Knee Jerk Reaction.... (1 Viewer)

CovisGod · Oct 12, 2014

Anyone else think that the Pressley Out brigade might be being a bit hasty ? Yeah we've had a shite start but the blokes only just signed a new contract, getting him out now would be costly and I'm not sure we would attract anyone better. I agree not all (if any) of his signings have been much cop but I honestly don't think he's a bad manager. Yeah he's playing a formation that none of them seem to be able to grasp but I reckon we should stick with him. We're still only 5 points outside the playoffs, get a run going at this point and people will be talking about Pressley getting knighted for Christ sake. Stop jumping on the bandwagon people, were not Barcelona, we've always been an inconsistent club but I'm not sure it's Pressley that's the problem.

Rusty Trombone · Oct 12, 2014

We have a small squad, one that is worse than last year. We need to see how the results go when his first 11 is available, if the results are poor then, and he refuses to try anything different, then I don't see any option but to try someone else. Certainly too soon to sack him now.

Evo1883 · Oct 12, 2014

He has been here 2 years , its becoming increasingly obvious that off field issues have given him a free pass to failure .
put it however way you like it , i wouldnt call 10 wins in the last 43 league games as "knee jerk" . At this level in this division , id call that awful.
Why can other managers on smaller budgets put together better starting 11s (swindon) , he has bought in 31 players , yes all free and loans but again something that is very commonplace throughout league 1.
Its amazing that i can list reasons ror him to go , but cant seem to put together 2-3 reasons For him staying

skybluetony176 · Oct 12, 2014

Definitely. Not even looking at the threads suggesting it. I'm not saying he's above criticism, the formation is pants for instance but you need to look at the bigger picture. He's only ever done this job with one hand tied behind his back by SISU and for more than one reason. If he lasts until next season hopefully we will have had the longest period of stability for a long time and funds will be available to strengthen the squad in numbers and quality next season. If we're still in the same on the field situation then this time next season people will probably have a point. But for now people need to ask themselves if he goes are we really going to attract a better manager? I doubt it.

oscillatewildly · Oct 12, 2014

It may be too early for the owners to consider dismissal, but given all relevant stats, nigh on time for fans to mention the possibility - even if only serving as a means to give SP food for thought.

Mr T - Sukka! · Oct 12, 2014

Many people maybe happy with division 3 lower table side. In a relegation battle.

Some others have higher ambitions for CCFC. And have certain standards to be met.

I know which camp im in.

stupot07 · Oct 12, 2014

Mr T - Sukka! said:
Many people maybe happy with division 3 lower table side. In a relegation battle.

Some others have higher ambitions for CCFC. And have certain standards to be met.

I know which camp im in.

If wasps manage to get 100% of the ACL, and we're left as tenants with little/no revenue then you'll need to re-evaluate those ambitions and standards..

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Evo1883 · Oct 12, 2014

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...zsnutQQ11euAJdb4A&sig2=pcrYBMfAsqoytRhEIRtpDA

link is long sorry , shows transfers in league 1 , see how many clubs actually spend anything, this league is full of frees and loans , with 1 or two teams spending anything

Otis · Oct 12, 2014

Yep, too soon to consider sacking him.

He does seriously need to look at whether or not he has the right personnel to deploy the system he is using at the moment though.

5-3-2 / 3-5-2 can work, but you have to have the right players in place,. You do also need to be flexible in your approach and not just stick with a sytem come hell or high water.

Different teams deploy different systems and you have to be prepared to counter that. Against Preston the system was a total disaster.

Evo1883 · Oct 12, 2014

Otis said:
Yep, too soon to consider sacking him.

He does seriously need to look at whether or not he has the right personnel to deploy the system he is using at the moment though.

5-3-2 / 3-5-2 can work, but you have to have the right players in place,. You do also need to be flexible in your approach and not just stick with a sytem come hell or high water.

Different teams deploy different systems and you have to be prepared to counter that. Against Preston the system was a total disaster.

