Last 10 games (6 Viewers)

[skybluelee]

4 wins, 4 draws, 2 defeats, 16 points. Extrapolated over 40 games we'd currently be 4th in the table.

Who knows what he could have achieved if SISU hadn't ripped the squad apart.

Well done AT for a remarkable turnaround at the business end of the season.

 

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[covcity4life]

maybe wed be in admin?

also arent sisu still here? if your gonna knock them maybe you should give them some credit for the loan signings?

the squad isnt that much different to wen we started the season, you cant just give all the praise AT but none of the blame

 

[Houchens Head]

My God! There's always the ones that have got to knock a bit of fun! All the OP was stating was that if we'd have had this sort of form all season we could have been 4th at the moment! :facepalm:

 

[johnwillomagic]

Houchen's head you have made yourself look a bit of a moron with that statement!

If he was "having a bit of fun" as you put it then there would be no need for the sisu comment at all......I also did not see any smileys at all after he made the remark therefore not a bit of fun he was being serious.

Covcity4life makes far more sense - I am pro-Thorn but a lot of people in my camp are making themselves look like real idiots on here at the moment.

Where would we be with those players...probably about 16th as that's where we finished with them.......if we had them all no way we could afford the loanees who have undoubtedly helped our cause......you cannot have it both ways sure Norwood was rated far more highly in a recent poll than Gunnar for instance?? I think Sisu made the decision to sell Juke not Thorn and results have picked up after that. It was a huge risk but ulitmatelyone that hopefully will pay off. We do not have sugar daddy unfortunately and with Finanicl Fair Play kickin in I think we are approaching thins in the right way to ensure we still have a club to support!

 

[kg82]

Houchen's head you have made yourself look a bit of a moron with that statement!

If he was "having a bit of fun" as you put it then there would be no need for the sisu comment at all......I also did not see any smileys at all after he made the remark therefore not a bit of fun he was being serious.

Covcity4life makes far more sense - I am pro-Thorn but a lot of people in my camp are making themselves look like real idiots on here at the moment.

Where would we be with those players...probably about 16th as that's where we finished with them.......if we had them all no way we could afford the loanees who have undoubtedly helped our cause......you cannot have it both ways sure Norwood was rated far more highly in a recent poll than Gunnar for instance?? I think Sisu made the decision to sell Juke not Thorn and results have picked up after that. It was a huge risk but ulitmatelyone that hopefully will pay off. We do not have sugar daddy unfortunately and with Finanicl Fair Play kickin in I think we are approaching thins in the right way to ensure we still have a club to support!

Hold on, you said there that getting rid of Juke was a risk. So you admit that. So, do you think SISU cashed in on Jke purely for footballing reasons? Do you think they said to themselves if they got rid of him we'd play better and pick up more points?! Fair play to Thorn and the players for getting us into this position but I won't thank SISU or give them any credit for decisions which could still, ultimately, send us into L1.

 

[johnwillomagic]

It basically boils down to would you rather have Juke, Eastwood, Mc Pake & Rod vs Norwood, Nimely & Herman. You can't have them all we have lways been a seliing club to varying extents since I have been supporting us.

Everyone mentions losing Westwood, King, Gunnar etc but we did not get much money for these....

 

[kg82]

It basically boils down to would you rather have Juke, Eastwood, Mc Pake & Rod vs Norwood, Nimely & Herman. You can't have them all we have lways been a seliing club to varying extents since I have been supporting us.

Everyone mentions losing Westwood, King, Gunnar etc but we did not get much money for these....

That's not what I'm saying. I'm making the point that Juke was our top scorer and he hasn't been sold for footballing reasons, he's been sold to cash in. That's taking a massive risk with our clubs future. There was no guarantee we'd even get Nimely and Norwood or whoever else we may have been after and then to add to that, there was no guarantee they'd work out.

 

[johnwillomagic]

What player ever is sold from a club for "football" reasons......? Particularly most clubs who have to sell and barter and balance the books. Regarding Juke the financial side definitely played a part but also think that Juke's head was turned by Middlesboro and he wantd to go anyhow.

In which case decision to sell partly due to player/football reasons. I agree there was no guarantee loans would work out but that is the nature of the beast. Look at Torres move to Chelsea and Carrol's to Liverpool for instance....both players moved on not entirely for "football' reasons?

