John Fleck Contract Situation (1 Viewer)

Terry Gibson's perm · Apr 19, 2016

covcity4life said:
the guy who scored a worldy on sat

I only saw saw it on the tv as I didn't attend as I was at a child's party (bloody egg chasers arranging parties around their silly game).

he is capable of that sort of thing but hides in so many games, one of our problems this year has been that he and Vincelot play to deep and if Murphy crosses a ball in most of the time Fleck is just crossing the half way line ( I know they are both defensive minded) but you have to have one around the box sometimes.

I would let him go as we need more height in that part of the field and more power

Sky Blue Kid · Apr 19, 2016

superskyblue said:
One argument for a drop in form is that Fleck is the type of player who relies on those around him being on form. He's a passer, if every time he passes to somebody they mis-control it, get tackled or give it away then you could say that he's a waste of time. Also, if people aren't making runs into dangerous positions then how is he going to do anything than play the ball sideways. He's not the type of midfield player to skin 3 players and bang the ball in the net like Dele Alli or arrive late in the box to score goals like Lampard or run around making tackles like Kante. He's reliant on having on-form players around him, so that could be an argument as to why his form appears to have deserted him.

So in your opinion, it's everyone elses fault except Fleck's?

covcity4life · Apr 19, 2016

he has a point.

vincelot been utter shit for months but fleck gets more criticism

Sky Blue Kid · Apr 19, 2016

covcity4life said:
he has a point.

vincelot been utter shit for months but fleck gets more criticism

Vincelot played in the back four a few weeks ago. Fleck made no less than 3 horrendous mistakes about 10 yards outside our own box, and if it wasn't for Vincelot saving Flecks a**e we would have lost by a much bigger margin than 3-1 against P'boro. The sooner people realize these are Pro footballers the better. The times Fleck played either suicide passes or over hit a pass, or under hit a pass that friday night, is nobody's business. You can't blame other players when it is Fleck making the mistakes!

superskyblue · Apr 19, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
So in your opinion, it's everyone elses fault except Fleck's?

No that is not my opinion.

I'm just offering a reason as to why Fleck was so good at the start of the season and not so now. I suspect he is either made to look a lot better than he is (start of the season) or a lot worse than he is (Christmas - now) by the players around him. And that is because of his style of play. Somebody like Jodi Jones can look good in a shite side because he can skin players regardless of what his teammates are doing. Vincelot can look good because he runs around making tackles like a maniac regardless of what everyone else is doing. But Fleck doesn't have those skills - his skills are more reliant on other people.

I do think this is a hindrance, but ultimately it explains why somebody with his natural ability is only playing at League 1 level.

Sky Blue Kid · Apr 19, 2016

superskyblue said:
No that is not my opinion.

I'm just offering a reason as to why Fleck was so good at the start of the season and not so now. I suspect he is either made to look a lot better than he is (start of the season) or a lot worse than he is (Christmas - now) by the players around him. And that is because of his style of play. Somebody like Jodi Jones can look good in a shite side because he can skin players regardless of what his teammates are doing. Vincelot can look good because he runs around making tackles like a maniac regardless of what everyone else is doing. But Fleck doesn't have those skills - his skills are more reliant on other people.

I do think this is a hindrance, but ultimately it explains why somebody with his natural ability is only playing at League 1 level.

Disagree mate. That's like saying CCFC are reliant on the other teams in the league being s**t rather than CCFC beat them fairly and squarely! Fleck has some tremendous footballing ability, but doesn't show the full potential anywhere near as often as he should. Matt Le Tissier was a giant at Southampton, and I often wondered if the players around him were on the same level as he was ability wise. Undaunted, he played his own game, and ultimately he scored a hatfull of goals for them. This isn't down to how good or bad the players around him were. It boiled down to him being consistent.

Speedies_Chips · Apr 19, 2016

covcity4life said:
the guy who scored a worldy on sat

hardly a worldy. yes, he hit it nicely, but there wasn't a Millwall player within 10 yards of him which considering the position he was in is poor.

covcity4life · Apr 19, 2016

Speedies_Chips said:
hardly a worldy. yes, he hit it nicely, but there wasn't a Millwall player within 10 yards of him which considering the position he was in is poor.

lol come on man. any goal from that range is a bloody good 1

lifeskyblue · Apr 19, 2016

covcity4life said:
lol come on man. any goal from that range is a bloody good 1

If it had been in the premier league we would have been shown repeat after repeat. Excellent shot

shy_tall_knight · Apr 19, 2016

In my earlier posts pre-Millwall stated that I was happy to see Fleck leave, even after that shot still think we would be better without him (assume he's on a relatively big wedge). Throughout his 4 seasons only averaged 2 goals a season, how can somebody which such a good shot fail to score more often ? Do management insist that he plays that deep as his passing is OK but his defensive work is poor, he is wasted that far deep. In my opinion he doesn't venture too forward as he struggles to get back. Maybe he should be in the 3 rather than the 2 of a 4231.

Terry Gibson's perm · Apr 19, 2016

shy_tall_knight said:
In my earlier posts pre-Millwall stated that I was happy to see Fleck leave, even after that shot still think we would be better without him (assume he's on a relatively big wedge). Throughout his 4 seasons only averaged 2 goals a season, how can somebody which such a good shot fail to score more often ? Do management insist that he plays that deep as his passing is OK but his defensive work is poor, he is wasted that far deep. In my opinion he doesn't venture too forward as he struggles to get back. Maybe he should be in the 3 rather than the 2 of a 4231.

