Israel - Palestinian Conflict (8 Viewers)

[rondog1973]

Tbf the majority of Palestinian people arnt fighting, it's a small majority (Hamas) that are he'll bent on the destruction of Israel.

I'd imagine your average Palestinian mother father and family arnt up to fighting the IDF, so unless a peace deal can be found (and let's be honest, it wont) it appears that re-location is now the only realistic option if they wish to live in peace.

People might argue "it's their land why should they be driven out etc, but im afraid, realistically, there's no one coming to their aid, so there's little option other than to stay and be slaughtered.

Plenty of global leaders are condemning the killings on both sides, but the words arnt followed up by action.

So basically, you're condoning ethnic cleansing as a means of expelling a native populace?

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Tbf the majority of Palestinian people arnt fighting, it's a small majority (Hamas) that are he'll bent on the destruction of Israel.

I'd imagine your average Palestinian mother father and family arnt up to fighting the IDF, so unless a peace deal can be found (and let's be honest, it wont) it appears that re-location is now the only realistic option if they wish to live in peace.

People might argue "it's their land why should they be driven out etc, but im afraid, realistically, there's no one coming to their aid, so there's little option other than to stay and be slaughtered.

Plenty of global leaders are condemning the killings on both sides, but the words arnt followed up by action.

You are describing ethnic cleansing in pretty sanitary language. It astonishes me that you have no issue with Israeli war crimes and think the Palestinians should just leave or be killed.

Pretty despicable take tbh

 

[fatso]

You are describing ethnic cleansing in pretty sanitary language. It astonishes me that you have no issue with Israeli war crimes and think the Palestinians should just leave or be killed.

Pretty despicable take tbh

What the absolute fuck are you banging on about????
Show me anywhere above where I've said either sides actions are acceptable, or the situation is acceptable???

What I've suggested is an end to the killing which will inevitably continue otherwise.

What suggestions have you got???
You're biting like a Karen on her period, so wind your neck in you tit.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What the absolute fuck are you banging on about????
Show me anywhere above where I've said either sides actions are acceptable, or the situation is acceptable???

What I've suggested is an end to the killing which will inevitably continue otherwise.

What suggestions have you got???
You're biting like a Karen on her period, so wind your neck in you tit.

You’ve said above they should leave or be killed, it’s almost a textbook definition of ethnic cleansing.

Should the Jews of Europe have accepted forced mass migration elsewhere because the alternative was death?

 

[fatso]

You’ve said above they should leave or be killed, it’s almost a textbook definition of ethnic cleansing.

Should the Jews of Europe have accepted forced mass migration elsewhere because the alternative was death?

Again, what the absolute fuck are you on about?

Are you seriously one of those dumb fucks who reads something and interprets it completely differently to what's written?

I seriously have no clue how you've come up with such a bizarre take, seriously, is English not your first language?

Please feel free to ignore any more of my comments or get someone intelligent to read it out loud for you.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Again, what the absolute fuck are you on about?

Are you seriously one of those dumb fucks who reads something and interprets it completely differently to what's written?

I seriously have no clue how you've come up with such a bizarre take, seriously, is English not your first language?

Please feel free to ignore any more of my comments or get someone intelligent to read it out loud for you.

So aggressive at someone repeating your own words back to you.

 

[chiefdave]

Always wonder if people who say things like ‘they should just give up the land’, ‘move somewhere else’ or similar would be happy with that if it was happening here.

 

[rondog1973]

Always wonder if people who say things like ‘they should just give up the land’, ‘move somewhere else’ or similar would be happy with that if it was happening here.

Poland, the low countries, France 1939/40, just give up the land!

 

[fatso]

So aggressive at someone repeating your own words back to you.

You havnt repeated my words though have you.

For some strange reason you've chosen to completely misinterpret my words, and when corrected, you chose to double down on your mistake.

You're just going to have to accept that I know what I mean more than you think you know what I mean.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You havnt repeated my words though have you.

For some strange reason you've chosen to completely misinterpret my words, and when corrected, you chose to double down on your mistake.

You're just going to have to accept that I know what I mean more than you think you know what I mean.

