So let me get this right if by some miracle we finish 8th in the Championship next season then you think finishing 6th in League 2 would be a better achievement because we got promoted?
We may as well just stay in League One then as I don’t think we’re getting promoted into the Premier League anytime soon
And we can only be successful in the Championship by winning a trophy or getting promoted?
Robins has his work cut out then as I don’t think that’s very likely
I have. I’ve listed about 6
Which would be harder, to totally and completely revamp a club who were at the lowest point in their entire history with zero unity on or off the field, or finishing off the job you started 3 years ago by slotting in a few more players b
No you clearly don't, and your views on Robins are crystal clear.
I'm trying to say that we can think Mark Robins is a brilliant manager for us, which he is, and not want him replaced by anybody, which I don't, without having to think the sun shines out of his arse, that he hasn't had benefits that other managers have had and that he doesn't have his faults.Why don't you tell me, seeing as the naysayers are point blank refusing to actually name a manager who has done more for our club than Mark Robins apart from 'the big two'. Question stands- if we went up this year tell me three managers who would have achieved more bearing in mind the circumstances.
Not necessarily but it does at least take us back to the actual discussion on stats.
If you look coldly at stats of managers across divisions you’d look at someone like Gordon Milne and he looks average
Reality is he kept the club in the top flight against the odds season after season and gave the club its most exciting season in my memory
He couldn’t get promoted, couldn’t win a cup where only lower league teams played or get a Wembley appearance in a play off as he was too good to manage a team at that level
Not necessarily but it does at least take us back to the actual discussion on stats.
If you look coldly at stats of managers across divisions you’d look at someone like Gordon Milne and he looks average
Reality is he kept the club in the top flight against the odds season after season and gave the club its most exciting season in my memory
He couldn’t get promoted, couldn’t win a cup where only lower league teams played or get a Wembley appearance in a play off as he was too good to manage a team at that level
I'm trying to say that we can think Mark Robins is a brilliant manager for us, which he is, and not want him replaced by anybody, which I don't, without having to think the sun shines out of his arse, that he hasn't had benefits that other managers have had and that he doesn't have his faults.
You're the other side of the coin to the idiots suggesting we chuck him after a couple of bad results. We can appreciate him without having to go overboard about everything and be objective about his achievements.
They don't give them out for finishing 8th in league one but I thought that was a good achievement by robin's and the team in our first season back.
Would you have preferred a relegation and a Checkatrade win?
You can't be objective on a personal preference thing, it's the definition of subjective.I am being objective- if we went up he is in the top three managers of all time. I can live with top 5 maybe if you want to go down the Milne/ Storer route, but the sheer transformation of the club is what gives it to Robins for me.
No, but that had nothing to do with Mark Robins, did it? What has that got to do with it?
I'm trying to say that we can think Mark Robins is a brilliant manager for us, which he is, and not want him replaced by anybody, which I don't, without having to think the sun shines out of his arse, that he hasn't had benefits that other managers have had and that he doesn't have his faults.
You're the other side of the coin to the idiots suggesting we chuck him after a couple of bad results. We can appreciate him without having to go overboard about everything and be objective about his achievements.
I'm trying to say that we can think Mark Robins is a brilliant manager for us, which he is, and not want him replaced by anybody, which I don't, without having to think the sun shines out of his arse, that he hasn't had benefits that other managers have had and that he doesn't have his faults.
You're the other side of the coin to the idiots suggesting we chuck him after a couple of bad results. We can appreciate him without having to go overboard about everything and be objective about his achievements.
You can't be objective on a personal preference thing, it's the definition of subjective.
Not necessarily but it does at least take us back to the actual discussion on stats.
If you look coldly at stats of managers across divisions you’d look at someone like Gordon Milne and he looks average
Reality is he kept the club in the top flight against the odds season after season and gave the club its most exciting season in my memory
He couldn’t get promoted, couldn’t win a cup where only lower league teams played or get a Wembley appearance in a play off as he was too good to manage a team at that level
I haven't got a wall chart of #1 managers. I'm not a child. He'll have done a very good job, which he is doing. Why do you need to try and quantify it?Thats fascinating. However take that scenario- we go up this year whether is automatic or a playoff win- whatever. Who do you then put above Robins in the hierarchy of managers who've done the most for us? Name names, stop with the rhetoric.
