Mark Labovitch, Really? (1 Viewer)

[Mr B]

Sorry if this has already been posted but I think Mark Labovitch a director at Coventry City is a bit deluded as he thinks The Ricoh Arena would be a 'White Elephant' without City playing there.

I for one don't think he has much of a point as I know there is a lot of profit from drink and food sales on match day but a profit is being turned not just from Football and it is not like the stadium attracts other business such as concerts, Davis Cup Tennis, Olympic Football, Rugby World Cup 2015, various shows, religious events etc. Not to mention money coming from the Casino and Hotel.

I think the club needs the stadium and vice versa but if the worst were to happy I think that both could exist without the other.

 

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[Grendel]

Sorry if this has already been posted but I think Mark Labovitch a director at Coventry City is a bit deluded as he thinks The Ricoh Arena would be a 'White Elephant' without City playing there.

I for one don't think he has much of a point as I know there is a lot of profit from drink and food sales on match day but a profit is being turned not just from Football and it is not like the stadium attracts other business such as concerts, Davis Cup Tennis, Olympic Football, Rugby World Cup 2015, various shows, religious events etc. Not to mention money coming from the Casino and Hotel.

I think the club needs the stadium and vice versa but if the worst were to happy I think that both could exist without the other.

No other ground I can think of exists that has a stadium and no proper resident. Who knows if the sponsors would stay either.

I agree with him.

 

[Mr B]

No other ground I can think of exists that has a stadium and no proper resident. Who knows if the sponsors would stay either.

I agree with him.

Yes you're right because all of the other events etc come to The Ricoh becuase of the football team..................... No didn't think so!

 

[Wrenstreetcarpark]

No other ground I can think of exists that has a stadium and no proper resident. Who knows if the sponsors would stay either.

I agree with him.

what other ground has Exhibition Halls, Theatre, Casino, Hotel, Banqueting areas, Rented out offices etc.?

 

[torchomatic]

The big green bit in the middle?

Sorry if this has already been posted but I think Mark Labovitch a director at Coventry City is a bit deluded as he thinks The Ricoh Arena would be a 'White Elephant' without City playing there.

I for one don't think he has much of a point as I know there is a lot of profit from drink and food sales on match day but a profit is being turned not just from Football and it is not like the stadium attracts other business such as concerts, Davis Cup Tennis, Olympic Football, Rugby World Cup 2015, various shows, religious events etc. Not to mention money coming from the Casino and Hotel.

I think the club needs the stadium and vice versa but if the worst were to happy I think that both could exist without the other.

 

[Mr B]

The big green bit in the middle?

I'm sorry what is your point?

 

[torchomatic]

A football stadium without a football team? Surely, that IS a white elephant, isn't it? What would they do with that big green bit in the middle? Jacky Isaac bangs on about the Olympics but she seems to forget that we'll never see that in GB again in our lifetime.

I'm sorry what is your point?

 

[psgm1]

No other ground I can think of exists that has a stadium and no proper resident. Who knows if the sponsors would stay either.

I agree with him.

What you mean like Hull?

The arena has limited earning potential PRECISELY because it's main tenant is a football club! FA Rules clearly state it has to have sole use on matchdays throughout the season, Typically concerts are more successful on weekends - thats why they hold festivals mainly at weekends ffs!

So ALREADY before anything they have lost prime exhibition space for 9 months of the year!

You cannot hold outdoor concerts in UK winters, but if a roof structure were put in place it is as big as the NIA and the O2 - no one saying THESE venues aren't profitable!

If Exhibitions weren't so lucrative, please explain why else SiSU want their hands on the stadium? Cannot be the team - as they are supposedly losing millions. And they cannot possibly expect to be in the prem in 3 years with fair play rules in place and gates of 10k or less!

So it MUST be for the stadium and or the land (although they seem reluctant to build further so MUST BE the stadium alone).

If you think the stadium cannot survive without the team - think again, plans are ALREADY in place to ensure it can survive!

Sure advertising will be hit, but will they really notice the loss of losing advertising from a local chippy or creche? Besides imagine the corporate sponsors prepared to advertise at a venue similar to the NiA!

 

[Mr B]

A football stadium without a football team? Surely, that IS a white elephant, isn't it? What would they do with that big green bit in the middle? Jacky Isaac bangs on about the Olympics but she seems to forget that we'll never see that in GB again in our lifetime.

You seem to forget concerts, Rugby Union in the form of The World Cup and Heiniken Cup, other football games such as England under 21's etc, wow what will they do with the pitch???????

 

[Grendel]

Yes you're right because all of the other events etc come to The Ricoh becuase of the football team..................... No didn't think so!

Your not really thinking at all are you?

 

[torchomatic]

And those Rugby World Cup games (which looks like will go to Villa), the Under 21 games happen every other week do they? And concerts happen in the middle of November, December, January, February, March, etc do they?

