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Deleted member 9744

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #36
shmmeee said:
My concern with Godden is he distorts the team and doesn’t contribute outside his goals. I think him playing is hindering Simms settling into the team and by proxy Wright as well. I honestly think we’ll be a better team without him and having him as a sticking plaster at the moment is stopping us moving forwards to a new style. I also question his value as Robins mouth on the pitch given recent comments about playing style.

You can’t drop the guy, he’s top scorer and in a good vein of form, but I do think we won’t evolve as a team until he’s injured or loses form and Simms gets a go in that role.
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I bet Man City fans feel the same about Haaland.

The sooner we get Godden and his 7 goals out and bring in the scoreless Simms the better.
 
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BlueSkiesForever

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #37
shmmeee said:
I honestly think we’ll be a better team without him and having him as a sticking plaster at the moment is stopping us moving forwards to a new style. I also question his value as Robins mouth on the pitch given recent comments about playing style.

You can’t drop the guy, he’s top scorer and in a good vein of form, but I do think we won’t evolve as a team until he’s injured or loses form and Simms gets a go in that role.
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I think this is bang on. There’s no doubt Godden is a great asset to the team and is a brilliant finisher but to move the whole team forward maybe we need to start finding a way of utilising our new strikers more effectively. It’s clearly great he’s scoring us goals but when you look at our results as a team his goals alone aren’t getting us wins. I don’t think it’s a case of “shall we drop him or shall we keep him”, I feel it’s more nuanced than that, it’s about morphing and changing into a better team over time. Maybe his goals will help in the short term, and that’s great, but maybe we need to look elsewhere for the long term, perhaps.
I don’t think there’s a clear cut answer to anything in our team atm and that’s probably why we’re sort of at a loss as to how to progress.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #38
shmmeee said:
My concern with Godden is he distorts the team and doesn’t contribute outside his goals. I think him playing is hindering Simms settling into the team and by proxy Wright as well. I honestly think we’ll be a better team without him and having him as a sticking plaster at the moment is stopping us moving forwards to a new style. I also question his value as Robins mouth on the pitch given recent comments about playing style.

You can’t drop the guy, he’s top scorer and in a good vein of form, but I do think we won’t evolve as a team until he’s injured or loses form and Simms gets a go in that role.
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Good player, great servant to the club but we won’t get promoted with him as our no.1 striker.
 
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San Francisco

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #39
shmmeee said:
My concern with Godden is he distorts the team and doesn’t contribute outside his goals. I think him playing is hindering Simms settling into the team and by proxy Wright as well. I honestly think we’ll be a better team without him and having him as a sticking plaster at the moment is stopping us moving forwards to a new style. I also question his value as Robins mouth on the pitch given recent comments about playing style.

You can’t drop the guy, he’s top scorer and in a good vein of form, but I do think we won’t evolve as a team until he’s injured or loses form and Simms gets a go in that role.
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BlueSkiesForever said:
I think this is bang on. There’s no doubt Godden is a great asset to the team and is a brilliant finisher but to move the whole team forward maybe we need to start finding a way of utilising our new strikers more effectively. It’s clearly great he’s scoring us goals but when you look at our results as a team his goals alone aren’t getting us wins. I don’t think it’s a case of “shall we drop him or shall we keep him”, I feel it’s more nuanced than that, it’s about morphing and changing into a better team over time. Maybe his goals will help in the short term, and that’s great, but maybe we need to look elsewhere for the long term, perhaps.
I don’t think there’s a clear cut answer to anything in our team atm and that’s probably why we’re sort of at a loss as to how to progress.
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Biggest load of crap I've read on this forum this week. We're not winning games because our midfield is shite full stop.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #40
skybluecam said:


Good player, great servant to the club but we won’t get promoted with him as our no.1 striker.
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We won’t get promoted this season full stop
 

BlueSkiesForever

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #41
Deleted member 9744 said:
I bet Man City fans feel the same about Haaland.

The sooner we get Godden and his 7 goals out and bring in the scoreless Simms the better.
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I get the analogy but it is a ridiculous one don’t you think? It’s clear Haaland can pretty much do anything, he can score tap-ins, he can score with his head, he can score worldies, he can score from miles out or up close, and he’s also got pace and strength. Godden is great at finishing and positioning and that’s pretty much it, he’s not got the power, strength or pace of Haaland so he simply isn’t a complete striker like Haaland is. To suggest that Godden is the answer to every problem in every situation is ludicrous, we can’t build the team around him like Man City can with Haaland because he isn’t an exceptional player like Haaland.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #42
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We won’t get promoted this season full stop
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And Godden is currently our #1 striker.

qed
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #43
Honestly, anyone advocating dropping their teams top scorer is a fucking clown.
 
