Lati (10 Viewers)

coop · 2026-03-15T14:56:31+0000

stupot07 said:
There's no chance for the first, he wouldn't have been anywhere near as left sided centreback. Milan and Woolfie are too deep and EMC completely MIA defensively pulls Grimes out and leaves grimes and Dasilva 3v2 so like Kitching he would have been pulled across, and wouldn't be anywhere near the player to follow in the shot, who ran past Milan in the right back area.

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Second maybe, but given that our centrebacks zonal mark, it's likely like Kitching he wouldn't have been in the right position. The biggest issue there is letting the ball get through in the first place.

This isn't having a go at Lati or dissing him, he's been solid but it's too easy to say we prevent both goals if Lati plays. Whilst our record with him playing is outstanding, we have conceded goals with him on the pitch.

How did MVE allow the goal scorer to just pass him he's 25 yards from goal awful defending by him.

trakia plovdiv · 2026-03-15T15:02:17+0000

skybluecam said:
Lati did his best to singlehandedly throw away the result at Bristol lol

I'm not sure I'd blame either of the CBs for the goals - first one, it's a dangerous ball in and quite unfortunate with the combination of Rushworth and the post putting it right on Downes' toe.

This is a weird take. You’ve only got to look at the pic to see Woolf is very much at fault - from that starting position he can’t beat their 9 to any decent delivery into the box.

skybluecam · 2026-03-15T15:05:40+0000

trakia plovdiv said:
This is a weird take. You’ve only got to look at the pic to see Woolf is very much at fault - from that starting position he can’t beat their 9 to any decent delivery into the box.

He didn't touch it though?

Brighton Sky Blue · 2026-03-15T15:32:26+0000

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Lati had to take that red card because he dithered on the ball/gave it a way which he’s done a few times prior (Sheff U and maybe WBA).

He’s played well in this stretch but was only a moment or two from disaster. We went 2-0 up with 10 men and ended up winning the game so it was all sun and rainbows… had we dropped points the perception of Lati would’ve been much more harsh.

I also doubt we concede either of those goals with him on the pitch.

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · 2026-03-15T16:07:03+0000

No no no, it'll be Bobby at the back with NO Haji in attack.

Mucca Mad Boys · 2026-03-15T16:40:37+0000

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I also doubt we concede either of those goals with him on the pitch.

Why?

I can’t see how he stops either goal.

skybluecam · 2026-03-15T16:41:41+0000

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Why?

I can’t see how he stops either goal.

Lati's mythical "no nonsense" aura would've kept them out

shmmeee · 2026-03-15T16:47:24+0000

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Why?

I can’t see how he stops either goal.

Wouldn’t have lost his man at a corner for a start.

stupot07 · 2026-03-15T16:51:01+0000

shmmeee said:
Wouldn’t have lost his man at a corner for a start.

It's not kitchings man, our centre backs zonal mark, that's why you have the likes of Grimes against the big centre halves.

Esse - Simms - Kitching - Woolfie are zonal marking, Torp on the front post.

The first corner they nearly scored from, from the other side

Eccles on the front post then

Woolfie - Kitching - Onyeka - Sakamoto zonal marking

Woolfie just happens it have an attacker stood next to him

Brighton Sky Blue · 2026-03-15T16:53:17+0000

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Why?

I can’t see how he stops either goal.

He doesn't switch off and ignore the runner for one, and doesn't stand ball watching for the other.

Notwithstanding our insanity at defending corners where we should also have conceded from one in the first half.

TomRad85 · 2026-03-15T16:55:36+0000

I don't overly rate Lati, but I dont like to shit on players when we're top of the league. I think i'd probably have him in over Kitching on current form, despite the fact I rate Kitching more highly generally and despite the criminal fuck up at Bristol.

Thomas is our best CB by a mile and I'd imagine the only one we'll see semi regularly in the Prem next season, the other 3 all do weird shit at times and I think at least 2 of them leave in the summer. If they leave off the back of a promotion, they leave with my thanks.

skybluegod · 2026-03-15T17:01:22+0000

skybluecam said:
Maybe true, but he's much worse in possession, doesn't have the ability to step into midfield like the others do. It's pick your poison really.

I mean kitch and Woolf try it more... But they were both incredibly bad on the ball yesterday.

shmmeee · 2026-03-15T17:03:47+0000

skybluecam said:
Maybe true, but he's much worse in possession, doesn't have the ability to step into midfield like the others do. It's pick your poison really.

Yeah we should also pick our strikers based on who is best coming back for comers.

skybluecam · 2026-03-15T17:04:43+0000

skybluegod said:
I mean kitch and Woolf try it more... But they were both incredibly bad on the ball yesterday.

Lati literally never does it unless forced, and it limits us in possession on his side

What makes you say they were incredibly bad?

skybluecam · 2026-03-15T17:05:01+0000

shmmeee said:
Yeah we should also pick our strikers based on who is best coming back for comers.

Brighton Sky Blue · 2026-03-15T17:09:52+0000

stupot07 said:
It's not kitchings man, our centre backs zonal mark, that's why you have the likes of Grimes against the big centre halves.

Esse - Simms - Kitching - Woolfie are zonal marking, Torp on the front post.

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The first corner they nearly scored from, from the other side

Eccles on the front post then

Woolfie - Kitching - Onyeka - Sakamoto zonal marking

Woolfie just happens it have an attacker stood next to him

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So what you’re saying is we put 8 of our own players in the 6 yard box and conceded there anyway, should have been two.

It’s just madness.

stupot07 · 2026-03-15T17:12:13+0000

Brighton Sky Blue said:
So what you’re saying is we put 8 of our own players in the 6 yard box and conceded there anyway, should have been two.