You seem to forget concerts, Rugby Union in the form of The World Cup and Heiniken Cup, other football games such as England under 21's etc, wow what will they do with the pitch???????

 

[Mr B]

Your not really thinking at all are you?

And your not picking up on sarcasm are you?

PSGM1 I think has said it all fella.

 

[Mr B]

And those Rugby World Cup games (which looks like will go to Villa), the Under 21 games happen every other week do they? And concerts happen in the middle of November, December, January, February, March, etc do they?

And again someone totally ignoring the fantastic point PSGM1 has made, he has worded it better than I, try reading it.

 

[torchomatic]

Put a roof on it? Yep, fantastic. We could all club together and do for them in a weekend, couldn't we?

Bring some bits of timber, a hammer and nails and let's give it a go. Cloudcuckooland.

And again someone totally ignoring the fantastic point PSGM1 has made, he has worded it better than I, try reading it.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

...what point PSMG1 made?

the one comparing a massive world-class venue served directly by rail-link, located in one of the true global cities with a a roof-less flat-pack footy stadium located at the arse end of coventry.....??

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

No other ground I can think of exists that has a stadium and no proper resident. Who knows if the sponsors would stay either.

What about the Millenium Stadium,
Why would any investor buy half of Acl for 30/40 million when a new stadium could be built for that which we would 100% own.
Why not a city with 2 stadiums, Cardiff do

 

[Mr B]

Put a roof on it? Yep, fantastic. We could all club together and do for them in a weekend, couldn't we?

Bring some bits of timber, a hammer and nails and let's give it a go. Cloudcuckooland.

Don't you just love it when people pick up on a point that supports there argument and not the whole quote...............................

 

[torchomatic]

But that is a NATIONAL stadium, like Wembley, in a capital city. It's like comparing apples and onions.

No other ground I can think of exists that has a stadium and no proper resident. Who knows if the sponsors would stay either.

What about the Millenium Stadium,
Why would any investor buy half of Acl for 30/40 million when a new stadium could be built for that which we would 100% own.
Why not a city with 2 stadiums, Cardiff do

 

[mattylad]

You seem to forget concerts, Rugby Union in the form of The World Cup and Heiniken Cup, other football games such as England under 21's etc, wow what will they do with the pitch???????

Forget Euro Rugby, Leicester has Welford rd and Northampton are now using the MK dons.

 

[torchomatic]

Well, help me out then and QUOTE the "fantastic point" that was made.

Don't you just love it when people pick up on a point that supports there argument and not the whole quote...............................

 

[rupert_bear]

No other ground I can think of exists that has a stadium and no proper resident. Who knows if the sponsors would stay either.

I agree with him.

RUGBY UNION...already been there, don't rule it out happening aswell as football

 

[torchomatic]

Fair enough. Let's count how many games over the last seven and a half years, shall we?

RUGBY UNION...already been there, don't rule it out happening aswell as football

 

[Grendel]

What you mean like Hull?

The arena has limited earning potential PRECISELY because it's main tenant is a football club! FA Rules clearly state it has to have sole use on matchdays throughout the season, Typically concerts are more successful on weekends - thats why they hold festivals mainly at weekends ffs!

The concert opportunity is limited and grossly over-played. Also the belief that the Ricoh is a world leading concert venue is overplayed. Incidently I have seen REM at the City Ground Nottingham once in September when the season was already on.

So ALREADY before anything they have lost prime exhibition space for 9 months of the year!

No they haven't. The concert season is summer months and big open air concerts are limited. Also they receive a fee in most cases not an income from the audience fees

You cannot hold outdoor concerts in UK winters, but if a roof structure were put in place it is as big as the NIA and the O2 - no one saying THESE venues aren't profitable!s

Ah of course you can. Let's put a roof on the venue -- £15 - £20 million anyone?

If Exhibitions weren't so lucrative, please explain why else SiSU want their hands on the stadium? Cannot be the team - as they are supposedly losing millions. And they cannot possibly expect to be in the prem in 3 years with fair play rules in place and gates of 10k or less!

It is precisely because of FPP rules that extra revenue is required

So it MUST be for the stadium and or the land (although they seem reluctant to build further so MUST BE the stadium alone).

If you think the stadium cannot survive without the team - think again, plans are ALREADY in place to ensure it can survive!

Sure advertising will be hit, but will they really notice the loss of losing advertising from a local chippy or creche? Besides imagine the corporate sponsors prepared to advertise at a venue similar to the NiA!

The stadium is not the NIA it has nowhere near the credibility of the NEC. This is a nonsense argument and names sponsors Jaguar, Ricoh etc. will inevitable consider their position.

I suppose the fact you are on the other side of an argument is all the assurance I need to know I am right.

 

[Mr B]

Well, help me out then and QUOTE the "fantastic point" that was made.