 

[Godiva]

4 wins, 4 draws, 2 defeats, 16 points. Extrapolated over 40 games we'd currently be 4th in the table.

Who knows what he could have achieved if SISU hadn't ripped the squad apart.

Well done AT for a remarkable turnaround at the business end of the season.

Well, let me throw some gasolin in the fire.

What would our league position be now, if the sisu-out-campaign never emerged?
The poor results started as the campaign accelerated and then improved as the campaign crumbled.

To those who slated me last autum when I said the unrest had a direct impact on the results: Now do you believe?

 

[kg82]

What player ever is sold from a club for "football" reasons......? Particularly most clubs who have to sell and barter and balance the books. Regarding Juke the financial side definitely played a part but also think that Juke's head was turned by Middlesboro and he wantd to go anyhow.

In which case decision to sell partly due to player/football reasons. I agree there was no guarantee loans would work out but that is the nature of the beast. Look at Torres move to Chelsea and Carrol's to Liverpool for instance....both players moved on not entirely for "football' reasons?

Well, considering we were on an uphill battle at the time I'm of the opinion it was a completely foolish decision. a risk too much and shows they're total lack of respect for supporters.

 

[coundonskyblue]

What player ever is sold from a club for "football" reasons......? QUOTE]

Kevin Kyle, Gary Borrowdale, Michael Hughes, Julian Gray, Fat Freddy (not actually sold yet but as good as).

 

[coundonskyblue]

Well, let me throw some gasolin in the fire.

What would our league position be now, if the sisu-out-campaign never emerged?
The poor results started as the campaign accelerated and then improved as the campaign crumbled.

To those who slated me last autum when I said the unrest had a direct impact on the results: Now do you believe?

Im sorry but that is factually incorrect.

The first big anti sisu game was Derby, our first win of the season.

 

[johnwillomagic]

Hmm Coundon sky blue with those list of players you have made yourself look a tad foolish! How many of those were sold......??? Hmm sold/released are two different things. Of your list I think only Borrowdale may have fetched a fee the rest were/will be released at the end of their contract for nowt......

 

[Godiva]

Im sorry but that is factually incorrect.

The first big anti sisu game was Derby, our first win of the season.

Well, how convenient you can pick out one game. But in fact the sisu-out movement started to gain momentum in the summer even before the season started. And looking at the period from season start till christmas when the soc started to crumble, we won two - 2! - games in 21.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The SISU out protests also brought CCFC to national media attention, giving the owners some real negative publicity, which forced them to make a pretence of giving some support to the manager.

 

[kg82]

Hmm Coundon sky blue with those list of players you have made yourself look a tad foolish! How many of those were sold......??? Hmm sold/released are two different things. Of your list I think only Borrowdale may have fetched a fee the rest were/will be released at the end of their contract for nowt......

Stop calling people fools or morons!

 

[coundonskyblue]

Well, how convenient you can pick out one game. But in fact the sisu-out movement started to gain momentum in the summer even before the season started. And looking at the period from season start till christmas when the soc started to crumble, we won two - 2! - games in 21.

Well the plan for the boycott of the FA cup game began at the start of December, which also happened to be the first month we won two games!

Please give me an example of just one game where the protests led to us losing?

 

[johnwillomagic]

Fair enough kg82 but surely anyone can see names listed by coundon sky blue were how shall I put it very wrong in terms of a reply about players bein "SOLD" for money? No-one has come back to me with a counter argument saying I am wrong and those players listed were sold for lots of money??

 

[kg82]

Fair enough kg82 but surely anyone can see names listed by coundon sky blue were how shall I put it very wrong in terms of a reply about players bein "SOLD" for money? No-one has come back to me with a counter argument saying I am wrong and those players listed were sold for lots of money??

Craig Bellamy. Nobody wanted him, he didn't want to be here. There's a fair few transfers that are for that reason. Lee Hughes was another. Don't think Juke would have minded staying, the fans would have liked him to stay. The owners sold for no other reason than to cash in, probably thinking we were already relegated then too.

