Matchday Ticket Prices (21 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Well my point was that we never sold it out , because BSB mentioned if we sell all the tickets we can charge what we like (from a business perspective )

45-60 is too expensive , we can be weirdly obnoxious to eachother all day but that will still be the case

Arguably if we sell out we’ve prided our tickets too low. Optimal financial return would be one ticket left that’s too expensive I think. Cos then you’ve tapped out everyone at that price and would lose more reducing price to get that last person than you’d make.

 

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[Evo1883]

But if we got close to selling the game out financially it makes sense, which is why I asked how many tickets were left that could have been sold.

No one is being obnoxious, just talking about the subject.

Also i dont care if we sell out at those prices .. people feel compelled to pay it , doenst make it right some just want to watch football and HAVE to pay it .. there are no more ST on sale so what other choice have they got ?

 

[Evo1883]

Arguably if we sell out we’ve prided our tickets too low. Optimal financial return would be one ticket left that’s too expensive I think. Cos then you’ve tapped out everyone at that price and would lose more reducing price to get that last person than you’d make.

Sorry , i dont subscribe to this bullshit american mentality of we should keep going until they cant pay .

 

[shmmeee]

Sorry , i dont subscribe to this bullshit american mentality of we should keep going until they cant pay .

Depends on if you see the tickets as a commodity or a social good we should ensure equal access to. We see it as the latter but Doug is very much a private businessman. If we want high level football in the current game we have to pay high wages and that means high ticket prices.

I think once we’re promoted the economics change and ticket revenue is such a small percentage that you want instead to cultivate the majority experience to sell a few really expensive tickets in corpo. And most funding is commercial/TV for wages.

Ideally TV would fund all wages and ticket revenue would be a brucey bonus we could use for marketing, as it is almost every club at this level needs to squeeze as much as they can out of fans cos Sky and the Arabs aren’t handing it over.

 

[David O'Day]

Also i dont care if we sell out at those prices .. people feel compelled to pay it , doenst make it right some just want to watch football and HAVE to pay it .. there are no more ST on sale so what other choice have they got ?

Morally it is wrong yes but from a capitalistic view if you can make more money then you will try to. DK is probably looking at the club and thinking we lose 6m a year so how many a make more money for the club? There isn't a moral argument in the world for it but if it increases income then the club will see it as a success.

 

[Evo1883]

Depends on if you see the tickets as a commodity or a social good we should ensure equal access to. We see it as the latter but Doug is very much a private businessman. If we want high level football in the current game we have to pay high wages and that means high ticket prices.

I think once we’re promoted the economics change and ticket revenue is such a small percentage that you want instead to cultivate the majority experience to sell a few really expensive tickets in corpo. And most funding is commercial/TV for wages.

Ideally TV would fund all wages and ticket revenue would be a brucey bonus we could use for marketing, as it is almost every club at this level needs to squeeze as much as they can out of fans cos Sky and the Arabs aren’t handing it over.

The ticket prices are too high , we have some of the highest prices in the league .. find another way to make up the shortfall , dont exploit ordinary hardworking people

 

[Evo1883]

Morally it is wrong yes but from a capitalistic view if you can make more money then you will try to. DK is probably looking at the club and thinking we lose 6m a year so how many a make more money for the club? There isn't a moral argument in the world for it but if it increases income then the club will see it as a success.

Then why did he drop the beer prices so much if every penny counts ?

Do you think people that used to drink 2 in the ground are now drinking 4 to make up for it ?

 

[chiefdave]

Well why not go even further then , because

Be careful what you wish for.

The CEO of Live Nation has claimed that tickets are underpriced.

Live Nations’s CEO Michael Rapino made the comments when speaking at the Game Plan conference, saying tickets have been underpriced for a long time.

Rapino compared getting tickets to huge tour dates to that of getting tickets to sports games, saying, “Music has been under-appreciated. In sports, I joke it’s like a badge of honour to spend 70 grand for a Knicks courtside seat. They beat me up if we charge $800 for Beyoncé.”

 

[Evo1883]

Be careful what you wish for.

