Israel - Palestinian Conflict (8 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

The purpose of protest is to bring an injustice to public attention. Bit of a non comparable to smoking weed as it's something you'd be trying to conceal.

This government are clearly discomforted by people highlighting a genocide they are complicit in facilitating, hence the fascistic measures taken in outlawing a non violent group.

You can parrot 'breaking the law' as much as you like but you're missing the point and I think you know you are.

Well quite. The point of DA protest is to get arrested for publicity.

PA whether you like it or not clearly meet the bar for proscription. They caused millions of pounds of property damage. Should that could as terrorism? Honestly it doesn’t feel right to me. But break into military areas and expect the government not to be happy. This isn’t fucking rocket science.

People say peaceful protest like they were handing out leaflets in the town square but they’ve been charged with assault by beating, smashed windows of places where people were working and thrown pyros at evacuating staff.

 

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[rondog1973]

Can't believe we've got to a point where people are saying you should get let off the law just because you're a middle aged OAP or because you don't agree with the law

I'm sure if I go out this afternoon and get pulled for speeding I'll just tell the copper 'I don't agree with this law, go and catch a real criminal instead' he'll just doff his cap and say on your way sir.

What's a 'middle aged OAP'?

 

[PVA]

What's a 'middle aged OAP'?

Oops, meant middle class!

 

[shmmeee]

On “we sell arms that enable this genocide”

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9964/#:~:text=Licensing%20UK%20arms%20exports%20and%20their%20value%20to%20Israel&text=Arms%20export%20licences%20are%20regularly,the%20conflict%20since%20July%202024

You might argue this doesn’t go far enough or that you disagree with the governments assessment. But this idea that the UK govt is happily backing everything and selling arms that are killing Gazans is just not based in fact.

 

[SBT]

I'm sure if it was a Britain First sign you would all change your views sharpish because there's no Palestine flag.

The sheer levels of restraint here to not mention Dear Tommy!

Apropos of nothing, how should the government respond if a supporter of this group were to murder a member of parliament while shouting “Palestine Action”?

 

[Nick]

The sheer levels of restraint here to not mention Dear Tommy!

Apropos of nothing, how should the government respond if a supporter of this group were to murder a member of parliament while shouting “Palestine Action”?

Hardly dear, have a look through the thread about him and see who's slating him.

It just shows how fucking hypocritical and weird some of you are. All it takes is to change who's saying or doing the same thing and watch the U turn.

Literally people defending a terror group and their supporters. It's strange.

Whack a Palestine flag on something and half of you are weak at the knees because it's the latest trend. Ukraine flag must be in the wash.

 

[rondog1973]

Well quite. The point of DA protest is to get arrested for publicity.

PA whether you like it or not clearly meet the bar for proscription. They caused millions of pounds of property damage. Should that could as terrorism? Honestly it doesn’t feel right to me. But break into military areas and expect the government not to be happy. This isn’t fucking rocket science.

People say peaceful protest like they were handing out leaflets in the town square but they’ve been charged with assault by beating, smashed windows of places where people were working and thrown pyros at evacuating staff.

You first paragraph moves the goalposts somewhat. The groups intention was/is to highlight/disrupt UK complicity in a genocidal outrage via non violent means. The fact that this can now be dealt with under anti terrorist legislation is the real outrage.

By pyros do you mean smoke or petrol Bombs? Were the assault by beating charges resisting arrest or via confrontation with far right/Zionist opposition?

 

[SBT]

Literally people defending a terror group and their supporters.

What reason is there for you to lump this group in the same basket as ISIS, other than the fact that the government has told you to do so? Or do you genuinely believe they should be treated the same?

 

[Sick Boy]

Is there? Because there’s an awful lot of outrage about what’s happening in Gaza. What there isn’t is much actionable things anyone can do. This is all getting very much like a mirror of the “if you don’t hate immigrants you love pedos” stuff.

They could start by not selling bombs to them for starters.

 

[Nick]

What reason is there for you to lump this group in the same basket as ISIS, other than the fact that the government has told you to do so? Or do you genuinely believe they should be treated the same?

The fact it's a terror group. I'm sure people who support ISIS don't think they are doing anything wrong either.

It's really simple.

 

[SBT]

The fact it's a terror group. I'm sure people who support ISIS don't think they are doing anything wrong either.

It's really simple.

This is a pretty stunning level of obedience for someone who I thought liked to question the way the law was applied. Whatever happened to two-tier Kier?

 

[Nick]

This is a pretty stunning level of obedience for someone who I thought liked to question the way the law was applied. Whatever happened to two-tier Kier?

It's not obedience though is it? People are struggling with the fact people are being arrested for supporting a terror group

Here's a trick, don't support a terror group and you won't be arrested for it.

 

[SBT]

It's not obedience though is it? People are struggling with the fact people are being arrested for supporting a terror group

Here's a trick, don't support a terror group and you won't be arrested for it.

Well to use your favourite rhetorical device, when a woman was sent to prison for racist hate crimes you were up in arms about it for months (still are, probably). But all of a sudden it’s now “really simple” and if the government says so, that’s how it goes right?

 

[Nick]

Well to use your favourite rhetorical device, when a woman was sent to prison for racist hate crimes you were up in arms about it for months (still are, probably). But all of a sudden it’s now “really simple” and if the government says so, that’s how it goes right?

If you go back, I said she was wrong and right to be punished. My question was the sentence compared to others.

I'm still not defending terror groups or their supporters like some people on here.

