Leicester deducted fifteen points (32 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Bollox?

What kind of rivalry do you think we will have with a side 2 levels below us? What's the chance of getting them in a cup?

Next season we're in the Prem. Our nearest rivals will be Villa. We will be their nearest rivals as they will be the only Brummie club left in the Prem. So for me the games I will be looking forward to will be against Villa. It's been too long since the last time.

You are welcome to continue your rivalry with a club that we probably won't play against for a long time if you like. There's even a chance we will never play them again with their situation being as bad as it is.

They always were, and always will be rivals as far as I'm concerned, and plenty others, on both sides, feel the same.

 

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[TomRad85]

We could quite easily be playing them again in a couple of seasons.

Very true, our under 23s might get drawn against them in the Checkatrade.

 

[skyblu3sk]

I think it depends on your age a little as to who you view our rivals as, for me Leicester was a plastic rivalry made out of convenience. Villa have always been our true rivals. I honestly couldn't give a shit about Leicester, was always just another game.

 

[TomRad85]

They always were, and always will be rivals as far as I'm concerned, and plenty others, on both sides, feel the same.

Truth be told I kind of forgot how much I hated them when we were playing League 2 and they were Champions League. I guess I assumed we'd probably never play them again so just parked it.
When the fixture finally returned it all came flooding back what a bunch of absolute freaks they are. Hilarious the 2 clubs will be 2 leagues apart but in the opposite direction a fairly short amount of time afterwards.

 

[clint van damme]

I think it depends on your age a little as to who you view our rivals as, for me Leicester was a plastic rivalry made out of convenience. Villa have always been our true rivals. I honestly couldn't give a shit about Leicester, was always just another game.

How can you talk about rivalries being 'plastic' and then claim Villa are our true rivals?!

I've worked in Aston, I've worked in Braunstone and I'm currently working in Cov but for a firm where our sister facility is in Leicestershire, so I can definitely tell you who sees us as their main rival out of the two.

 

[skyblu3sk]

How can you talk about rivalries being 'plastic' and then claim Villa are our true rivals?!

I've worked in Aston, I've worked in Braunstone and I'm currently working in Cov but for a firm where our sister facility is in Leicestershire, so I can definitely tell you who sees us as their main rival out of the two.

I was talking to a Villa supporter just the other day who literally said he couldn't wait to reignite the old rivalry so again depends who you are talking to. I have also worked in Leicester by the way, again most didn't give a shit.

 

[clint van damme]

I was talking to a Villa supporter just the other day who literally said he couldn't wait to reignite the old rivalry so again depends who you are talking to. I have also worked in Leicester by the way, again most didn't give a shit.

Id never claim there's no rivalry. And it's definitely felt more by the support they draw from Warwickshire than those in brum.
But their main rival, by some distance is Blues.

And I'm not sure where you worked in Leicester, but that's not my experience, and many others would agree.
You don't hang flags from bridges and riot for teams you don't give a shit about

 

[Lamps]

We could quite easily be playing them again in a couple of seasons.

Have you seen how bad their finances are? Have you seen how poor their Prem players that are on up to 90k a week have been? Nobody is willing to take on these players at the wages they are on especially after how poor they have been.

They used up the last of their parachute payments before the start of the season. That didn't keep them going for long. Everything they loaned came with interest of about 10%. They have a training ground that costs between 15m and 20m a year to run.

Their owner used to have a very profitable company doing duty free. Their best customers were Chinese where a lot of them would get a flight, but lots of designer items, then they would fly straight back. COVID hit them hard. They struggled to pay the high rents at the airports without customers. They still don't have most of their Chinese customers back. They only got to keep their business running by agreeing with lower rent but IIRC they have to hand over 36% of their profits to their landlords. So their income is much lower and they have to hand over a third of them. That's why their owner Top started taking massive loans off Macquirie bank at very high interest rates secured on their club.