Tbf the majority of Palestinian people arnt fighting, it's a small majority (Hamas) that are he'll bent on the destruction of Israel.

I'd imagine your average Palestinian mother father and family arnt up to fighting the IDF, so unless a peace deal can be found (and let's be honest, it wont) it appears that re-location is now the only realistic option if they wish to live in peace.

People might argue "it's their land why should they be driven out etc, but im afraid, realistically, there's no one coming to their aid, so there's little option other than to stay and be slaughtered.

Plenty of global leaders are condemning the killings on both sides, but the words arnt followed up by action.

You tell me what it means then. Make it make sence (sic).

 

[fatso]

Poland, the low countries, France 1939/40, just give up the land!

Poland had a pact with GB that an attack would bring other countries to their aid militarily, hence the triggering of WW2.

Palestine has no such pact, despite being bordered by supposedly friendly Muslim countries.
There's no overwhelming military force coming to help their plight, the international community have let them down badly.

Ultimately the killing looks set to continue while they stay on that land.
That doesn't make it right, it's just a statement of fact.
Apparently millions have already fled, the rest will probably follow or be killed.

(For the sake of the one village idiot on here, can I make it abundantly clear that I in no way endorse the killing or the forced migration of Palestinians from their land)

 

[HungarySkyBlue]

Genuine question, why do people think the rest of the nabouring Arab world, (sworn enemies of Israel) won't take the Palestinian people into their land as refugees?

There's obviously a season for it, still don't make what Israel is doing acceptable.

 

[fatso]

You tell me what it means then. Make it make sence (sic).

It's simple.
Stay = die
Leave = live

It's a shit choice, but America is backing Israel
Nato doesn't have a remit to get involved.

And no international peace keeping force is coming to their aid.

 

[fatso]

There's obviously a season for it, still don't make what Israel is doing acceptable.

It's that reason that I'm struggling to understand.

They are stuck between Israel who's bombing them to pieces, and Arab Muslim countries who (it appears at least) arnt doing an aweful lot to help them.

Maybe they are worried about US military action against them.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's that reason that I'm struggling to understand.

They are stuck between Israel who's bombing them to pieces, and Arab Muslim countries who (it appears at least) arnt doing an aweful lot to help them.

Because accepting them gives the green light for Israel to walk in and take the land.

 

[fatso]

Because accepting them gives the green light for Israel to walk in and take the land.

But Israel will walk in and claim the land anyway once the last Palestinian has been killed.

What chance does that give Palestinian families?

 

[Ian1779]

Israel doing an efficient job of starving children.

Genociders gonna genocide.

 

[fatso]

Genociders gonna genocide.

Unfortunately the genocide will continue while they stay there.
The world is standing by and doing F.A.

 

[shmmeee]

Tbf the majority of Palestinian people arnt fighting, it's a small majority (Hamas) that are he'll bent on the destruction of Israel.

I'd imagine your average Palestinian mother father and family arnt up to fighting the IDF, so unless a peace deal can be found (and let's be honest, it wont) it appears that re-location is now the only realistic option if they wish to live in peace.

People might argue "it's their land why should they be driven out etc, but im afraid, realistically, there's no one coming to their aid, so there's little option other than to stay and be slaughtered.

Plenty of global leaders are condemning the killings on both sides, but the words arnt followed up by action.

“relocation”

Fuck all the way off with that shit. Are you going to give them your land?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Unfortunately the genocide will continue while they stay there.
The world is standing by and doing F.A.

The answer is not for millions of civilians to accept forced removal, the answer is for the war criminal Netanyahu to stop committing his ethnic cleansing and to be sent to The Hague for what he’s done.

 

[fatso]

The answer is not for millions of civilians to accept forced removal, the answer is for the war criminal Netanyahu to stop committing his ethnic cleansing and to be sent to The Hague for what he’s done.

I don't disagree with that, but unfortunately the global response has been appalling, nothing has been done to stop the killing, so the genocide won't stop until every Palestinian is killed.

Should they stay and wait to be slaughtered?
Or should they move away?

Unfortunately there isn't a realistic third option that anyone is prepared to offer.
Just saying this or that SHOULD happen, isn't going to make it happen.
The killing is continuing.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Unfortunately the genocide will continue while they stay there.
The world is standing by and doing F.A.

