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SBT

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  • Feb 12, 2021
  • #106
Grendel said:
Its hogwash everyone is out flr themselves. What if it was decided we could keep Jones but had to let Max go. What then?
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better days

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  • Feb 12, 2021
  • #107
Grendel said:
I wouldn’t fly in a plane it it had a 5% chance of falling out the sky
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Yeah but you'd play a game of football if you were told before ko that there was a 5% chance of getting an injury that needed an operation which is a more suitable analogy
 
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  • Feb 12, 2021
  • #108
better days said:
Yeah but you'd play a game of football if you were told before ko that there was a 5% chance of getting an injury that needed an operation which is a more suitable analogy
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I don't think many people would if there was a 5% of such an injury in one match. You would if there was a 5% chance of it happening at some stage.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 12, 2021
  • #109
better days said:
Yeah but you'd play a game of football if you were told before ko that there was a 5% chance of getting an injury that needed an operation which is a more suitable analogy
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It’s a one in 20 chance
 

capel & collindridge

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  • Feb 12, 2021
  • #110
Grendel said:
And if he scored 2 hare tricks in his first 4 games and Man Utd contact his agent?
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I'd let the agent go.
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 12, 2021
  • #111
better days said:
Yeah but you'd play a game of football if you were told before ko that there was a 5% chance of getting an injury that needed an operation which is a more suitable analogy
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So in other words/statistically speaking, you’d be lucky to make it through half a season without tearing it again.
 

cc84cov

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  • Feb 12, 2021
  • #112
Grendel said:
And if he scored 2 hare tricks in his first 4 games and Man Utd contact his agent?
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2021
  • #113
Grendel said:
And if he scored 2 hare tricks in his first 4 games and Man Utd contact his agent?
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Do Man U need a magician for the kids end of season party?

Doesn't matter anyway - we'd pull a rabbit out of the hat and beat their offer.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 12, 2021
  • #114
Speedies_Chips said:
People keep going on about pay as you play. Can anyone name any player on such a deal?
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Andy impey was on one here by all accounts and was a nice little earner. Regular 2 min sub appearances got him a £2k appearance fee if rumours are to be believed
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 12, 2021
  • #115
SBT said:
So in other words/statistically speaking, you’d be lucky to make it through half a season without tearing it again.
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No. It’s 5% over a year, not per game, normal risk is 3%. Probably higher in elite sports. Robins said 5% was normal, which tallies up.

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Edit: wait I’ve read that wrong. Too late. That’s 0.3% for people playing the sport each year. Maybe multiple by ten for the rest of his career or maybe elite sport is ten times more dangerous? Not sure. It’s too late at night for this shit.
 
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Great_Expectations

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #116
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Similarly clubs don't have obligations to players. Just because he's been injured for three years and unable to prove his worth doesn't mean the club are duty bound to offer him a new deal just so he can have that opportunity.

On a personal note I would like to see what he can do but I think his lengthy absence has lead to another case of a player getting better in the eyes of fans the longer he doesn't play. I would offer him a pay-as-you-play deal for the year with the promise of upgrading it to a proper contract if he makes a certain number of appearances.
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I am not suggesting we do, but based on the fact we’ve supported him through rehab and surgeries with the best specialists available, would suggest MR believes he can offer something.

Plus, as per my post, it’s low risk, potentially high reward. He’s already on the books and in the budget, likely on a low wage compared to others, and is unlikely to find a better wage elsewhere due to his injuries, so we give him a season to prove his fitness and his ability. If it goes well he gets a better deal and we have a rejuvenated exciting attacking threat (and saleable asset if needed) and if not we let him go.

Plus Better Days said he’s getting extended so that’s that.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #117
shmmeee said:
No. It’s 5% over a year, not per game, normal risk is 3%. Probably higher in elite sports. Robins said 5% was normal, which tallies up.
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Are you suggesting the club, who have invested a decent amount in his recovery, along with the medical staff and Robins know more than a bunch of medical experts on a forum?
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #118
chiefdave said:
Are you suggesting the club, who have invested a decent amount in his recovery, along with the medical staff and Robins know more than a bunch of medical experts on a forum?
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Unlikely I know.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #119
Great_Expectations said:
I am not suggesting we do, but based on the fact we’ve supported him through rehab and surgeries with the best specialists available, would suggest MR believes he can offer something.

Plus, as per my post, it’s low risk, potentially high reward. He’s already on the books and in the budget, likely on a low wage compared to others, and is unlikely to find a better wage elsewhere due to his injuries, so we give him a season to prove his fitness and his ability. If it goes well he gets a better deal and we have a rejuvenated exciting attacking threat (and saleable asset if needed) and if not we let him go.