It now looks like they will be going into administration minimum. You must pay all football debts or you get hit harder with a points deduction. Theirs is going up all the time by about 2.5m a week. Sheffield Wednesday look to be getting hit with another 15 points deduction for next season just because their new owners offer to take them out of administration didn't give Chansiri enough of his money back. This is on top of the points deductions they have already had. Leicester will be in this position. They could start the season with enough points deductions to already relegate them. And that's if they are lucky enough to get away with administration. If Macquirie bank calls in the debt and it can't be covered then they could be looking at going to the wall.

This isn't a full list of their problems. Playing against us for several years at least isn't looking likely.

 

[skyblu3sk]

Id never claim there's no rivalry. And it's definitely felt more by the support they draw from Warwickshire than those in brum.
But their main rival, by some distance is Blues.

And I'm not sure where you worked in Leicester, but that's not my experience, and many others would agree.
You don't hang flags from bridges and riot for teams you don't give a shit about

There's this really strange phenomenon where people can feel differently about the same thing... I'm just saying how it is for me you can choose to agree or disagree but unlikely to change my mind. It was exactly the same with Villa, you have either forgotten or weren't there.

 

[rob9872]

our sister facility is in LeLeicestershire

Do they try to fuck you?

 

[clint van damme]

There's this really strange phenomenon where people can feel differently about the same thing... I'm just saying how it is for me you can choose to agree or disagree but unlikely to change my mind. It was exactly the same with Villa, you have either forgotten or weren't there.

You feeling different as an individual is personal choice. If you hate villa more, that's up to you.

But we aren't Villas main rivals and I doubt you'd find many Villa fans who'd say we were.

You'll find plenty of Leicester fans who say we are.

As for your forgotten or weren't there comment about Villa, I'm not sure,what you mean?
I've been a plenty of Villa games, plenty got spicy, but they still didn't see us as their main rivals, that's a fact.

 

[Robinshio]

Will need to go over to Bedworth to watch Nuneaton play them before they next visit the cbs

 

[Flying Fokker]

How can you talk about rivalries being 'plastic' and then claim Villa are our true rivals?!

I've worked in Aston, I've worked in Braunstone and I'm currently working in Cov but for a firm where our sister facility is in Leicestershire, so I can definitely tell you who sees us as their main rival out of the two.

Braunstone FC ?

 

[Ashdown]

It’s all about the geography. North Leicester and North West Leicestershire hate Derby and Forest, those South of the City see us as the enemy.
Villa see Blues as their main rivals of course, I think there maybe some enmity towards us from some of those Villa scabs who live nearer to Cov in the towns and villages around us.

 

[skyblu3sk]

You feeling different as an individual is personal choice. If you hate villa more, that's up to you.

But we aren't Villas main rivals and I doubt you'd find many Villa fans who'd say we were.

You'll find plenty of Leicester fans who say we are.

As for your forgotten or weren't there comment about Villa, I'm not sure,what you mean?
I've been a plenty of Villa games, plenty got spicy, but they still didn't see us as their main rivals, that's a fact.

Unless you have loads of data to back up your "fact" you are putting opinion forward as fact there's a difference. I'm sure you would find fans with differing opinions just like we have on this thread. Having spent my whole youth singing SOTV a song deeply engrained in club culture it's just my view.

 

[clint van damme]

Unless you have loads of data to back up your "fact" you are putting opinion forward as fact there's a difference. I'm sure you would find fans with differing opinions just like we have on this thread. Having spent my whole youth singing SOTV a song deeply engrained in club culture it's just my view.

But in your initial post you referred to 'plastic rivalry'.

Villa don't see us as their main rival, so no matter how you feel about it, it's not going to change that.

Are you really going to dispute Villas main rival is Blues unless its backed up by data?!

 

[Para1140]

What a shame their game tonight isn’t against us. What a night that would be with us confirming the title having beat them and sending the six fingered sister suckers down.
if Carlsberg did football that would just be glorious

 

[clint van damme]

Braunstone FC ?

Never heard of them!

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

While I am very much enjoying seeing Leicester fall from their perch, I wouldn't want to see the club go under.