I dont wish for it , im taking the piss , but im not listening to a millionaire CEO

 

[shmmeee]

The ticket prices are too high , we have some of the highest prices in the league .. find another way to make up the shortfall , dont exploit ordinary hardworking people

In the age of dodgy fire sticks I don’t think anyone is forced to pay if they want to watch tbf and we’ve had to hike the kids prices because those ordinary hardworking people kept buying them. People always want stuff cheaper. The ultimate test of price is the attendance and that’s at record highs at the end of the day. Maybe the people buying the tickets are weird and lazy and not ordinary and hardworking?

 

[Evo1883]

In the age of dodgy fire sticks I don’t think anyone is forced to pay if they want to watch tbf and we’ve had to hike the kids prices because those ordinary hardworking people kept buying them. People always want stuff cheaper. The ultimate test of price is the attendance and that’s at record highs at the end of the day. Maybe the people buying the tickets are weird and lazy and not ordinary and hardworking?

Weird and lazy ? In what way

 

[shmmeee]

Weird and lazy ? In what way

Was just a play on your politician style “ordinary hardworking people”.

 

[Evo1883]

Was just a play on your politician style “ordinary hardworking people”.

Ok well who else is paying 45 quid a ticket ??

 

[shmmeee]

Ok well who else is paying 45 quid a ticket ??

The vast majority of people in the stadium are paying nothing like that. And those that are deem it worth the money. Maybe they’re just bigger fans than those that don’t?

 

[Evo1883]

The vast majority of people in the stadium are paying nothing like that.

We are talking about matchday ticket prices , unless im mistaken , whats your point

 

[Grimetime]

Then why did he drop the beer prices so much if every penny counts ?

Do you think people that used to drink 2 in the ground are now drinking 4 to make up for it ?

If they were stopping somewhere else to drink before and/or after the match, there's a good chance they are. I know I'm far more likely to spend more time at the ground itself now and I don't even drink.

 

[David O'Day]

Then why did he drop the beer prices so much if every penny counts ?

Do you think people that used to drink 2 in the ground are now drinking 4 to make up for it ?

People are drinking loads more and turning up earlier so yes, my mates now want to instead of having a beer in town first go the ground instead. £3.60 pints are designed to undercut rival beer selling establishments, there isn't anywhere that to undercut for match tickets.

 

[David O'Day]

If they were stopping somewhere else to drink before and/or after the match, there's a good chance they are. I know I'm far more likely to spend more time at the ground itself now and I don't even drink.

yep

 

[shmmeee]

We are talking about matchday ticket prices , unless im mistaken , whats your point

My point is if a ticket is selling at £45 then a City fan is willing to pay for it and I’m not about to sit here and tell them they shouldn’t have it. Attendances are sky high. More city fans than ever are watching us live. All by choice. And the majority paying nothing like £45. No one is being exploited.

 

[shmmeee]

Then why did he drop the beer prices so much if every penny counts ?

Do you think people that used to drink 2 in the ground are now drinking 4 to make up for it ?

Because he’s probably buying end of life stuff and if it doesn’t sell it’ll go to waste.

 

[skybluecam]

Then why did he drop the beer prices so much if every penny counts ?

Do you think people that used to drink 2 in the ground are now drinking 4 to make up for it ?

The beer pricing is clearly a strategic choice to get people to change their matchday habits to drinking at the ground. They’ll go back up soon.

 

[Evo1883]

My point is if a ticket is selling at £45 then a City fan is willing to pay for it and I’m not about to sit here and tell them they shouldn’t have it. Attendances are sky high. More city fans than ever are watching us live. All by choice. And the majority paying nothing like £45. No one is being exploited.

Nobody is telling people they shouldnt have it , just because people buy the ticket doesnt make it right.

its too expensive

 

[pusbccfc]

People are drinking loads more and turning up earlier so yes, my mates now want to instead of having a beer in town first go the ground instead. £3.60 pints are designed to undercut rival beer selling establishments, there isn't anywhere that to undercut for match tickets.

People are drinking a bit more. Maybe 30% more pints sold?

Cherry Tree and Dhillons are still very busy. The concourses were still busy with people paying £6.20 in the first few games.

He must barely make a few pence on those pints. I'm surprised it's still ongoing.

 

[pusbccfc]

The beer pricing is clearly a strategic choice to get people to change their matchday habits to drinking at the ground. They’ll go back up soon.

People were already doing that, weren't they?

