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Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #71
Fuck me. And i get told i talk bollocks


Without Godden we're bottom with 1 point

Wanting to drop the keague top scorer as hes 'in the way' of a man with 0 goals and assists in 7 id the most retarded view i think I've ever heard
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #72
Saddlebrains said:
Fuck me. And i get told i talk bollocks


Without Godden we're bottom with 1 point

Wanting to drop the keague top scorer as hes 'in the way' of a man with 0 goals and assists in 7 id the most retarded view i think I've ever heard
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Why do you think in 7 games not even a goals worth of chances have fell to anyone else?

No one is advocating dropping him now. He’s clearly scoring. But I think there’s evidence that’s hiding a bigger issue with our team.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #73
I can concede Godden isn’t as much of a nuisance as he was in L1, for defenders. But he’s still easily fulfilling his job description - this can’t be denied, as much as you weird folk are trying so hard to.

Simms should be starting alongside Godden on Monday, I won’t be very happy otherwise. Wright has been miles from good enough and should be dropped.
 
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Deity

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #74
Saddlebrains said:
Fuck me. And i get told i talk bollocks


Without Godden we're bottom with 1 point

Wanting to drop the keague top scorer as hes 'in the way' of a man with 0 goals and assists in 7 id the most retarded view i think I've ever heard
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I don’t rate Godden as highly as others but I agree you can’t drop him currently.


The logic that we would have 1 point without him is bolllcks. Someone else would have played and probably scored, maybe less, maybe more, but to suggest that you just remove the goals is clearly illogical.
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #75
shmmeee said:
Just to trigger Evo some more: Godden hasn’t even hit his xG this season, so even on his own terms isn’t performing particularly brilliantly.

When Godden plays the whole team is set up to get him chances, everyone else plays in service to that. Wright and Simms don’t have an xG of 2 between them. Goddens is nearly 9! It’s not like he It’s not like he’s been finishing hard chances and they’ve been missing sitters.
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Your lack of appreciation of what makes a good goalscorer continues to astound me, along with your view that Godden only scores tap ins. I presume you think Godden is just lucky in being in a position to score those tap ins. The reality however is that Godden is an instinctive goalscorer who knows how to buy a yard of space to score those tap ins. Like with other players of that ilk, that also inevitably involves missing chances too (Andy Cole missed tons of chances but was always a top scorer). Wright and Simms have not yet shown they have that same instinct, and the fact that their combined xG of under 2 goals, as opposed to Godden's 9 in the same period demonstrates that aptly. I would much rather have a striker in the team who gets in a position to score 8 goals in a 7 match period than alternatives getting in a position to score only 1 goal.
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #76
As a compromise to keep everyone happy, Godden could play as wing back.

That way Godden botherers get to see him on the pitch. And Godden deniers get to see Simms and Wright up front.
 
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Deity

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #77
Legia Sky Blue said:
Your lack of appreciation of what makes a good goalscorer continues to astound me, along with your view that Godden only scores tap ins. I presume you think Godden is just lucky in being in a position to score those tap ins. The reality however is that Godden is an instinctive goalscorer who knows how to buy a yard of space to score those tap ins. Like with other players of that ilk, that also inevitably involves missing chances too (Andy Cole missed tons of chances but was always a top scorer). Wright and Simms have not yet shown they have that same instinct, and the fact that their combined xG of under 2 goals, as opposed to Godden's 9 in the same period demonstrates that aptly. I would much rather have a striker in the team who gets in a position to score 8 goals in a 7 match period than alternatives getting in a position to score only 1 goal.
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I don’t think fans are critical of Goddens movement or instincts. It’s the fact that he contributes next to nothing to the general play which makes it easy for teams to defend against us.

We saw it last season when teams doubled up on Vik at the end of the season safe in the knowledge that Godden couldn’t run away from them, dribble past them, etc.

The comparisons to Cole are flawed because he had great pace, could run away from defenders and did therefore provide a threat. Ferguson rarely started OGS because he didn’t contribute enough to the team. A brilliant super sub.