No, just let them hang around the bottom 2 divisions for the next 25 years will do

 

[Travs]

Bollox?

What kind of rivalry do you think we will have with a side 2 levels below us? What's the chance of getting them in a cup?

Next season we're in the Prem. Our nearest rivals will be Villa. We will be their nearest rivals as they will be the only Brummie club left in the Prem. So for me the games I will be looking forward to will be against Villa. It's been too long since the last time.

You are welcome to continue your rivalry with a club that we probably won't play against for a long time if you like. There's even a chance we will never play them again with their situation being as bad as it is.

Good to be humble.

Less than a decade ago they were winning the league while we were in the 3rd division.

Who knows what may or may not happen over the course of the next decade.

No matter what we think of Leicester or the "rivalry", you'd think fans of CCFC might care to remember where we've been before casting another team off as "finished".

Look at Sunderland..... its very small margins with the playoff game, but they might make Europe this year.... its not so long ago that they couldn't fight their way out of division 3..... had they lost that playoff game they may well have sacked their manager and lord knows what situation they might be in.

 

[skyblu3sk]

But in your initial post you referred to 'plastic rivalry'.

Villa don't see us as their main rival, so no matter how you feel about it, it's not going to change that.

Are you really going to dispute Villas main rival is Blues unless its backed up by data?!

I do personally think it was a plastic rivalry yes it's my opinion. Just two clubs without their more natural rivals trying to make something.

I went to school with loads of villa fans I was in the minority and I can tell you they absolutely did. I don't really know how they felt about blues as it didn't really come up.

I know there are older gents on here who see our rivals as someone totally different so as mentioned above it's likely a mix of where you grew up, how old you are and when you started going to matches.

 

[Greer]

Unless you have loads of data to back up your "fact" you are putting opinion forward as fact there's a difference. I'm sure you would find fans with differing opinions just like we have on this thread. Having spent my whole youth singing SOTV a song deeply engrained in club culture it's just my view.

I fucking hate Villa always have and always will but nothing will compare with my hatred for that lot down the road!

However, going back to your original point of the rivalry with the inbred bastards being made by convenience or being plastic actually suits our rivalry with Villa more. Brum were shit, as were every other team in the region and the sister fuckers were a yo yo team.

We've been insignificant to them for 25 years. Is there a rivalry, 100%. As big as ours vs scum, nowhere near.

They claim Derby as a rival but used to team up with them to fight us and Forest, hardly a rivalry. They hate us just as much as we hate them.

 

[Hutch11]

Have you seen how bad their finances are? Have you seen how poor their Prem players that are on up to 90k a week have been? Nobody is willing to take on these players at the wages they are on especially after how poor they have been.

They used up the last of their parachute payments before the start of the season. That didn't keep them going for long. Everything they loaned came with interest of about 10%. They have a training ground that costs between 15m and 20m a year to run.

Their owner used to have a very profitable company doing duty free. Their best customers were Chinese where a lot of them would get a flight, but lots of designer items, then they would fly straight back. COVID hit them hard. They struggled to pay the high rents at the airports without customers. They still don't have most of their Chinese customers back. They only got to keep their business running by agreeing with lower rent but IIRC they have to hand over 36% of their profits to their landlords. So their income is much lower and they have to hand over a third of them. That's why their owner Top started taking massive loans off Macquirie bank at very high interest rates secured on their club.

It now looks like they will be going into administration minimum. You must pay all football debts or you get hit harder with a points deduction. Theirs is going up all the time by about 2.5m a week. Sheffield Wednesday look to be getting hit with another 15 points deduction for next season just because their new owners offer to take them out of administration didn't give Chansiri enough of his money back. This is on top of the points deductions they have already had. Leicester will be in this position. They could start the season with enough points deductions to already relegate them. And that's if they are lucky enough to get away with administration. If Macquirie bank calls in the debt and it can't be covered then they could be looking at going to the wall.

This isn't a full list of their problems. Playing against us for several years at least isn't looking likely.

