Israel - Palestinian Conflict (7 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

Christians in the UK (in General) are nowhere near as strict in their conformance (if thats the right word) as middle Eastern Muslims. (In my brief experience)

Just as a simple example, the wearing of beards (usually just the men) and the hajib, strict religious education, the call to prayer, the observance of religious ceremonies, the non tolerance to LGBTQ+, the supression of womens rights the lack of tolerance to non muslims etc etc
The list could go on and on.

Personally I don't think there's any comparison.

Jordan has accepted 2m+ Palestinian refugees

 

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[fatso]

Jordan has accepted 2m+ Palestinian refugees

Good for Jordan, that's great, but theres also Egypt and Syria etc, there's enough land to take all those Palestinian families that are in danger. (If they chose to leave, if they don't the future is bleak unfortunately)

 

[fernandopartridge]

Good for Jordan, that's great, but theres also Egypt and Syria etc, there's enough land to take all those Palestinian families that are in danger. (If they chose to leave, if they don't the future is bleak unfortunately)

But I thought you said that none of the surrounding countries wanted to take refugees

 

[Evo1883]

Good for Jordan, that's great, but theres also Egypt and Syria etc, there's enough land to take all those Palestinian families that are in danger. (If they chose to leave, if they don't the future is bleak unfortunately)

Its not really any different to how they Germans treated the Jews ironically

 

[fatso]

Its not really any different to how they Germans treated the Jews ironically

Well for starters, the Jews did nothing to upset Hitler, (afaik) where as the October 7th massacres and taking AND still keeping of hostages was obviously seen as an ongoing act of terror/war.
Israel has declared its intention to destroy Hamas, and (imo) sees anyone still in the area as a Hamas member/terrorist, and hence the ongoing killing.
Which is why I said the innocent need to get out anyway they can as no one appears to be coming to their aid.

(At this point I want to make it 100% clear that in no way am I saying or implying that Oct 7th justified the response. I feel I need to clarify that as one or two on here clearly struggle to grasp certain points. You know who you are)

I'm purely suggesting a way to stop the continued slaughter.

After WW2 The surviving Jews demanded their homeland back (which we were pivotal in securing for them) they also swore never to be victims of terror ever again, and they've generally been peacefull until poked with a stick by Arab nations, when they respond with great force. As in the 6 day war of 1967 when Israel was attacked by Egypt Syria and Jordan.

 

[Evo1883]

Well for starters, the Jews did nothing to upset Hitler, (afaik) where as the October 7th massacres and taking AND still keeping of hostages was obviously seen as an ongoing act of terror/war.
Israel has declared its intention to destroy Hamas, and (imo) sees anyone still in the area as a Hamas member/terrorist, and hence the ongoing killing.
Which is why I said the innocent need to get out anyway they can as no one appears to be coming to their aid.

(At this point I want to make it 100% clear that in no way am I saying or implying that Oct 7th justified the response. I feel I need to clarify that as one or two on here clearly struggle to grasp certain points. You know who you are)

I'm purely suggesting a way to stop the continued slaughter.

After WW2 The surviving Jews demanded their homeland back (which we were pivotal in securing for them) they also swore never to be victims of terror ever again, and they've generally been peacefull until poked with a stick by Arab nations, when they respond with great force. As in the 6 day war of 1967 when Israel was attacked by Egypt Syria and Jordan.

Was happening long before October 7th

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

There's certainly no defending what has gone on, but you also can't take religion out of the equation either.
The Muslims and the Jews are sworn enemies, which makes the whole idea of a 2 party state totally unworkable.

And how does having all Palestinian lands becoming Israel solve that? It would still be surrounded by Arab and Muslim countries.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well for starters, the Jews did nothing to upset Hitler, (afaik) where as the October 7th massacres and taking AND still keeping of hostages was obviously seen as an ongoing act of terror/war.
Israel has declared its intention to destroy Hamas, and (imo) sees anyone still in the area as a Hamas member/terrorist, and hence the ongoing killing.
Which is why I said the innocent need to get out anyway they can as no one appears to be coming to their aid.

(At this point I want to make it 100% clear that in no way am I saying or implying that Oct 7th justified the response. I feel I need to clarify that as one or two on here clearly struggle to grasp certain points. You know who you are)

I'm purely suggesting a way to stop the continued slaughter.

After WW2 The surviving Jews demanded their homeland back (which we were pivotal in securing for them) they also swore never to be victims of terror ever again, and they've generally been peacefull until poked with a stick by Arab nations, when they respond with great force. As in the 6 day war of 1967 when Israel was attacked by Egypt Syria and Jordan.

Honestly you write this stuff and then wonder why people think you condone what’s going on.

 

[fatso]

Was happening long before October 7th

It was, there's not been peace in the region for 5 thousand years, the old Testament is full of references to it, the Exodus was about freeing the Jews from oppression and returning them to their home land 3000 years BC.

 

[fatso]

Honestly you write this stuff and then wonder why people think you condone what’s going on.

Ffs I even put a clear statement making it abundantly clear that I don't condone what's gone on.

What the fuck more do I have to do ???

 

[fatso]

And how does having all Palestinian lands becoming Israel solve that? It would still be surrounded by Arab and Muslim countries.

