups that the club wants to continue to engage with. 2) Speaking purely on my behalf I was gobsmacked by the openness and depth of discussion that we were able to have and to share with forum members

usskyblue · Mar 4, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
'This is Sisu's making' - Council leader speaks out after Joy Seppala meets fans

Disgraceful

Like I said earlier, I hope the EC complaint is upheld and they get shafted.

shmmeee · Mar 4, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
I think that’s bang on. That’s certainly what my priorities were. I suppose the other concrete outcomes were 1) An invite to be on the supporters group as our forum is seen as part of the supporter groups that the club wants to continue to engage with. 2) Speaking purely on my behalf I was gobsmacked by the openness and depth of discussion that were able to have and to share with forum members

As I say I think my frustration was borne from a misunderstanding of the objectives of your group. From the initial statement I thought it was about “holding all parties to account” and read this with that eye, looking for account as it were. From a perspective of bridge building, it’s a cracking success. And as I say those of us who want to hold someone to account (anyone by the looks of it) will just have to hold tight.

IrishSkyBlue · Mar 4, 2020

as i said earlier in the thread, pete and mark have to go into this with a level head to all parties and approach it with questions not to piss them off but to find common ground try get answers and get everyone moving in the right direction!

chiefdave · Mar 4, 2020

Grendel said:
Wasps would if they’d had their head screwed on had some clauses put it to protect themselves - it’s hardly a secret the company was already experiencing litigation issues

I can't believe this wouldn't have come up, Wasps legal team would have had to be incompetent beyond belief to have missed it. So the only conclusion you can really draw is that it was refused.

In turn that leads you to then question why.

chiefdave · Mar 4, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
'This is Sisu's making' - Council leader speaks out after Joy Seppala meets fans

Disgraceful

Makes me laugh that Gilbert in the past moaned about people on the forum posting quotes from the Telegraph but they will lift things off here without a second thought.

Odd that there is no mention of him being questioned on the economic value to the city.

The Reverend Skyblue · Mar 4, 2020

"It's their fault, not ours" attitude make me despise Coventry council.
Do they actually believe they've done nothing wrong, going behinds Sisu's back to negotiate a price for the stadium on top of giving them a whopping 250 year lease, that was not offered to the club.
Come on they are seriously deluded, I think until a council change no one could work with this lot. Hate them to my core.

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
I think that’s bang on. That’s certainly what my priorities were. I suppose the other concrete outcomes were 1) An invite to be on the supporters group as our forum is seen as part of the supporter groups that the club wants to continue to engage with. 2) Speaking purely on my behalf I was gobsmacked by the openness and depth of discussion that we were able to have and to share with forum members

That's the thing, it isn't the end of anything. As long as you and Mark are OK to continue then you can be at the club meetings with other fan groups etc.

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 4, 2020

shmmeee said:
As I say I think my frustration was borne from a misunderstanding of the objectives of your group. From the initial statement I thought it was about “holding all parties to account” and read this with that eye, looking for account as it were. From a perspective of bridge building, it’s a cracking success. And as I say those of us who want to hold someone to account (anyone by the looks of it) will just have to hold tight.

That’s better hold tight. You said to me that this was too important to piss about arguing or making statements on twitter and winning points and I completely agree. The one thing we can do is getting Derek and Joy to sort out playing in Coventry. Then we can ask about stadium or not and then about finances. And maybe one day in the future we can just argue about whether burge’s level is league 1 or below

shmmeee · Mar 4, 2020

The Reverend Skyblue said:
"It's their fault, not ours" attitude make me despise Coventry council.
Do they actually believe they've done nothing wrong, going behinds Sisu's back to negotiate a price for the stadium on top of giving them a whopping 250 year lease, that was not offered to the club.
Come on they are seriously deluded, I think until a council change no one could work with this lot. Hate them to my core.

It’s the lack of follow up that bothers me. Duggins is a blase twat who gets your back up at the best of times, but why didn’t whoever was talking to him ask what he wants a Sisu to do? Is he saying the council are now refusing to help them find a ground after previously saying they would?

The frustrating thing with all sides is we get these half answers that are never followed up. Wasps: what legals? Sisu: What have you actually promised to drop? Do we want the Ricoh? What’s the hold up with the ground? CCC Will you help? What do you think Sisu can do?