I think Godden deserves his place in the team because of his goals but it’s a reasonable concern of fans to worry about his broader contribution to the team.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #78
Saddlebrains said:
Fuck me. And i get told i talk bollocks


Without Godden we're bottom with 1 point

Wanting to drop the keague top scorer as hes 'in the way' of a man with 0 goals and assists in 7 id the most retarded view i think I've ever heard
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How do you work that one out? Godden’s goals have only gained us 2 points, we’d be on 5 without them.
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #79
skybluecam said:
How do you work that one out? Godden’s goals have only gained us 2 points, we’d be on 5 without them.
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Because away goals count double
 
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StrettoBoy

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #80
skybluecam said:
Excellent finisher but that's about it, limited in most other aspects.
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I take your point but football matches are decided by goals scored.

In his current form he is a precious asset for us. He seems to relish having taken on the role of our number 1 striker from Vik.
 
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stevefloyd

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #81
San Francisco said:
Biggest load of crap I've read on this forum this week. We're not winning games because our midfield is shite full stop.
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Have to agree on this point, we have at the minute a midfield that would struggle to be effective in league 1 let alone push for promotion in the championship! Also think the midfield are contributing to goals conceded too.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #82
shmmeee said:
Just to trigger Evo some more: Godden hasn’t even hit his xG this season, so even on his own terms isn’t performing particularly brilliantly.

When Godden plays the whole team is set up to get him chances, everyone else plays in service to that. Wright and Simms don’t have an xG of 2 between them. Goddens is nearly 9! It’s not like he’s been finishing hard chances and they’ve been missing sitters.
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You don't trigger me , you've just moved into the category of the " don't know anything about football " fan in my head
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #83
I’ve even seen godden compared to Haaland - that’s up there with Chris Hussey as our Gareth Bale
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #84
Grendel said:
I’ve even seen godden compared to Haaland - that’s up there with Chris Hussey as our Gareth Bale
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Obviously godden isn't haaland , but as an example he scores 3 against Fulham with 17 touches , I don't care how many touches the lad has but many coventry fans keep refereeing goddens touches in match even when he scores ..

I'm sure the conversation in Manchester isn't

" when he doesn't score he does nothing "

I guess that's because he scores in 80%/90% of his matches

It's a stupid argument to have for a striker
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #85
There are problems all over the pitch. Porous defence, midfield unable to move the ball at more than a snail’s pace and even then usually sideways, Wright and Simms struggling for form. Godden scoring most of the chances he’s getting, which aren’t many, is not one of those problems.
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #86
skybluecam said:
How do you work that one out? Godden’s goals have only gained us 2 points, we’d be on 5 without them.
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We'd actually be on 4 points if you took out his goals. If you also took out his contribution in assists in the Middlesbrough game then we'd actually only be on 2 points, and would then be at the bottom with Sheff Wed.
 

harvey098

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #87
Grendel said:
Oh Harvey I believe it was a comment in one game against Lincoln and it wasn’t even that was it? As for Max vs Victor let’s look what really happened

Matty godden championship record at coventry

Given a full squad available it is touch and go whether Godden would be a definite starter these days and moving forward, but how often do we have that luxury? We need decent back up and Godden provides that. To adequately replace him would be much more costly than his 8k a week. MR sees value...
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Haha yeah that was a shocker from me and I couldn’t have been more wrong. Vik was one of our greatest signings in decades
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #88
harvey098 said:
Haha yeah that was a shocker from me and I couldn’t have been more wrong. Vik was one of our greatest signings in decades
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You should use it at the Edinburgh festival
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #89
I find it strange some people want to drop our top scorer to play 2 players who are finding their feet in a new team.IMO Mark will decide who the player to partner him in different games.I see people saying he contributes nothing other than score love to know stats. on ground covered by him in games in trying to win the ball back as opposed to the new players my be wrong but I think that is one of the lessons they can learn from him.
 
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procdoc

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  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #90
Are other clubs fans this thick or just ours? Let’s find a way of getting our top scorer out of the team, genius idea lads
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #91
Reading comprehension really is the curse of our times.
 

skybluecam

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  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #92
Legia Sky Blue said:
We'd actually be on 4 points if you took out his goals. If you also took out his contribution in assists in the Middlesbrough game then we'd actually only be on 2 points, and would then be at the bottom with Sheff Wed.
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How do you work that out?
We’d still have beat Boro and drawn against Sunderland and Hull. That’s 5 points.
 