But they're not, as this thread has been going round in circles about, some think lower league promotions and FL Trophy is better than treading water in the premier league is better, others think completely the opposite. It's subjective.Whereas I think even you would have to agree that promotions & cups are very objective, and Robins would have more of those than virtually all our other managers, ever.
Is there any other definition you want to try and throw out there as a deflection from the hard facts?
I haven't got a wall chart of #1 managers. I'm not a child. He'll have done a very good job, which he is doing. Why do you need to try and quantify it?
But they're not, as this thread has been going round in circles about, some think lower league promotions and FL Trophy is better than treading water in the premier league is better, others think completely the opposite. It's subjective.
This is a terrible methodology. I could fluke my way into a Premiership job, lose every game, finish bottom and according to you I’d be a better manager than 72 others in the EFL.
But how you value them above lesser achievements further up the pyramid is.Promotions are not subjective.
I imagine his CCFC all time 11 has Lee Burge in goal as he has 2 Wembley wins which trumps mid table in the Premier LeagueBut how you value them above lesser achievements further up the pyramid is.
No, but that had nothing to do with Mark Robins, did it? What has that got to do with it?
Liquid Gold said:Mark Robins is a brilliant manager for us, which he is, and not want him replaced by anybody, which I don't
Ring Of Steel said:you refuse to acknowledge what Robins is doing... I don't know what animosity towards Robins is fuelling it
But how you value them above lesser achievements further up the pyramid is.
You just said you could argue he won the Checkatrade. Would you prefer relegation and a trophy or 8th in league one which you get fuck all for?
There was no achievement further up the pyramid. 20+ points off 6th place in a season when Reading got 106 points and the all the promotion & playoff places were decided a fortnight before the end of the season is meaningless.
If you can explain to me what the hell this has to do with why you are unwilling to admit you're wrong and that Mark Robins is doing more for this club than Micky Adams ever did, I'll conjure up some kind of answer. But you'll be hard pushed I suspect.
There was no achievement further up the pyramid. 20+ points off 6th place in a season when Reading got 106 points and the all the promotion & playoff places were decided a fortnight before the end of the season is meaningless.
If you can explain to me what the hell this has to do with why you are unwilling to admit you're wrong and that Mark Robins is doing more for this club than Micky Adams ever did, I'll conjure up some kind of answer. But you'll be hard pushed I suspect.
I dont know about terrible but its flawed, definitely.
There has to be some measure and league position is about as good as it gets.
There are so many other intangibles,spend, inherited youth set up, coaching staff, that you can argue about all day without really proving anything.
There's also personal preference, a lot of people would take Warnock like a shot if we got to the Championship given his record of promotions, personally I wouldn't based purely on the style of football.
What am I wrong about.
Ive consistently praised Robins.
I've never said Adams did more for the club than Robins.
Are you purposely making things up or is it the voices in your head?
If you were deciding your CCFC best 11 of all time - if it’s not the 2017/18 side I guess it would include the likes of Dublin and Regis?
I think all but one person knows that.See my other reply to Grendel. It’s a multifaceted metric and any singular data point will fall short.
In other words this whole thread is pointless. Entertaining. But pointless.
See my other reply to Grendel. It’s a multifaceted metric and any singular data point will fall short.
In other words this whole thread is pointless. Entertaining. But pointless.
77/78 was exciting, yes. I have Milne up there but I would give the nod to Robins if we go up again purely due to the degree of tranformation at a dying club, taking over from Slade whereas Milne took over a pretty stable club & team from Joe Mercer.
I do not know, and I also am not sure what that has to do with Mark Robins, aside from you continuing to try and downplay what Mark Robins has done & is doing. And what weird examples- an FA Cup Winner and someone who achieved full international honours while with us.
If people just saw sense and agreed with me we could all get on with our day & talk about Stephen Pressley's stellar time with us.
We weren’t a dying club - the season in league two as I’ve already explained and now has been shown was a lot easier as we were competitive
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