It’s always just a one line cryptic quote and then fuck all for months while we all argue the details like fucking religious scholars.

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
one day in the future we can just argue about whether burge’s level is league 1 or below

Don't push your luck!

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 4, 2020

I quite like that article. It absolutely says that Duggins doesn’t give a toss about the club

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

shmmeee said:
It’s the lack of follow up that bothers me. Duggins is a blase twat who gets your back up at the best of times, but why didn’t whoever was talking to him ask what he wants a Sisu to do? Is he saying the council are now refusing to help them find a ground after previously saying they would?

Pete is following it up?

IrishSkyBlue · Mar 4, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s better hold tight. You said to me that this was too important to piss about arguing or making statements on twitter and winning points and I completely agree. The one thing we can do is getting Derek and Joy to sort out playing in Coventry. Then we can ask about stadium or not and then about finances. And maybe one day in the future we can just argue about whether burge’s level is league 1 or below

thats it one step at a time, get us back first create relationships with them then you can push slighlty on joy about the new stadium, these things take time to build relationships so you can get the answers you want eventually!

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
I quite like that article. It absolutely says that Duggins doesn’t give a toss about the club

They missed out the bits about economic impact though Doesn't really show that hes more bothered about getting one over than potentially millions a year into the local economy.

shmmeee · Mar 4, 2020

IrishSkyBlue said:
thats it one step at a time, get us back first create relationships with them then you can push slighlty on joy about the new stadium, these things take time to build relationships so you can get the answers you want eventually!

That would be fine if we weren’t about to head into possibly our most important season ever. I really fear we are fucked playing at St Andrews in the Championship. Things need sorting now.

That’s not a dig. Just frustration at all this.

bradwellskyblues · Mar 4, 2020

Sky blue pete well done on your meeting and i hope only posative things come out of it, have you made any approach to Mr Richardson yet

Gibbo · Mar 4, 2020

oldskyblue58 said:
yes thats probably a better estimate fp

Inflation since 2007 alone would put the price up on the Shrewsbury stadium by 139% to 20.5m

Although given how many stadia are being built, is there likely to be some innovation in prefabrication that caps it a bit?

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 4, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
I quite like that article. It absolutely says that Duggins doesn’t give a toss about the club

Not Sisu it says he doesn’t give a toss about ccfc

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 4, 2020

Nick said:
Pete is following it up?

Mark and I are hoping to meet with George Duggins very soon

IrishSkyBlue · Mar 4, 2020

shmmeee said:
That would be fine if we weren’t about to head into possibly our most important season ever. I really fear we are fucked playing at St Andrews in the Championship. Things need sorting now.

That’s not a dig. Just frustration at all this.

i get what you mean, pete and mark cant just demand or force there hands best let them do it the right way so we all parties trust them get the answers we want and get what we all want which back to coventry and our own stadium. it sucks i know weve waited years but patient is key we can only do so much as fans i feel mark and pete are off to a good start for the forum.

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 4, 2020

Nick said:
They missed out the bits about economic impact though Doesn't really show that hes more bothered about getting one over than potentially millions a year into the local economy.

Have emailed the story writer to make that point

shmmeee · Mar 4, 2020

Nick said:
Pete is following it up?

I mean in the articles. It’s always the same. We always come out with more questions than answers and no further forward when we all know the follow up questions that are needed.

Reading back it seems I’ve misunderstood and this was a report on Pete’s contact? God knows. Fucking CET reporting.

skyblueinBaku · Mar 4, 2020

Whatever the outcome, Pete and Mark have done a great job in trying to get bridges built and having a seat at the Supprters Club table, which will show that the Trust isn't the definitive voaice of CCFC fans. Remember that Lao Tzu said "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step". Mark and Pete have taken that first step.

clint van damme · Mar 4, 2020

Is sisu leave tomorrow I hope if Duggins ever attempts to go to a city game he get a sky blue smoke bomb rammed up his arse.

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

shmmeee said:
I mean in the articles. It’s always the same. We always come out with more questions than answers and no further forward when we all know the follow up questions that are needed.

Reading back it seems I’ve misunderstood and this was a report on Pete’s contact? God knows. Fucking CET reporting.

Yeah, they have missed things out from it. It was Pete emailing him and he does plan to meet him to follow it up.

While Pete may be a Burge lover, I have more confidence in him than I have in most for a while when it comes to stuff like this.

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