The outdoor fanzone and concourses were already busy before the game at £6.20.

You'd need to sell a lot of pies to cover the cost.

 

[shmmeee]

Nobody is telling people they shouldnt have it , just because people buy the ticket doesnt make it right.

its too expensive

What does then? What are you saying? If it were cheaper we’d sell more? The evidence suggests not. If it were cheaper then more deserving people would be attending? According to whose definition?

 

[Evo1883]

What does then? What are you saying? If it were cheaper we’d sell more? The evidence suggests not. If it were cheaper then more deserving people would be attending? According to whose definition?

I think the prices should be more reasonable FULL STOP

35 pound for a kid is fucking atrocious , 45-60 depending on where you sit is too expensive for many but they will pay it because they feel like they dont want to miss out etc

Just because people buy tickets doesnt make the prices ok

 

[pusbccfc]

If the attendance figures quoted by Andy Turner in the Telegraph are correct we get this (hopefully the formatting is OK)
Att Home Away
Hull City 29,052 27,337 1,715
QPR 29,015 27,168 1,847
Norwich City 30,547 27,854 2,693
Birmingham 30,585 27,841 2,744
Blackburn Rovers 29,606 28,366 1,240
Watford 30,109 28,184 1,925

The biggest home attendance was against Blackburn.
The highest away attendance was Blues.

Bar the Birmingham game, I think they've all been Cat B games at £32 for a standard adult ticket.

Answering a few questions above.

Birmingham wasn't a sell out. In fact, fewer tickets were sold for this match than Norwich, Blackburn and Watford. Regardless of whether you think Birmingham are a rival, it's a more 'tasty' match than those three.

I'd imagine the sales for West Brom will sit just below the Birmingham match. Close to the sales for the Hull and QPR games.

 

[David O'Day]

People are drinking a bit more. Maybe 30% more pints sold?

Cherry Tree and Dhillons are still very busy. The concourses were still busy with people paying £6.20 in the first few games.

He must barely make a few pence on those pints. I'm surprised it's still ongoing.

Ok, everyone I know who is going up earlier isn't really are they because you say so.

Cade closed.

You do realise earlier can mean not turning up up at 2:40? Which means instead of having all you pre match drinks in a pub or club or have 1 or 2 in the ground or in the fan zones.

 

[David O'Day]

Answering a few questions above.

Birmingham wasn't a sell out. In fact, fewer tickets were sold for this match than Norwich, Blackburn and Watford. Regardless of whether you think Birmingham are a rival, it's a more 'tasty' match than those three.

I'd imagine the sales for West Brom will sit just below the Birmingham match. Close to the sales for the Hull and QPR games.

As I said to EVO, how many tickets for the brum where not available? The segregation areas where bigger than they were at the B'Burn and Watford games.

 

[Evo1883]

As I said to EVO, how many tickets for the brum where not available? The segregation areas where bigger than they were at the B'Burn and Watford games.

Well watford and blackburn didnt sell out their away end so the segregation doesnt matter .. we didnt sell the home end out against birmingham

 

[David O'Day]

Well watford and blackburn didnt sell out their away end so the segregation doesnt matter ..

That doesn't make any sense, the larger segregation area at the brum game looked to reduce the amount of seats in the home area as well. It's a perfectly valid question.

 

[pusbccfc]

Ok, everyone I know who is going up earlier isn't really are they because you say so.

Cade closed.

You do realise earlier can mean not turning up up at 2:40? Which means instead of having all you pre match drinks in a pub or club or have 1 or 2 in the ground or in the fan zones.

Based on your second point, people will go back to staying in their pub till 2:30 once they return for £6.20?

 

[pusbccfc]

As I said to EVO, how many tickets for the brum where not available? The segregation areas where bigger than they were at the B'Burn and Watford games.

Tickets were available in the North Stand on the day.

 

[Evo1883]

That doesn't make any sense, the larger segregation area at the brum game looked to reduce the amount of seats in the home area as well. It's a perfectly valid question.

We didnt sell out the home end irrespective of segregation makes perfect sense

 

[David O'Day]

Based on your second point, people will go back to staying in their pub till 2:30 once they return for £6.20?

Which is why it while they are trying to run fan zones etc and push the east stand outside bars it isn't likely to go back to 6.20