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  • Start date Mar 20, 2014
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AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #421
@stevecarpo: CCFC board members discussed the rent being too high just one month after signing the deal #SisuvCCC #skyblues
 

Rob S

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #422
duffer said:
I don't think it's a secret that you're a friend of Les Reid, and it seems you've had some information from the SISU side with regard to the case which wasn't easily obtainable from the public domain. On that basis I could challenge your motives as to what you're saying and doing- but I believe you when you say that you're looking at this as a supporter of the club, rather than one side or the other.

I think in fairness it's only reasonable to accept that's also true of people with whom you may not agree, like OSB. To quote a political cliche, it's about playing the ball rather than the man.
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Remember, I've played enough games of footie with you to know your tactics ;-)

For the record, my sources stretch way beyond the Sisu side of things and I can get a decent read on the Council/ACL side too. How do you think I know that both sides will attempt to appeal?

And I stand by my point with OSB. I, along with people from KCIC, the Trust & even PKH post as ourselves. I've actually had an account here for a while but started a new non-anon one to be more transparent about what I'm saying here as I'm part of a fans campaign group. People know where we are coming from. With OSB, I'm not so sure. Just MHO...
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #423
Too late sisu...poor due diligence.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #424
Here you go, just for you:

 

covmark

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #425
sky blue john said:
I heard they backed an arctic lorry up to the court gates !!!
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must have been cold!!!
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #426
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC says if deal for Sisu to buy out ACL debt had been completed, ACL could have charged club lower rent
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #427
torchomatic said:
Not as many times as you though!
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maybe i belived them
 

sky blue john

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #428
Rob S said:
Remember, I've played enough games of footie with you to know your tactics ;-)

For the record, my sources stretch way beyond the Sisu side of things and I can get a decent read on the Council/ACL side too. How do you think I know that both sides will attempt to appeal?

And I stand by my point with OSB. I, along with people from KCIC, the Trust & even PKH post as ourselves. I've actually had an account here for a while but started a new non-anon one to be more transparent about what I'm saying here as I'm part of a fans campaign group. People know where we are coming from. With OSB, I'm not so sure. Just MHO...
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Rob how many members do you have in your fans campaign group ???
 

Rob S

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #429
Re: the £1.4m 'rent' figure. I've heard that this was based on the figures that were calculated on the aborted national stadium that would have been built near Cov. Hopefully I'll have something more concrete in the daily near future.
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #430
sky blue john said:
Rob how many members do you have in your fans campaign group ???
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We don't have members (just like KCIC IIRC).
 

The Reverend Skyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #431
AFCCOVENTRY said:
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC says if deal for Sisu to buy out ACL debt had been completed, ACL could have charged club lower rent
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I have highlighted the important word, the c letter should be a w shouldn't it ,if we believe all they say
 

James Smith

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #432
AJB1983 said:
Seems very shortsighted by CCFC to agree to rent and then within 4 months of moving in not being able to afford it.
Maybe it was don hutchison and Dennis Wises wages that were the problem....;o)
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Never rated DW much as a player until he was playing for us thought he was excellent then
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #433
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC says Higgs charity was advised value of ACL likely £5-6m after club withheld rent.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #434
sky blue john said:
Rob how many members do you have in your fans campaign group ???
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If its more than 6 it beats the number who hold the football league accountable.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #435
AFCCOVENTRY said:
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC says if deal for Sisu to buy out ACL debt had been completed, ACL could have charged club lower rent
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If it's been completed then why are we having this JR? Anyone?
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #436
So sisu withheld rent and took the value of acl down from £9m to £6m.

Shrewd move sisu.

Wonder what the judge thinks to that?
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #437
@stevecarpo: More details of the heads of terms that were agreed between the club and ACL are being discussed #SisuvCCC #pusb
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #438
skybluetony176 said:
If it's been completed then why are we having this JR? Anyone?
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Because they will claim the council then bought the YB loan behind their back.
 

covmark

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #439
skybluetony176 said:
If it's been completed then why are we having this JR? Anyone?
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If and had are the key words in that sentence.
 

