How did MVE allow the goal scorer to just pass him he's 25 yards from goal awful defending by him.
How did MVE allow the goal scorer to just pass him he's 25 yards from goal awful defending by him.There's no chance for the first, he wouldn't have been anywhere near as left sided centreback. Milan and Woolfie are too deep and EMC completely MIA defensively pulls Grimes out and leaves grimes and Dasilva 3v2 so like Kitching he would have been pulled across, and wouldn't be anywhere near the player to follow in the shot, who ran past Milan in the right back area.
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Second maybe, but given that our centrebacks zonal mark, it's likely like Kitching he wouldn't have been in the right position. The biggest issue there is letting the ball get through in the first place.
This isn't having a go at Lati or dissing him, he's been solid but it's too easy to say we prevent both goals if Lati plays. Whilst our record with him playing is outstanding, we have conceded goals with him on the pitch.
This is a weird take. You’ve only got to look at the pic to see Woolf is very much at fault - from that starting position he can’t beat their 9 to any decent delivery into the box.Lati did his best to singlehandedly throw away the result at Bristol lol
I'm not sure I'd blame either of the CBs for the goals - first one, it's a dangerous ball in and quite unfortunate with the combination of Rushworth and the post putting it right on Downes' toe.
He didn't touch it though?This is a weird take. You’ve only got to look at the pic to see Woolf is very much at fault - from that starting position he can’t beat their 9 to any decent delivery into the box.
I also doubt we concede either of those goals with him on the pitch.Lati had to take that red card because he dithered on the ball/gave it a way which he’s done a few times prior (Sheff U and maybe WBA).
He’s played well in this stretch but was only a moment or two from disaster. We went 2-0 up with 10 men and ended up winning the game so it was all sun and rainbows… had we dropped points the perception of Lati would’ve been much more harsh.
Why?I also doubt we concede either of those goals with him on the pitch.
Lati's mythical "no nonsense" aura would've kept them outWhy?
I can’t see how he stops either goal.
Why?
I can’t see how he stops either goal.
It's not kitchings man, our centre backs zonal mark, that's why you have the likes of Grimes against the big centre halves.Wouldn’t have lost his man at a corner for a start.
He doesn't switch off and ignore the runner for one, and doesn't stand ball watching for the other.Why?
I can’t see how he stops either goal.
Maybe true, but he's much worse in possession, doesn't have the ability to step into midfield like the others do. It's pick your poison really.
Maybe true, but he's much worse in possession, doesn't have the ability to step into midfield like the others do. It's pick your poison really.
Lati literally never does it unless forced, and it limits us in possession on his sideI mean kitch and Woolf try it more... But they were both incredibly bad on the ball yesterday.
Yeah we should also pick our strikers based on who is best coming back for comers.
So what you’re saying is we put 8 of our own players in the 6 yard box and conceded there anyway, should have been two.It's not kitchings man, our centre backs zonal mark, that's why you have the likes of Grimes against the big centre halves.
Esse - Simms - Kitching - Woolfie are zonal marking, Torp on the front post.
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The first corner they nearly scored from, from the other side
Eccles on the front post then
Woolfie - Kitching - Onyeka - Sakamoto zonal marking
Woolfie just happens it have an attacker stood next to him
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Yeah we've been doing it all season. Hybrid, some zonal some marking.So what you’re saying is we put 8 of our own players in the 6 yard box and conceded there anyway, should have been two.
It’s just madness.
Yeah we've been doing it all season. Hybrid, some zonal some marking.
Yes you are marking a space not a man.Does zonal marking mean you don’t pick up a man free a yard away in the six yard box when you’re marking no one?
Yes you are marking a space not a man.
Haha well it's exactly what our defensive coach did and exactly what zonal marking is about.Im glad you’re not our defensive coach.
And it’s nonsensical when we keep conceding goals from corners in and around the 6 yard box. When we win possession there’s no out ball, when we clear it the ball comes straight back in.Yeah we've been doing it all season. Hybrid, some zonal some marking.
Haha well it's exactly what our defensive coach did and exactly what zonal marking is about.
I'm not a fan of it, it's why we have to bring everyone back.And it’s nonsensical when we keep conceding goals from corners in and around the 6 yard box. When we win possession there’s no out ball, when we clear it the ball comes straight back in.
End the madness and leave 3 players up, or at least put a defender in there who won’t just leave people free to tap in from 6 yards.
By definition it doesn't mean you mark the nearest man eitherIt’s really not what zonal marking is about. It doesn’t mean you stay rooted to one spot when someone is in your zone.
It is, it's about maintaining a structure and compactness and marking space.Haha well it's exactly what our defensive coach did and exactly what zonal marking is about.
If you leave 3 players up, you maintain a two man advantage in the penalty area but you have fewer opponents to worry about and your keeper has a chance of claiming the ball in. We're doing what we're doing because the Prem teams/Pep does it but don't have the positional discipline to make it work.I'm not a fan of it, it's why we have to bring everyone back.
do we concede that many goals from corners?If you leave 3 players up, you maintain a two man advantage in the penalty area but you have fewer opponents to worry about and your keeper has a chance of claiming the ball in. We're doing what we're doing because the Prem teams/Pep does it but don't have the positional discipline to make it work.
If it's not working defensively, gives us problems with the second phase and denies us counter attacking possibilities, I don't understand why we're sticking with it.
The data is surprisingly difficult to find but my gut feeling is we're conceding from them at a higher rate than the typical average of around 3%.do we concede that many goals from corners?
It is, it's about maintaining a structure and compactness and marking space.
Kitching space is the furthest half of the 6 yard box. If he follows their player he ends the wrong half of the goal leaving a massive gap at the back, which is his job to mark.
There's 4 players at the front post that should deal with the corner.
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Not the point, since he easily could have. Why is Woolf behind him in that situation? The 9 would have beaten him to any decent ball in the air as well.He didn't touch it though?
Can't have been much worse than woolfieMaybe true, but he's much worse in possession, doesn't have the ability to step into midfield like the others do. It's pick your poison really.
all a bit hypotheticalNot the point, since he easily could have. Why is Woolf behind him in that situation? The 9 would have beaten him to any decent ball in the air as well.
Woolf is still better than Lati. And it's more about confidence or willingness, Lati would never take the step into midfield areas.Can't have been much worse than woolfie
Wouldn’t have lost his man at a corner for a start.
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