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BlueSkiesForever

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #44
San Francisco said:
Biggest load of crap I've read on this forum this week. We're not winning games because our midfield is shite full stop.
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Absolutely agree with you 100% on that last point, our midfield is THE number one issue in my view.
My point is just that we can’t rely solely on Godden as he isn’t a perfect striker, he’s quite streaky, he’s injury prone a fair bit, he’s getting on as well, plus he’s not exactly strong and quick. I don’t want to get into an argument about what’s the best formation to play etc but I don’t think the answer is Godden Godden Godden, like we should build a team around him. He’s a great asset but at the same time we should be looking forward to how we’re to progress with the new strikers we’ve got, however shit they look atm, we’ve got to get them firing and still use Godden’s skills/goals at the same time. It’s not an easy task, hence why we’re struggling atm. We can still use Godden whilst at the same time look to build a stronger team for future seasons.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #45
BlueSkiesForever said:
Absolutely agree with you 100% on that, our midfield is THE number one issue in my view. My point is just that we can’t rely solely on Godden as he isn’t a perfect striker, he’s quite streaky, he’s injury prone a fair bit, he’s getting on as well, plus he’s not exactly strong and quick. I don’t want to get into an argument about what’s the best formation to play etc but I don’t think the answer is Godden Godden Godden, like we should build a team around him. He’s a great asset but at the same time we should be looking forward to how we’re to progress with the new strikers we’ve got, however shit they look atm, we’ve got to get them firing and still use Godden’s skills/goals at the same time. It’s not an easy task, hence why we’re struggling atm. We can still use Godden whilst at the same time look to build a stronger team for future seasons.
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The midfield is the problem, let's drop our top scorer.

 
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San Francisco

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #46
BlueSkiesForever said:
Absolutely agree with you 100% on that last point, our midfield is THE number one issue in my view. My point is just that we can’t rely solely on Godden as he isn’t a perfect striker, he’s quite streaky, he’s injury prone a fair bit, he’s getting on as well, plus he’s not exactly strong and quick. I don’t want to get into an argument about what’s the best formation to play etc but I don’t think the answer is Godden Godden Godden, like we should build a team around him. He’s a great asset but at the same time we should be looking forward to how we’re to progress with the new strikers we’ve got, however shit they look atm, we’ve got to get them firing and still use Godden’s skills/goals at the same time. It’s not an easy task, hence why we’re struggling atm. We can still use Godden whilst at the same time look to build a stronger team for future seasons.
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Understood but no one is saying we need to build around Godden, just that it's madness to drop him thinking that'll somehow trigger a goalscoring streak for Simms.

It's hard to do any of that when the midfield is as unbelievably lacklustre as it is. Doesn't matter how we rearrange the front 2/3 if they're not getting any service. I personally rate Wright and Simms and think once our midfield is sorted then they'll come good but for now we should keep playing the fella scoring the bulk of our goals i.e. Super Matt.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #47
I rest my case , our fans are fucking thick
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #48
Evo1883 said:
I rest my case , our fans are fucking thick
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Some.
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #49
Deleted member 9744 said:
Some.
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OK, il settle with some
 

BlueSkiesForever

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #50
clint van damme said:
The midfield is the problem, let's drop our top scorer.

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Can you read more than the first sentence? I literally said our issue is the midfield, Godden is alright but we can’t rely on him to do everything and we can’t base our whole team around. Not once did I say drop him, and in the previous post I said it’s a nuanced issue, this black and white bollocks people have about dropping him or not dropping him is ridiculous, maybe in some games he’ll be the striker we need, maybe in some games he won’t. It’s not just a yes/no answer as to how we move forward.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #51
BlueSkiesForever said:
Can you read more than the first sentence? I literally said our issue is the midfield, Godden is alright but we can’t rely on him to do everything and we can’t base our whole team around. Not once did I say drop him, and in the previous post I said it’s a nuanced issue, this black and white bollocks people have about dropping him or not dropping him is ridiculous, maybe in some games he’ll be the striker we need, maybe in some games he won’t. It’s not just a yes/no answer as to how we move forward.
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It's not no , but he's quite literally the leagues joint top scorer and we have half wits on SBT STILL questioning his input and wether the team functions better without him

Weirdos
 

BlueSkiesForever

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #52
San Francisco said:
Understood but no one is saying we need to build around Godden, just that it's madness to drop him thinking that'll somehow trigger a goalscoring streak for Simms.

It's hard to do any of that when the midfield is as unbelievably lacklustre as it is. Doesn't matter how we rearrange the front 2/3 if they're not getting any service. I personally rate Wright and Simms and think once our midfield is sorted then they'll come good but for now we should keep playing the fella scoring the bulk of our goals i.e. Super Matt.
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Absolutely agree, Godden might be the answer in some games but he’s not THE answer. By dropping him it won’t suddenly activate Simms and Wright’s ability to score goals but by the same token they’ve got to have a chance of improving, so it’s a tricky balance and I don’t envy Robins’ task.
 

BlueSkiesForever

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #53
Evo1883 said:
It's not no , but he's quite literally the leagues joint top scorer and we have half wits on SBT STILL questioning his input and wether the team functions better without him

Weirdos
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Yeah I agree, I’m not a Godden-lover personally but I realise it’s absolutely ridiculous to question his ability and impact to the team. I just think we’ve all got to be open-minded about how we move forward because we’re really stuck in a rut atm and the black/white feelings we have about certain players or formation or tactics don’t help.
I don’t say that in favour of Godden or against Godden, he’s part of a team and some games he’ll be pivotal to that team and some games we might need a change of plan, or maybe we won’t, who knows, but we should all at the very least be open to a variety of ideas.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #54
Evo1883 said:
It's not no , but he's quite literally the leagues joint top scorer and we have half wits on SBT STILL questioning his input and wether the team functions better without him

Weirdos
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Literally the league’s top scorer… he’s scored 5.