Plus Better Days said he’s getting extended so that’s that.
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Which was exactly the argument used when offering him a new deal last year. Then he did his ACL again, hasn't played a single game and we're having exactly the same reasoning given again.

if if goes again I bet there would be people saying exactly the same thing again next year too - offer him a new deal and see if he can come back. How many times do we carry on doing this?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #120
chiefdave said:
Are you suggesting the club, who have invested a decent amount in his recovery, along with the medical staff and Robins know more than a bunch of medical experts on a forum?
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They also said last year the chance of injuring the knee again was minimal when it was healed, hence one of the reasons we offered him a new deal.
 

the rumpo kid

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #121
Grendel said:
And if he scored 2 hare tricks in his first 4 games and Man Utd contact his agent?
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Two hare tricks
 

stupot07

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #122
Robins is right, he is still young enough and talented enough to take another gamble on him and offering him another contract.

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shmmeee

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #123
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
They also said last year the chance of injuring the knee again was minimal when it was healed, hence one of the reasons we offered him a new deal.
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Minimal risks still happen. The kid has been incredibly unlucky.
 

Frostie

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #124
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
They also said last year the chance of injuring the knee again was minimal when it was healed, hence one of the reasons we offered him a new deal.
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He didn't injure it again, it was the other knee. That's just exceptionally unlucky.
 

Marty

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #125
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Which was exactly the argument used when offering him a new deal last year. Then he did his ACL again, hasn't played a single game and we're having exactly the same reasoning given again.

if if goes again I bet there would be people saying exactly the same thing again next year too - offer him a new deal and see if he can come back. How many times do we carry on doing this?
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but but but.... he had about 10 good games in League 2, 4 years ago.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #126
Marty said:
but but but.... he had about 10 good games in League 2, 4 years ago.
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It isn't about the good games, it's about the undoubted talent that he has, speed, balance, technique, touch all worth a punt on.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #127
He looked very good in pre season and I think he'd have been very useful in one of the two AM slots this season, certainly better than Shipley and Allen.

Might as well offer him a new deal for what will I'm sure be very low wages and/or highly incentivised.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #128
PVA said:
He looked very good in pre season and I think he'd have been very useful in one of the two AM slots this season, certainly better than Shipley and Allen.

Might as well offer him a new deal for what will I'm sure be very low wages and/or highly incentivised.
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How can he be better than a player whose played in the championship based on a couple of pre season games?
 

Marty

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #129
fernandopartridge said:
It isn't about the good games, it's about the undoubted talent that he has, speed, balance, technique, touch all worth a punt on.
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Hes one of those players that have gotten better the less hes played.
 

Marty

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #130
Grendel said:
How can he be better than a player whose played in the championship based on a couple of pre season games?
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Not exactly hard to be better then Shipley, a blow up doll caught in the wind is more useful then that clown.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #131
Marty said:
Not exactly hard to be better then Shipley, a blow up doll caught in the wind is more useful then that clown.
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Well not really as Shipley has played successfully in league one but I was talking about Jamie Allen and his career at Burton and fact that he’d have been signed as a marquis signing in league 1 and certainly will earn far more than Jones
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #132
Marty said:
Hes one of those players that have gotten better the less hes played.
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He really hasn't, he was our best player in the early part of that league 2 season. Remembering that he was only 19
 

Marty

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #133
fernandopartridge said:
He really hasn't, he was our best player in the early part of that league 2 season. Remembering that he was only 19
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You say that, but the team only started to flourish once he got injured. Ryan Kent who looked far better in the division above, failed in the Championship and now plays in a pub league.

Genuine question, if he were to break down again and is out for the season, do we offer him yet another contract?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #134
fernandopartridge said:
He really hasn't, he was our best player in the early part of that league 2 season. Remembering that he was only 19
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He was but to be honest we actually didn’t really kick on with mcnulty until he got injured
 

stupot07

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #135
fernandopartridge said:
He really hasn't, he was our best player in the early part of that league 2 season. Remembering that he was only 19
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Agreed. He was arguable the best player in the league 2 before his injury, which is why Championship Leeds were on the verge of signing him.

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hill83

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #136
Grendel said:
I wouldn’t fly in a plane it it had a 5% chance of falling out the sky
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Just jump as it’s hitting the ground.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #137
Frostie said:
He didn't injure it again, it was the other knee. That's just exceptionally unlucky.
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The other knee which he injured the year before.

Admittedly we've apparently gone for a better surgeon and method of repair (no idea if that's true) so hopefully it will be more robust than the previous one but the fact is he's done his knee three times in three years.

If we were looking to sign him from elsewhere given his pedigree and history people would be saying it's a very strange decision.
 

Marty

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #138
stupot07 said:
Agreed. He was arguable the best player in the league 2 before his injury, which is why Championship Leeds were on the verge of signing him.

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Wolves signed Ben Stevenson.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #139
stupot07 said:
Agreed. He was arguable the best player in the league 2 before his injury, which is why Championship Leeds were on the verge of signing him.

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Leicester signed George Thomas and Wolves signed Ben Stevenson...
 

Frostie

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #140
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
The other knee which he injured the year before.
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No, first 2 were same (left) knee, latest one was the right knee.
 
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