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #440
I don't understand all this, was the rent agreed too high, the board knew it was too much back in 2007 or whatever .... I thought this JR was all about did the council missuse public funds/euro grants when they brought the mortgague. Is not everything else a side show?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #441
oops see #446
 
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The Reverend Skyblue

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #442
Grendel said:
If its more than 6 it beats the number who hold the football league accountable.
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G that's totally incorrect, most sane people in here agree the FL have played a big part in our demise and the fact we are playing at Northampton.

I would say there is only a handful who just blame SISU for all the mess we are in
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #443
RegTheDonk said:
I don't understand all this, was the rent agreed too high, the board knew it was too much back in 2007 or whatever .... I thought this JR was all about did the council missuse public funds/euro grants when they brought the mortgague. Is not everything else a side show?
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Its all relevant to see if the council were justified in making that decision.
 

sky blue john

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #444
Rob S said:
We don't have members (just like KCIC IIRC).
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Well how do you know who your representing then other than your own views ?
 
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AJB1983

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #445
And sisu (through CRBE) approached Yorkshire bank behind CCC/acl's back to negotiate buying the debt.
It's like they are ok to so it but if someone plays them at their own game they don't like it.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #446
covmark said:
If and had are the key words in that sentence.
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Sorry, must pay attention. My excuse is I'm full of Hayfever and feeling crap.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #447
The Reverend Skyblue said:
G that's totally incorrect, most sane people in here agree the FL have played a big part in our demise and the fact we are playing at Northampton.

I would say there is only a handful who just blame SISU for all the mess we are in
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Sky blue John is trying to rubbish Rob S by making a direct comparison to the number of members and the stance he takes.

Kcic went to the football league and 6 turned up.

This is the logic of sky blue John not me.
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #448
torchomatic said:
Rob has made several major mistakes since joining:

1. Criticising the council
2. Criticising OSB

Big no no's.
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That's not what I'm saying and you know it. He's made the mistake of suggesting that someone who posts an opinion that he does not agree with works for the other side. It's common enough, that, and unworthy imho.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #449
CCFC are paying Arvo 1.8 million a year in interest alone !!!
Is that the sort of good deal a Sisu owned Acl would provide ????
 

McLovin87

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #450
torchomatic said:
Here you go, just for you:

View attachment 3533
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Bollocks, they've got Tom Cruise from The Firm working for them, we're Fooked!
 

Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #451
Rob S said:
Re: the £1.4m 'rent' figure. I've heard that this was based on the figures that were calculated on the aborted national stadium that would have been built near Cov. Hopefully I'll have something more concrete in the daily near future.
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It was based on the rent ccfc paid at HR, after ccfc sold the land...wasn't it ?
 

Jim

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #452
AFCCOVENTRY said:
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC says if deal for Sisu to buy out ACL debt had been completed, ACL could have charged club lower rent
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Errrrrr...... After CCC bought the debt, ACL DID offer a lower rent.
 

Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #453
Grendel said:
Because they will claim the council then bought the YB loan behind their back.
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The YB loan that they are in no way connected to ?
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #454
Rob S said:
Remember, I've played enough games of footie with you to know your tactics ;-)

For the record, my sources stretch way beyond the Sisu side of things and I can get a decent read on the Council/ACL side too. How do you think I know that both sides will attempt to appeal?

And I stand by my point with OSB. I, along with people from KCIC, the Trust & even PKH post as ourselves. I've actually had an account here for a while but started a new non-anon one to be more transparent about what I'm saying here as I'm part of a fans campaign group. People know where we are coming from. With OSB, I'm not so sure. Just MHO...
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Always get your retaliation in first, Rob. Appeal for everything, nick a yard everytime the ref's back is turned, and nail the goalie at every opportunity. That's I'll I've ever asked for.

OSB is an anonymous fan here like almost everyone else. If there's an issue with what he says, then challenge it based on the facts - it's unfair to do anything else. Fair play to you for going public, but I don't think it needs to be obligatory here.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #455
duffer said:
. Fair play to you for going public, but I don't think it needs to be obligatory here.
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Why not, I'm really a Lord.
 
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