 

[SBT]

If you go back, I said she was wrong and right to be punished. My question was the sentence compared to others.

I'm still not defending terror groups or their supporters like some people on here.

So we’re not allowed to ever ask similar questions if a government decides something’s a terror group? Strikes me as a very obedient way to live. How come all your legal curiosity has just melted away here?

 

[Grendel]

Arresting middle class OAPs for holding signs is a massive waste of police time and resources. They’d be better off going after actual criminals.

They do

PC Tasered St Leonards amputee, 92, in wheelchair, court hears - BBC News

Donald Burgess, who had one leg and was in poor health, was also pepper sprayed in his care home.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Nick]

So we’re not allowed to ever ask similar questions if a government decides something’s a terror group? Strikes me as a very obedient way to live. How come all your legal curiosity has just melted away here?

It's not curiosity. It's just the basic common sense that if you don't want to be arrested for supporting a terror group, don't support a terror group.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hardly dear, have a look through the thread about him and see who's slating him.

It just shows how fucking hypocritical and weird some of you are. All it takes is to change who's saying or doing the same thing and watch the U turn.

Literally people defending a terror group and their supporters. It's strange.

Whack a Palestine flag on something and half of you are weak at the knees because it's the latest trend. Ukraine flag must be in the wash.

Ah yes. Only weirdos have problems with ethnic cleansing and Russia’s invasion

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Ah yes. Only weirdos have problems with ethnic cleansing and Russia’s invasion

Nick has become TommyPilled

 

[Grendel]

This is a pretty stunning level of obedience for someone who I thought liked to question the way the law was applied. Whatever happened to two-tier Kier?

I’m sure people can legally protest in favour of Palestine liberation without tagging themselves to a group now declared a Terror Group.

 

[SBT]

It's not curiosity. It's just the basic common sense that if you don't want to be arrested for supporting a terror group, don't support a terror group.

And so there’s no mechanism by which anyone can disagree with the government on who counts as a terror group?

 

[Nick]

Ah yes. Only weirdos have problems with ethnic cleansing and Russia’s invasion

Only weirdos make it their whole personality and change it whenever the trend changes.

I hope you can leave the house today without worrying about Myanmar.

 

[SBT]

I’m sure people can legally protest in favour of Palestine liberation without tagging themselves to a group now declared a Terror Group.

I thought there were widespread calls to shut down pro-Palestine demonstrations on the grounds that there were terrorist elements to the marches, weren’t there?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Only weirdos make it their whole personality and change it whenever the trend changes.

I hope you can leave the house today without worrying about Myanmar.

I mean I’m in Dublin all of next week, should be able to source some Palestine flags.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Arresting middle class OAPs for holding signs is a massive waste of police time and resources. They’d be better off going after actual criminals.

Well they need to be sensible about it, the daft old buggers. Organise a lawful protest and carry flags/posters that say "Free Palastine" rather than "Palastine Action".

 

[mmttww]

People desperate to defend a terror group

oh FFS get a grip. If you can't wrap your head around the difference between direct action as a form of protest and an act of terrorism you shouldn't be trusted with a computer keyboard. Having this group listed as terrorists is pandering to lobbying groups and the Israeli government. Plain and simple.

 

[mmttww]

I'm sure people who support ISIS don't think they are doing anything wrong either.

Not all that long ago it used to be legal to rape a woman if she was your wife. Reading this "but it's the law" sh*t from people on here is nauseating, and comparing Palestine Action to Isis is beyond grim.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not all that long ago it used to be legal to rape a woman if she was your wife. Reading this "but it's the law" sh*t from people on here is nauseating, and comparing Palestine Action to Isis is beyond f*cking grim.

It was once and not that long ago illegal to be gay. Ah well, it was the law

 

[Nick]

Not all that long ago it used to be legal to rape a woman if she was your wife. Reading this "but it's the law" sh*t from people on here is nauseating, and comparing Palestine Action to Isis is beyond grim.

Are you actually being sick or just being dramatic?

It's weird watching white middle aged men who spend their time in a politics thread whining that life isn't fair now scraping about to defend a terror group.

Maybe we should all spend more time worrying about ourselves a bit?

 

[Nick]

It was once and not that long ago illegal to be gay. Ah well, it was the law

Are you really that thick? Hear every other week about your degrees but you struggle with the basics of actual life.

If there's a group defined as a terror group and people go out and support them. It can't be a surprise when they get in trouble.

Just because it makes you cry or they are wearing the same political flag as you, it doesn't change it.

I'm sure there are plenty of laws people don't agree with.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Are you actually being sick or just being dramatic?

It's weird watching white middle aged men who spend their time in a politics thread whining that life isn't fair now scraping about to defend a terror group.

Maybe we should all spend more time worrying about ourselves a bit?

It’s possible to care about multiple things at once.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Are you really that thick? Hear every other week about your degrees but you struggle with the basics of actual life.

If there's a group defined as a terror group and people go out and support them. It can't be a surprise when they get in trouble.

Just because it makes you cry or they are wearing the same political flag as you, it doesn't change it.

I'm sure there are plenty of laws people don't agree with.

Well, you heard once about my degrees. Get a grip FFS

 

[Nick]

Well, you heard once about my degrees. Get a grip FFS

Ironic.

 

[Grendel]

It was once and not that long ago illegal to be gay. Ah well, it was the law

Oh dear it’s act like a toddler time

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Oh dear it’s act like a toddler time

This coming from someone who cried like a baby over a thread title he thought was similar to his