Skyblueweeman

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #93
Grendel said:
When Monday comes what’s the difference between PVA and Grendel

One is at the game. The other is sitting listening to Rob gurney and looking at some boring stats website and pictures of Kasey palmer

I’ll leave the forum to work out which is which
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Please don't use the 'I go to games so my opinion is superior to yours' bullshit. That's been covered countless times on here.

People who don't go to games (hi) are entitled to an opinion and it can be as well formed as someone who goes to games regularly. I'm pretty sure there'll be plenty on here who don't go to games regularly who have decent opinions on players/team/formation and it's not questioned.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #94
Skyblueweeman said:
Please don't use the 'I go to games so my opinion is superior to yours' bullshit. That's been covered countless times on here.

People who don't go to games (hi) are entitled to an opinion and it can be as well formed as someone who goes to games regularly. I'm pretty sure there'll be plenty on here who don't go to games regularly who have decent opinions on players/team/formation and it's not questioned.
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Also some* of us go to games and haven’t a fucking clue what we’re on about.

*most
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #95
Skyblueweeman said:
Please don't use the 'I go to games so my opinion is superior to yours' bullshit. That's been covered countless times on here.
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It's preferable to you're not a fan if you don't want your top scorer dropped and your reserve keeper in the centre of midfield!!
 
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Adge

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  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #96
Skyblueweeman said:
Please don't use the 'I go to games so my opinion is superior to yours' bullshit. That's been covered countless times on here.

People who don't go to games (hi) are entitled to an opinion and it can be as well formed as someone who goes to games regularly. I'm pretty sure there'll be plenty on here who don't go to games regularly who have decent opinions on players/team/formation and it's not questioned.
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Fair-but If you haven’t been to or seen a particular game your opinion regarding the content etc of that game wouldn’t really be valid would it?
 

clint van damme

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  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #97
Adge said:
Fair-but If you haven’t been to or seen a particular game your opinion regarding the content etc of that game wouldn’t really be valid would it?
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I actually think watching at home can sometimes give you a better view.
Where it really falls down is watching running and work off the ball
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #98
Adge said:
Fair-but If you haven’t been to or seen a particular game your opinion regarding the content etc of that game wouldn’t really be valid would it?
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It would. And as CVD says, you might not necessarily see the whole pitch 100% of the time, but you can more than make an informed opinion on a game, even if you're not there.

You can also make judgements based on feedback, from reports, from peoples commentary on here etc. Not 100% perfect granted but it p*sses me off when people (and it's not just G, others have said it before) think that non-attendance invalidates opinions or makes your input less relevant.
 
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napolimp

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  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #99
shmmeee said:
Also some* of us go to games and haven’t a fucking clue what we’re on about.

*most
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Agree with this, I've always got a book with me so miss most of the game.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #100
My new st seat I see more watching the game back on ifollow than I do in the ground.
 

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #101
clint van damme said:
I actually think watching at home can sometimes give you a better view.
Where it really falls down is watching running and work off the ball
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I think it's a mixture of both. You get a better view of most the game on TV. Sometimes you see movement/runs of players in real life that you can't see on TV. I think its perfectly fine for both sets to have an opinion. If someone isn't watching full games via TV, stream, being at the ground, I would find it hard to consider their opinion as valid however.
 

Old Warwickshire lad

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  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #102
Jeez Godden, the only one scoring goals and you’re taking about dropping him.
You couldn’t make it up.
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #103
skybluecam said:
How do you work that out?
We’d still have beat Boro and drawn against Sunderland and Hull. That’s 5 points.
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Sorry I forgot about Hull. Against Boro he scored one and assisted the other 2 though so by definition his contributions gained us an extra 2 points from that game. So 3 points!
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2023
  • #104
Warwickshire lad said:
Jeez Godden, the only one scoring goals and you’re taking about dropping him.
You couldn’t make it up.
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If he picks up an injury, the moaners are going to be horrified when they watch the 2 donkeys playing together.
 
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Greggs

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2024
  • #105
Been told to find a new club, apparently. I wonder what has gone on?
 
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