Do you know what carry on, you seem to like to shout down everyone who disagrees with you so please carry on, reasoned argument is beyond you.

 

[Grendel]

And your not picking up on sarcasm are you?

PSGM1 I think has said it all fella.

Psgm1 is a paranoid idiot, he thinks the Sky Blue Trust have him on some sort of Dead Pool list.

If you really want to quote him as supporting your cause be my guest.

 

[Mr B]

Do you know what if your not agreeing with Grendal or Torchomatic YOUR WRONG! Because if your not rediculing someone who is not agreeing with you your point is not relevant and you will get shouted down.

I guess if you want reasoned argument or debate don't live in a world where Grendal or Torchomatic exist.

 

[torchomatic]

You said I missed the "fantastic point" and I've re-read his post and still can't fathom what his point was, so am simply asking you to quote the fantastic point. That's all I'm asking. Reasoned argument is not beyond me at all, which is why I'm disagreeing with you about the Ricoh and it's ability to function without the football club.

Do you know what carry on, you seem to like to shout down everyone who disagrees with you so please carry on, reasoned argument is beyond you.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Yes you're right because all of the other events etc come to The Ricoh becuase of the football team..................... No didn't think so!

You're confusing the stadium with the wider complex. The stadium in itself would be a white elephant with no resident. The business case for building it would look like a sham.

 

[torchomatic]

Ah, the old "turn the tables on the people who are trying to get me to back up my point, which I can't possibly do". As it happens I'm wrong fairly often!

Do you know what if your not agreeing with Grendal or Torchomatic YOUR WRONG! Because if your not rediculing someone who is not agreeing with you your point is not relevant and you will get shouted down.

I guess if you want reasoned argument or debate don't live in a world where Grendal or Torchomatic exist.

 

[Grendel]

Do you know what if your not agreeing with Grendal or Torchomatic YOUR WRONG! Because if your not rediculing someone who is not agreeing with you your point is not relevant and you will get shouted down.

I guess if you want reasoned argument or debate don't live in a world where Grendal or Torchomatic exist.

I have put a reasoned argument to you and stated that such a business model that is succesful does not exist.

From a location strategy perspective would you build such a complex so close to a major competitor?

Whose shouting you down? It's called a debate or did you just want universal compliance?

 

[Mr B]

I have put a reasoned argument to you and stated that such a business model that is succesful does not exist.

From a location strategy perspective would you build such a complex so close to a major competitor?

Whose shouting you down? It's called a debate or did you just want universal compliance?

Yes I want you to agree with me....... on please, business model?????????? And Grendal you wouldn't know a debate if it kicked you up the arse and called you sonny.

The point about shouting down is I see your point, I don't agree with it as there is plenty more going on at the stadium and also in terms of its draw to keep it viable and profitable but I see your point.

You on the other hand don't care to see the other point of the arguement and therefore sieze an opportunity to try and make others seem stupid and nieve for not argeeing with you thats all.

 

[Houdi]

Sorry if this has already been posted but I think Mark Labovitch a director at Coventry City is a bit deluded as he thinks The Ricoh Arena would be a 'White Elephant' without City playing there.

I for one don't think he has much of a point as I know there is a lot of profit from drink and food sales on match day but a profit is being turned not just from Football and it is not like the stadium attracts other business such as concerts, Davis Cup Tennis, Olympic Football, Rugby World Cup 2015, various shows, religious events etc. Not to mention money coming from the Casino and Hotel.

I think the club needs the stadium and vice versa but if the worst were to happy I think that both could exist without the other.

The Olympics is over and is extremely unlikely to be returning anytime soon,so not really relevant for future revenue streams.The Rugby World Cup at the Ricoh is I believe not yet confirmed,and they may yet go to Villa Park.Presumbably the Davis Cup will be played indoors,again not really relevant to the future of the football ground.In the few years that the Ricoh has been opened one casino operator has already upped and left.However much people try to spin it,the main focal point for the Ricoh is still the football club.
If Coventry City for whatever reason no longer played at the Ricoh,the negative publicity and bad feeling would be immense and very long lasting.They need to hang together,because they will surely hang seperately.

 

[Mr B]

Ah, the old "turn the tables on the people who are trying to get me to back up my point, which I can't possibly do". As it happens I'm wrong fairly often!

One word for you PRICK!

 

[mark82]

Why are we all of a sudden giving the guy that constantly told us Mark Robins was a crap manager credit for having any intelligence?

The Arena would struggle to survive without a full term resident. It struggles to make a profit with someone paying 1.3 million in rent.

 

[rupert_bear]

Fair enough. Let's count how many games over the last seven and a half years, shall we?

So what ? Do you think any new owner of the Ricoh isn't going to maximise it's uses. Plenty of examples of Football clubs and Rugby clubs sharing grounds. I suggest you get your head out of the sand my dear.