 

[coundonskyblue]

Fair enough kg82 but surely anyone can see names listed by coundon sky blue were how shall I put it very wrong in terms of a reply about players bein "SOLD" for money? No-one has come back to me with a counter argument saying I am wrong and those players listed were sold for lots of money??

You'll have to forgive me for not having my 23 volumes of former CCFC players to hand hence making myself look foolish.

Im pretty sure over the last 125 years we've had players sold for football reasons.

 

[Godiva]

The SISU out protests also brought CCFC to national media attention, giving the owners some real negative publicity, which forced them to make a pretence of giving some support to the manager.

I don't think anyone or anything forced sisu into giving AT any more support than the financial situation allowed for.
It is much more likely that if the soc campaign drove fans away from home matches, then sisu were forced to give less support than planned.

 

[johnwillomagic]

My point is that most transfers are for a mixture of financial & footballing reasons.

I am sure I do not have to trawl through volumes of sky blue history to find prevous owners selling players partly for financial reasons........Robbie Keane, Bellamy, Dublin, Kirkland, Speedie....the list goes on. What Sisu did with Juke has happened with our club for years and years and years we do not have a Roman yet......we have an owner who is unwilling to fund huge losses year in year out in the tough financial climate we find ourselves in now.

Would I like a sugar daddy, hell yes of course but an irresponsible owner can leave you in a heap of shit/no club at all.

Honestly I do not think the Hoffman deal will be a sugar daddy deal.....so we will remain a selling club........will there be more transparency if they do take over.......hmm I would hope so but do not think it is a guarantee.

 

[Houchens Head]

Houchen's head you have made yourself look a bit of a moron with that statement!

I take offence to that statement!! I am a FULL moron and proud of it!!

 

[johnwillomagic]

Me too Houchen me too!

I think your defence of the op was admirable though misplaced......the whole sisu debate that has kicked off from his initial statement sort of proves it. Why oh why did he have to mention SISU?

On a positive note our form is good at the moment........but as they say form is temporary......just hope our temporary form continues for the next vital six games! imp:

 

[kg82]

My point is that most transfers are for a mixture of financial & footballing reasons.

I am sure I do not have to trawl through volumes of sky blue history to find prevous owners selling players partly for financial reasons........Robbie Keane, Bellamy, Dublin, Kirkland, Speedie....the list goes on. What Sisu did with Juke has happened with our club for years and years and years we do not have a Roman yet......we have an owner who is unwilling to fund huge losses year in year out in the tough financial climate we find ourselves in now.

Would I like a sugar daddy, hell yes of course but an irresponsible owner can leave you in a heap of shit/no club at all.

Honestly I do not think the Hoffman deal will be a sugar daddy deal.....so we will remain a selling club........will there be more transparency if they do take over.......hmm I would hope so but do not think it is a guarantee.

Yes, I get your point. I was not arguing that point. You seem to fail to see mine though. At the point they sold Juke we needed our top scorer. They didn't care and thy sold him. That risked everything in our fight to get out of the relegation zone and showed absolute disrepect to the fans.

 

[johnwillomagic]

Hi kg82 yes I get your point. I think in your mind Sisu were 100% behind the Juke deal entirely and neither the player or Andy Thorn had any involvement in the transfer? If that is entirely correct then I understand entirely your viewpoint and probably would support it.

However......

I think it was not "all" Sisu - I think Juke's head was turned by the earlier bid from Boro....his agent liked the deal and wages on offer and advised Juke to move. Juke himself at the time probably weighed uphis options and league positions and "wanted" to move to Boro......he may not have formally put in a request but I think he would have made his feelings known.

AT although did not want to lose him probably knew writing was on the wall after first failed bid to be fair.......I would think although of course he would not have wanted to lose Juke the wages and transfer fee at least allowed him to get in a few loans to freshen things up and in came Nimely, Norwood and Hermann!

I suppose neither of us will ever know the actual "whole" truth of this transfer, I said when it happened if it was decent money then it was a good piece of business.....even though I would have loved to have kept him. I just felt squad needed a bit of freshening up anyhow.

Things are probably never as black or white as seeminly the "divide" in this forum appears on both sides. I do not think sisu are entirely to blame for our predicament nor do I think they are exempt same for AT and some of the "senior" players certainly with their early season performances.