If we were completely dominating games and all he had to do was finish chances that would be one thing, but we’re not. I’m not advocating for dropping him right now but long term he can’t be our first choice.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #55
BlueSkiesForever said:
Yeah I agree, I’m not a Godden-lover personally but I realise it’s absolutely ridiculous to question his ability and impact to the team. I think we’ve all got to be open-minded about how we move forward because we’re really stuck in a rut atm and the black/white feelings we have about certain players or formation or tactics don’t help.
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But this has been going on with godden since his arrival on here .. some fans have never really appreciated his input .. many preffered biamou , then Tyler walker , then it was he was making vik play worse , then it was we won't finish top 6 with godden in the team ( we finished 5th ) now this season it's goddens in the way of Simms and haji wright and he's in the way of our development ..

Not a single poster on here can convince me that some of our fans just don't have it in for him .. and it's weird behaviour
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #56
skybluecam said:
Literally the league’s top scorer… he’s scored 5.

If we were completely dominating games and all he had to do was finish chances that would be one thing, but we’re not. I’m not advocating for dropping him right now but long term he can’t be our first choice.
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He will I'd imagine be in the managers plans whilst he keeps scoring goals at this football club , and his goalscoring record since his arrival warrants more respect than clueless fans like yourself give him

Capiche
 

skybluecam

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #57
Evo1883 said:
He will I'd imagine be in the managers plans whilst he keeps scoring goals at this football club , and his goalscoring record since his arrival warrants more respect than clueless fans like yourself give him

Capiche
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Yes, I suppose Robins spent £11m on 2 new strikers because he wanted to continue starting Godden…
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #58
skybluecam said:
Yes, I suppose Robins spent £11m on 2 new strikers because he wanted to continue starting Godden…
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Well he spent several million on defenders and still plays kyle mcfadzean ?
 
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skybluecam

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #59
N.b. Love how aggy this place gets on a Saturday night once everyone’s had a beer
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #60
skybluecam said:
N.b. Love how aggy this place gets on a Saturday night once everyone’s had a beer
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No beer here , just telling you how it is
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #61
This fucking forum and matty godden
 
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skybluecam

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #62
Evo1883 said:
Well he spent several million on defenders and still plays kyle mcfadzean ?
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We had one senior CB to cover 3 starting spots and still spent less than we did on strikers.
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #63
skybluecam said:
We had one senior CB to cover 3 starting spots and still spent less than we did on strikers.
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We have been well covered at the back now since the start of September.. and we still play fadz .. you've not mentioned the need to drop fadz out the team to improve or if you have I must have missed it
 

skybluecam

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #64
Evo1883 said:
We have been well covered at the back now since the start of September.. and we still play fadz .. you've not mentioned the need to drop fadz out the team to improve or if you have I must have missed it
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What are you saying!

We’ve only spent over a million on two defenders (Thomas and Kitching) who could conceivably play alongside Fadz.

There’s no way we spent £3.5m on Simms or £7.7m on Wright without expecting them both to start.
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #65
skybluecam said:
What are you saying!

We’ve only spent over a million on two defenders (Thomas and Kitching) who could conceivably play alongside Fadz.

There’s no way we spent £3.5m on Simms or £7.7m on Wright without expecting them both to start.
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We've spent 6 -7 million on 2 centre halves , 500,000 on lati too and still choose to play the 36 year old kyle mcfadzean , why did Robins spend 7.5 million to play the old man still ?

Same shit different position
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #66
Evo1883 said:
We've spent 6 -7 million on 2 centre halves , 500,000 on lati too and still choose to play the 36 year old kyle mcfadzean , why did Robins spend 7.5 million to play the old man still ?

Same shit different position
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Mate they make as much sense as Grendel did two years ago over the last contract for Godden. Meanwhile Robins will continue to pick him regardless and he'll continue to score goals.
 

skybluecam

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #67
Evo1883 said:
We've spent 6 -7 million on 2 centre halves , 500,000 on lati too and still choose to play the 36 year old kyle mcfadzean , why did Robins spend 7.5 million to play the old man still ?

Same shit different position
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It’s fairly obvious they’re not.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #68
skybluecam said:
It’s fairly obvious they’re not.
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Go to bed mate , I am
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #69
Just to trigger Evo some more: Godden hasn’t even hit his xG this season, so even on his own terms isn’t performing particularly brilliantly.

When Godden plays the whole team is set up to get him chances, everyone else plays in service to that. Wright and Simms don’t have an xG of 2 between them. Goddens is nearly 9! It’s not like he’s been finishing hard chances and they’ve been missing sitters.
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Sep 24, 2023
  • #70
No one likes a goal hanger. We all remember that from school.

But one way to motivate the player and the rest of the squad is to drop your leading goal scorer. Alf Ramsey did it once and soon faded from memory
 
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