Most of the time he makes the 4 into a 5

Speedies_Chips · Apr 19, 2016

covcity4life said:
lol come on man. any goal from that range is a bloody good 1

I agree it was bloody good but not a worldy

superskyblue · Apr 19, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
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Disagree mate. That's like saying CCFC are reliant on the other teams in the league being s**t rather than CCFC beat them fairly and squarely! Fleck has some tremendous footballing ability, but doesn't show the full potential anywhere near as often as he should. Matt Le Tissier was a giant at Southampton, and I often wondered if the players around him were on the same level as he was ability wise. Undaunted, he played his own game, and ultimately he scored a hatfull of goals for them. This isn't down to how good or bad the players around him were. It boiled down to him being consistent.

I take your point RE. Le Tissier and agree with the bit in bold, but in a way we're kind of agreeing with eachother. Fleck is inconsistent, I don't disagree with that. My point is that I reckon a lot of the reason for his inconsistency is the fact that he plays in a team who have been incredibly inconsistent this season. I'd have been interested to see how he would've got on if we'd continued on our pre-Christmas form. Or, interested to see how he does at Rangers who will presumably be near the top of SPL.

honestken · Apr 19, 2016

drove past Flecks house today and it is up for sale...

Nick · Apr 19, 2016

honestken said:
drove past Flecks house today and it is up for sale...

Where does he live?

honestken · Apr 19, 2016

Nick said:
Where does he live?

he lives in Coventry

AFCCOVENTRY · Apr 19, 2016

honestken said:
he lives in Coventry

No footballer would live in Coventry...

shy_tall_knight · Apr 19, 2016

Greg Downes used to live in Meriden, that's pretty close.

Sky Blue Kid · Apr 19, 2016

George Curtis lived in Allesley park.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Apr 19, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
George Curtis lived in Allesley park.

Ron Farmer lives in Tile. Hill.

shy_tall_knight · Apr 19, 2016

"No footballer would live in Coventry.."

I countered that with "Greg Downes used to live in Meriden, that's pretty close." but thats a poor response in hindsight, Greggy wasn't a footballer and for the record definitely not a fans favourite as the media used to portray him.

Sky Blue Kid · Apr 19, 2016

JH lived in Cannon Hill IIRC.

Seamus1 · Apr 19, 2016

I think Steve Ogrizovic lived in Finham

Terry Gibson's perm · Apr 19, 2016

Plenty of nice areas for footballers to live in Coventry

honestken · Apr 22, 2016

Drove past Flecks house again today, now has a sold sign outside.

mrtrench · Apr 22, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
JH lived in Cannon Hill IIRC.

He did, close to Terry Yorath. Both were on my paper round.

Captain Dart · Apr 22, 2016

honestken said:
Drove past Flecks house again today, now has a sold sign outside.

Bye bye then..

stupot07 · Apr 22, 2016

Where in cov does he live? I want to be nosey on right move, gunnarson had a right tacky sofa in his house

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skybluegod · Apr 22, 2016

I seriously doubt he would have sold his house before being able to legally sign a contract? Anything could happen between now and the end of his contract: injury, change of heart, club facing financial trouble etc. would be stupid, to have already sold your house before the move is even confirmed?

lifelongcityfan · Apr 22, 2016

skybluegod said:
I seriously doubt he would have sold his house before being able to legally sign a contract? Anything could happen between now and the end of his contract: injury, change of heart, club facing financial trouble etc. would be stupid, to have already sold your house before the move is even confirmed?

hi not really..if he knows he is leaving makes sense to sell now. He will then be a cash buyer wherever he moves too. I am sure the club he is going too will happily put him into a hotel for a few weeks.

Grendel · Apr 22, 2016

lifelongcityfan said:
hi not really..if he knows he is leaving makes sense to sell now. He will then be a cash buyer wherever he moves too. I am sure the club he is going too will happily put him into a hotel for a few weeks.

So he's moving somewhere that's got a lower house value than where he lives now then?

skybluegod · Apr 22, 2016

lifelongcityfan said:
hi not really..if he knows he is leaving makes sense to sell now. He will then be a cash buyer wherever he moves too. I am sure the club he is going too will happily put him into a hotel for a few weeks.

thats not what I'm saying. I'm saying why would he sell his house before the deal is signed? Anything could happen between now and then including the club pulling out.

lifelongcityfan · Apr 22, 2016

Grendel said:
So he's moving somewhere that's got a lower house value than where he lives now then?

acting the tosser as usual! it usually takes 8 - 9 weeks to complete a sale- which takes him to June . Players Contracts end when? - June! so he will be a cash buyer at the time he moves, by my reckoning that will enable him to drive the price down ( even if there had been inflation in 8 weeks) and put him above buyers with a chain.

not such a know all after all are you...or do you live in a tent!!

steve82 · Apr 22, 2016

honestken said:
drove past Flecks house today and it is up for sale...

honestken said:
Drove past Flecks house again today, now has a sold sign outside.

If you drive past his house so often you'll no what car he drives I assume?

ccfcway · Apr 22, 2016

lifelongcityfan said:
acting the tosser as usual! it usually takes 8 - 9 weeks to complete a sale- which takes him to June . Players Contracts end when? - June! so he will be a cash buyer at the time he moves, by my reckoning that will enable him to drive the price down ( even if there had been inflation in 8 weeks) and put him above buyers with a chain.

not such a know all after all are you...or do you live in a tent!!

I think I saw him on the ad for next series of location location location

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