Hands up to preston though , they have a good manager and are well drilled , they looked a good side and i imagine they will be right up top this season

Gaz · Oct 12, 2014

I like SP and want him to do well, but there is nothing knee jerk if people's reactions.
His formation is taking us no where and I'm alarmed he can't see it.
If it's the same come January then I think he should go.
I don't jump on a manager at the first sign of trouble, the results simply haven't been good enough and if he has to play 5 deffenders at the back to try and stop us conceding lots of goals then that highlights where we're going under him.

skybluebeduff · Oct 12, 2014

CovisGod said:
Anyone else think that the Pressley Out brigade might be being a bit hasty ? Yeah we've had a shite start but the blokes only just signed a new contract, getting him out now would be costly and I'm not sure we would attract anyone better. I agree not all (if any) of his signings have been much cop but I honestly don't think he's a bad manager. Yeah he's playing a formation that none of them seem to be able to grasp but I reckon we should stick with him. We're still only 5 points outside the playoffs, get a run going at this point and people will be talking about Pressley getting knighted for Christ sake. Stop jumping on the bandwagon people, were not Barcelona, we've always been an inconsistent club but I'm not sure it's Pressley that's the problem.

1 point off relegation though, and where are we going to get the wins from?

Knee jerk reactions can sometimes save a season. This season is starting to look like we need saving already!

italiahorse · Oct 12, 2014

I would have thought the contract would have included some performance criteria.

Like .... we expect to be in the top 6 this season, failing to achieve that results in some agreed criteria.
Maybe, top half by Xmas ready for a push for promotion in the new year. Again with implications.
If they gave him a 4 year contract without criteria they are even bigger idiots than I thought.

Otis · Oct 12, 2014

italiahorse said:
I would have thought the contract would have included some performance criteria.

Like .... we expect to be in the top 6 this season, failing to achieve that results in some agreed criteria.
Maybe, top half by Xmas ready for a push for promotion in the new year. Again with implications.
If they gave him a 4 year contract without criteria they are even bigger idiots than I thought.

There would have been expectations put upon him surely!

This is Sisu though, so who knows.

Rusty Trombone · Oct 12, 2014

CraigSBA said:
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...zsnutQQ11euAJdb4A&sig2=pcrYBMfAsqoytRhEIRtpDA

link is long sorry , shows transfers in league 1 , see how many clubs actually spend anything, this league is full of frees and loans , with 1 or two teams spending anything

So we're in the same boat as most of the league, and most teams aren't in the top 6.

Evo1883 · Oct 12, 2014

Rusty Trombone said:
So we're in the same boat as most of the league, and most teams aren't in the top 6.

Yes except we have a higher wage budget than 16 of the 24 teams ...according to waggot and fishface.

Otis · Oct 12, 2014

CraigSBA said:
Yes except we have a higher wage budget than 16 of the 24 teams ...addording to waggot and fishface

If Wagott and Fishface told you it was going to rain, would you grab your umbrella, or put on your Bermuda shorts and suntan lotion?

rupert_bear · Oct 12, 2014

How long do you think Pressley would last if the ownership of our club change hands ?

shy_tall_knight · Oct 12, 2014

"a free pass to failure" - a great statement tactics / formation are clearly down to him. New players / loan signings - on the whole have been very poor during his reign not sure how much is down to him or Waggott. Regardless of formation just think since Xmas there have been too many poor players - Fonz Akpong Tudgay

rupert_bear · Oct 12, 2014

Waggott definitely signs and introduces players to the manager/club ask Mark Robins

Rusty Trombone · Oct 12, 2014

CraigSBA said:
Yes except we have a higher wage budget than 16 of the 24 teams ...according to waggot and fishface.

We're all well aware that they like to be clever with words.

1. We have a higher wage budget.

2. We have a higher wage bill.

Two statements that could be read as being the same, but actually are different.

Otis · Oct 12, 2014

rupert_bear said:
How long do you think Pressley would last if the ownership of our club change hands ?

About 12 minutes.

ccfc1234 · Oct 12, 2014

35% win ratio is why people are posing questions and rightly so. That's abysmal in league 1.

SkyBlueSid · Oct 12, 2014

Mr T - Sukka! said:
Many people maybe happy with division 3 lower table side. In a relegation battle.

Some others have higher ambitions for CCFC. And have certain standards to be met.

I know which camp im in.