They would, but I guess they'd feel less pressure than living amongst them?
The land currently occupied by the Palestinians was always referred to as the disputed land by Jews, as they consider it part of their homeland.
But that's a question for Israel's politicians to answer.

What happens after Israel finally and inevitably takes back the land is anyone's guess.

 

[Nick]

Jordan has accepted 2m+ Palestinian refugees

All while Harvey is in the next room as well

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ffs I even put a clear statement making it abundantly clear that I don't condone what's gone on.

What the fuck more do I have to do ???

Focus on the fact that Israel has killed tens of thousands of people and violated international law in the West Bank where Hamas have no jurisdiction

 

[fatso]

Focus on the fact that Israel has killed tens of thousands of people and violated international law in the West Bank where Hamas have no jurisdiction

I genuinely don't think it matters what I put, for some unknown reason you will chose to interpret it completely differently.

Even when I take the piss out of you by writing in the simplest English that I in no way condone Israel's action, you still don't get it!!! It's unbelievable.
Your honestly the only person on this forum who doesn't get the point.

Your perfectly entitled to disagree of course, , but don't take my words and totally misinterpret them.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They would, but I guess they'd feel less pressure than living amongst them?
The land currently occupied by the Palestinians was always referred to as the disputed land by Jews, as they consider it part of their homeland.
But that's a question for Israel's politicians to answer.

What happens after Israel finally and inevitably takes back the land is anyone's guess.

That entire answer is clearly written from an Israeli viewpoint. 'Take back' the land...

That same land is considered part of their homeland by the Palestinians. And international law. So it's not a question for Israel's politicians to answer (unless it's to an international court).

 

[fatso]

That entire answer is clearly written from an Israeli viewpoint. 'Take back' the land...

That same land is considered part of their homeland by the Palestinians. And international law. So it's not a question for Israel's politicians to answer (unless it's to an international court).

Your correct, I was deliberately writing it from an Israeli point of view in response to the question raised by Sky_Blue_Dreamer about how Israel taking all the Palestinian lands solves their problem.

It would be difficult to answer that question from anything other than an Israeli point of view.

If you want me to answer a question from a Palastinian point of view ask me one and I'll give it my best shot.

 

[mmttww]

If you want me to answer a question...

Do you think the same thing you're suggesting in Gaza (or all of Palestine) should happen in Ukraine?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I genuinely don't think it matters what I put, for some unknown reason you will chose to interpret it completely differently.

Even when I take the piss out of you by writing in the simplest English that I in no way condone Israel's action, you still don't get it!!! It's unbelievable.
Your honestly the only person on this forum who doesn't get the point.

Your perfectly entitled to disagree of course, , but don't take my words and totally misinterpret them.

If you want to play intellectual or academic Top Trumps, we can, it won’t end very well though. The belief that the moon landings were staged is an interesting opening gambit on that front I’ll give you.

 

[fatso]

Do you think the same thing you're suggesting in Gaza (or all of Palestine) should happen in Ukraine?

No, The biggest difference I see is that Ukraine is getting enough military aid from the west to stay in the fight, although to what end I have no idea, no one seems interested in arming or supporting the Palestinians.

 

[fatso]

If you want to play intellectual or academic Top Trumps, we can, it won’t end very well though. The belief that the moon landings were staged is an interesting opening gambit on that front I’ll give you.

Yea ok mate, you can't even read and understand a simple paragraph.
Even when it's explained to you.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yea ok mate, you can't even read and understand a simple paragraph.
Even when it's explained to you.

Nonsence (sic).

 

[mmttww]

arming or supporting the Palestinians.

because there isn't an army to support or arm.

 

[rondog1973]

It was, there's not been peace in the region for 5 thousand years, the old Testament is full of references to it, the Exodus was about freeing the Jews from oppression and returning them to their home land 3000 years BC.

Islam wasn't around in old testament times. The religious fundamentalism in this conflict comes from the Ultra-Zionists.

 

[fatso]

Islam wasn't around in old testament times. The religious fundamentalism in this conflict comes from the Ultra-Zionists.

Ot was Egypt in the old testament, worshipers of many gods.

 

[Ian1779]

They would, but I guess they'd feel less pressure than living amongst them?
The land currently occupied by the Palestinians was always referred to as the disputed land by Jews, as they consider it part of their homeland.
But that's a question for Israel's politicians to answer.

What happens after Israel finally and inevitably takes back the land is anyone's guess.

There is far too much conflation generally between Judaism (as a religion) and Israel (a country)
No religion has a land of their own, nor should they.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There is far too much conflation generally between Judaism (as a religion) and Israel (a country)
No religion has a land of their own, nor should they.

That conflation tends to be used against critics of the Israeli regime’s crimes.

 

[SBT]

No, The biggest difference I see is that Ukraine is getting enough military aid from the west to stay in the fight, although to what end I have no idea, no one seems interested in arming or supporting the Palestinians.

Would you support the British government if it began a huge military aid project to help the Palestinians defend themselves against the Israelis?

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

The idea that Palestinians could flee Gaza, not that they should, is undermined by the great big fuck off wall around it and military checkpoints to get in and out. It has descended into a quasi prison for the people. Like suggesting my daughter’s rabbits should flee their locked hutch.