It’s just madness.

Yeah we've been doing it all season. Hybrid, some zonal some marking.

shmmeee · 2026-03-15T17:13:08+0000

stupot07 said:
Yeah we've been doing it all season. Hybrid, some zonal some marking.

Does zonal marking mean you don’t pick up a man free a yard away in the six yard box when you’re marking no one?

stupot07 · 2026-03-15T17:15:01+0000

shmmeee said:
Does zonal marking mean you don’t pick up a man free a yard away in the six yard box when you’re marking no one?

Yes you are marking a space not a man.

shmmeee · 2026-03-15T17:15:42+0000

stupot07 said:
Yes you are marking a space not a man.

Im glad you’re not our defensive coach.

stupot07 · 2026-03-15T17:16:36+0000

shmmeee said:
Im glad you’re not our defensive coach.

Haha well it's exactly what our defensive coach did and exactly what zonal marking is about.

Brighton Sky Blue · 2026-03-15T17:16:51+0000

stupot07 said:
Yeah we've been doing it all season. Hybrid, some zonal some marking.

And it’s nonsensical when we keep conceding goals from corners in and around the 6 yard box. When we win possession there’s no out ball, when we clear it the ball comes straight back in.

End the madness and leave 3 players up, or at least put a defender in there who won’t just leave people free to tap in from 6 yards.

shmmeee · 2026-03-15T17:17:48+0000

stupot07 said:
Haha well it's exactly what our defensive coach did and exactly what zonal marking is about.

It’s really not what zonal marking is about. It doesn’t mean you stay rooted to one spot when someone is in your zone.

stupot07 · 2026-03-15T17:19:33+0000

Brighton Sky Blue said:
And it’s nonsensical when we keep conceding goals from corners in and around the 6 yard box. When we win possession there’s no out ball, when we clear it the ball comes straight back in.

End the madness and leave 3 players up, or at least put a defender in there who won’t just leave people free to tap in from 6 yards.

I'm not a fan of it, it's why we have to bring everyone back.

skybluecam · 2026-03-15T17:20:46+0000

shmmeee said:
It’s really not what zonal marking is about. It doesn’t mean you stay rooted to one spot when someone is in your zone.

By definition it doesn't mean you mark the nearest man either

Watching that corner back the problem is that no one gets anything on it before it arrives in the 6 yard box, that's where the errors are really. None of Esse, Torp or Simms are making an active attempt to play the ball, they all just jump in place.

stupot07 · 2026-03-15T17:21:28+0000

stupot07 said:
Haha well it's exactly what our defensive coach did and exactly what zonal marking is about.

It is, it's about maintaining a structure and compactness and marking space.

Kitching space is the furthest half of the 6 yard box. If he follows their player he ends the wrong half of the goal leaving a massive gap at the back, which is his job to mark.

There's 4 players at the front post that should deal with the corner.

Brighton Sky Blue · 2026-03-15T17:22:12+0000

stupot07 said:
I'm not a fan of it, it's why we have to bring everyone back.

If you leave 3 players up, you maintain a two man advantage in the penalty area but you have fewer opponents to worry about and your keeper has a chance of claiming the ball in. We're doing what we're doing because the Prem teams/Pep does it but don't have the positional discipline to make it work.

If it's not working defensively, gives us problems with the second phase and denies us counter attacking possibilities, I don't understand why we're sticking with it.

skybluecam · 2026-03-15T17:27:37+0000

Brighton Sky Blue said:
If you leave 3 players up, you maintain a two man advantage in the penalty area but you have fewer opponents to worry about and your keeper has a chance of claiming the ball in. We're doing what we're doing because the Prem teams/Pep does it but don't have the positional discipline to make it work.

If it's not working defensively, gives us problems with the second phase and denies us counter attacking possibilities, I don't understand why we're sticking with it.

do we concede that many goals from corners?

Brighton Sky Blue · 2026-03-15T17:57:28+0000

skybluecam said:
do we concede that many goals from corners?

The data is surprisingly difficult to find but my gut feeling is we're conceding from them at a higher rate than the typical average of around 3%.

shmmeee · 2026-03-15T18:12:43+0000

stupot07 said:
It is, it's about maintaining a structure and compactness and marking space.

Kitching space is the furthest half of the 6 yard box. If he follows their player he ends the wrong half of the goal leaving a massive gap at the back, which is his job to mark.

There's 4 players at the front post that should deal with the corner.

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In that image fair enough. In the first there was a man in his zone.

trakia plovdiv · 2026-03-15T18:17:34+0000

skybluecam said:
He didn't touch it though?

Not the point, since he easily could have. Why is Woolf behind him in that situation? The 9 would have beaten him to any decent ball in the air as well.

Gibbo · 2026-03-15T18:20:27+0000

skybluecam said:
Maybe true, but he's much worse in possession, doesn't have the ability to step into midfield like the others do. It's pick your poison really.

Can't have been much worse than woolfie

skybluecam · 2026-03-15T18:27:17+0000

trakia plovdiv said:
Not the point, since he easily could have. Why is Woolf behind him in that situation? The 9 would have beaten him to any decent ball in the air as well.

all a bit hypothetical

skybluecam · 2026-03-15T18:29:32+0000

Gibbo said:
Can't have been much worse than woolfie

Woolf is still better than Lati. And it's more about confidence or willingness, Lati would never take the step into midfield areas.

Grendel · 2026-03-15T18:29:53+0000

shmmeee said:
Wouldn’t have lost his man at a corner for a start.

We zonal mark - it was Simms at fault

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