Newcastle didn't play Sunderland for years I suppose they weren't rivals either?

 

[Sick Boy]

How can you talk about rivalries being 'plastic' and then claim Villa are our true rivals?!

I've worked in Aston, I've worked in Braunstone and I'm currently working in Cov but for a firm where our sister facility is in Leicestershire, so I can definitely tell you who sees us as their main rival out of the two.

My old football team once played against Braunstone in a cup competition; they kindly left piles of dog shit scattered around our 6-yard box.

 

[viridisman]

If honest though, if they went fully tits up and joined the 12 point deduction club, it wouldn't be to the same level as others detriment.
They would appeal to a large number of buyers that could reboot them under new ownership.
Modern stadium, elite level training facilities and quite an asset rich club.
It would be quite a different story to the likes of homeless us or a run down Hillsborough.
70 million losses last year is a shocking number, not least because they were in the prem last year and had prem money to play with. Problem for Leicester is they went full on Leicester and never expected to be ditched back down. Next years finance release based on this year could be eye watering levels of oh shit.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

If honest though, if they went fully tits up and joined the 12 point deduction club, it wouldn't be to the same level as others detriment.
They would appeal to a large number of buyers that could reboot them under new ownership.
Modern stadium, elite level training facilities and quite an asset rich club.
It would be quite a different story to the likes of homeless us or a run down Hillsborough.
70 million losses last year is a shocking number, not least because they were in the prem last year and had prem money to play with. Problem for Leicester is they went full on Leicester and never expected to be ditched back down. Next years finance release based on this year could be eye watering levels of oh shit.

That asset rich part, isn’t that what’s costing them the most? All the facilities costs are eye watering

 

[covcity4life]

Don’t want them to go under. Do want them to spend 25 years or so in the wilderness and being forgotten about, watching joker clubs like Bournemouth enjoy the limelight.

This

They fucking loved it when we were in financial problems

I don't want them to go bust cos just like us they have normal fans who just love their club

But a trip to league 2 or non League wouldn't be bad would it?

 

[viridisman]

That asset rich part, isn’t that what’s costing them the most? All the facilities costs are eye watering

Oh yes, an absolute wheelbarrow of cash each week.
Best thing they could do is sell it rather than absorb its ongoing costs.

 

[viridisman]

I don't want them to go bust cos just like us they have normal fans who just love their club

Some fans when it gets "that" bad would probably welcome the chance of new ownership, Wednesday certainly did.
Our ultimate suffering was when sisu just opened a different company and bought it back.

 

[Dougin]

If they don’t win today they are down. See ya later.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

I think it depends on your age a little as to who you view our rivals as, for me Leicester was a plastic rivalry made out of convenience. Villa have always been our true rivals. I honestly couldn't give a shit about Leicester, was always just another game.

It really does depend on your age.

For us even older ones, it was Wolves.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

I think it depends on your age a little as to who you view our rivals as, for me Leicester was a plastic rivalry made out of convenience. Villa have always been our true rivals. I honestly couldn't give a shit about Leicester, was always just another game.

I dont think you ever went to a Leicester game in the 70s and 80s, some proper bad shit went on between the two clubs, it's called rivalry.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

It also touches on something I was told today, King Power itself is in the shit.

Oh well, the players have a big night out on the piss planned for the weekend, that should cheer their supporters up!

I don't think that's exactly hot off the press...

 

[wingy]

If honest though, if they went fully tits up and joined the 12 point deduction club, it wouldn't be to the same level as others detriment.
They would appeal to a large number of buyers that could reboot them under new ownership.
Modern stadium, elite level training facilities and quite an asset rich club.
It would be quite a different story to the likes of homeless us or a run down Hillsborough.
70 million losses last year is a shocking number, not least because they were in the prem last year and had prem money to play with. Problem for Leicester is they went full on Leicester and never expected to be ditched back down. Next years finance release based on this year could be eye watering levels of oh shit.

Robin's to the rescue?