I agree. Pressley is always banging on about the standards he has set at the club. But those standards seem to revolve around workrate, intensity, pressing etc. These qualities should go without saying - no team will succeed at this level unless they are willing to graft for 90 minutes, The extra factor that sets the top teams apart is that the grafters also have a bit of quality. Since relegation in 2001 we have seen the squad deteriorate in quality every season to the point where we have nothing but willing runners. It's almost as if Pressley isn't bothered when we lose as long as they have given 100% in his opinion.

As I have said before, we have a point a game in 2014, relegation form. If that doesn't ring a few alarm bells I don't know what will.

Otis · Oct 12, 2014

SkyBlueSid said:
I agree. Pressley is always banging on about the standards he has set at the club. But those standards seem to revolve around workrate, intensity, pressing etc. These qualities should go without saying - no team will succeed at this level unless they are willing to graft for 90 minutes, The extra factor that sets the top teams apart is that the grafters also have a bit of quality. Since relegation in 2001 we have seen the squad deteriorate in quality every season to the point where we have nothing but willing runners. It's almost as if Pressley isn't bothered when we lose as long as they have given 100% in his opinion.

As I have said before, we have a point a game in 2014, relegation form. If that doesn't ring a few alarm bells I don't know what will.

He obviously is bothered, but I honestly think he just believes it will take time and it will all come good in time.

Time is one commodity that is in very short supply in the game of football. Ferguson wouldn't had lasted 5 mins in this current climate we have these days.

Once you go on a losing streak it can be very hard to get out of it, because confidence and morale are very much dented.

Nick · Oct 12, 2014

Thing is, we don't have time.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Oct 12, 2014

We've been shite since the new year, doesn't seem knee jerk to me

SkyBlueSid · Oct 12, 2014

Perhaps Pressley does think he has time, given the fact that he's just signed a 4 year contract, which is unheard of at this level. I thought when I've listened to him after recent games that he is certainly complacent about our plight. He said we were terrific after Crawley and thought we deserved something yesterday because we played well in the second half. So maybe he thinks it will all come right fairly soon.

The flaw in all this is that as and when any of the young players come good they will be sold. So we will always have journeymen and kids, never any proven quality. His master plan simply cannot work. As people say, you have no time in football.

Grendel · Oct 12, 2014

He has to have until the end of 2014 to turn round the situation.

If the same issues persist its time to wave goodbye.

Otis · Oct 12, 2014

Grendel said:
He has to have until the end of 2014 to turn round the situation.

If the same issues persist its time to wave goodbye.

Would agree with that. See where we are at Christmas (unless cast adrift at the bottom).

No improvement and it would give a new man to bring in his own players in Jan.

Evo1883 · Oct 12, 2014

Thorn had a 21% win ratio in a higher league with no experience , was a terrible manager that refused to change things .
pressley has a 22% win ratio in the last 43 league games , and refuses to budge on his tactics .
he can dig his own grave

stupot07 · Oct 12, 2014

CraigSBA said:
Thorn had a 21% win ratio in a higher league with no experience , was a terrible manager that refused to change things .
pressley has a 22% win ratio in the last 43 league games , and refuses to budge on his tactics .
he can dig his own grave

Is there a reason you chose 43 games and not 46 ( a season) ? We'd have played 442 in 3/4 of those games.

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Jack Griffin · Oct 12, 2014

Pressley just needs to keep us up.. there is no requirement to win many games surely, that will not affect the mission.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Oct 12, 2014

SkyBlueSid said:
Perhaps Pressley does think he has time, given the fact that he's just signed a 4 year contract, which is unheard of at this level. I thought when I've listened to him after recent games that he is certainly complacent about our plight. He said we were terrific after Crawley and thought we deserved something yesterday because we played well in the second half. So maybe he thinks it will all come right fairly soon.

The flaw in all this is that as and when any of the young players come good they will be sold. So we will always have journeymen and kids, never any proven quality. His master plan simply cannot work. As people say, you have no time in football.

The most worrying thing thing is he sounds relatively pleased with the performances vs Crawley and Crewe

Otis · Oct 12, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
Pressley just needs to keep us up.. there is no requirement to win many games surely, that will not affect the mission.

If the current model is not sustainable in the Championship as Fisher says, then Pressley is probably getting a pat on the back and crate of bubbly every game at the moment.

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