Take this for example.

The first line can easily be taken as them being partly to blame because they're choosing to stay in their own country.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Poland had a pact with GB that an attack would bring other countries to their aid militarily, hence the triggering of WW2.

Palestine has no such pact, despite being bordered by supposedly friendly Muslim countries.
There's no overwhelming military force coming to help their plight, the international community have let them down badly.

Ultimately the killing looks set to continue while they stay on that land.
That doesn't make it right, it's just a statement of fact.
Apparently millions have already fled, the rest will probably follow or be killed.

(For the sake of the one village idiot on here, can I make it abundantly clear that I in no way endorse the killing or the forced migration of Palestinians from their land)

To be fair the two responses you got to the message both used the words ethnic cleanising. And whether that's what you meant or not I can certainly see why they used that term.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't disagree with that, but unfortunately the global response has been appalling, nothing has been done to stop the killing, so the genocide won't stop until every Palestinian is killed.

Should they stay and wait to be slaughtered?
Or should they move away?

Unfortunately there isn't a realistic third option that anyone is prepared to offer.
Just saying this or that SHOULD happen, isn't going to make it happen.
The killing is continuing.

There is a third option, the two state solution which has been most countries’ supported answer for years. Israel stops killing people and recognises the Palestinian state.

 

[fatso]

Take this for example.

The first line can easily be taken as them being partly to blame because they're choosing to stay in their own country.

There's no blame implied, it's purely a statement of fact.

Those who are staying are being killed.
In the absence of any intervention from foreign powers they are ultimately left with 2 options, stay and die, or leave and live.
It's as brutal as that.

It's alright people saying what they think SHOULD happen, but the brutal reality is that there's no help coming, and no international will to stop every last Palestinian being killed, at which point Israel will take over the land and consider it mission accomplished.

 

[fatso]

There is a third option, the two state solution which has been most countries’ supported answer for years. Israel stops killing people and recognises the Palestinian state.

They've tried that since q948, and the attacks of October 7th will be the proof that Israel needs to say it doesn't work. (I'd imagine)

And after all what's happened in the last 18 months, I think it's fair to say it's never going to happen now.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Genuine question, why do people think the rest of the nabouring Arab world, (sworn enemies of Israel) won't take the Palestinian people into their land as refugees?

Why would they? Why should they?

 

[fatso]

Why would they? Why should they?

Only because they are fellow Muslims, and as the Quran clearly states a Muslim should give aid to a fellow Muslim in distress, Under the brotherhood of Allah (Quaran 3:103)

 

[SBT]

Only because they are fellow Muslims, and as the Quran clearly states a Muslim should give aid to a fellow Muslim in distress, Under the brotherhood of Allah (Quaran 3:103)

Our own country doesn’t seem that keen on taking in fellow Christians in their millions from Eastern Europe. Why should any other country do the same?

 

[fatso]

Our own country doesn’t seem that keen on taking in fellow Christians in their millions from Eastern Europe. Why should any other country do the same?

I don't think you grasp the situation.

Comparing It to Christianity and the UK is like comparing chalk and Cheese.

 

[Evo1883]

I don't think you grasp the situation.

Comparing It to Christianity and the UK is like comparing chalk and Cheese.

Mate I think really if we take religion out of the situation and watch the documentary and look at it on a human level , you cant not feel Israel are behaving in a despicable manner , even i didnt realise the level of oppression people are facing in the west bank ... but what I also didnt realise was the level of unhealthy hatred and nationalism towards everybody that isnt Jewish... there is a word for it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They've tried that since q948, and the attacks of October 7th will be the proof that Israel needs to say it doesn't work. (I'd imagine)

And after all what's happened in the last 18 months, I think it's fair to say it's never going to happen now.

Who has tried it? Peace was brought to NI by an agreement where both sides had to make concessions they really didn’t want to make.

In this case Israel recognises Palestine’s right to exist, Hamas recognise Israel’s and you could add decommissioning to the agreement as was done with the IRA. The Netanyahu regime though simply wants to do ethnic cleansing in Gaza and the West Bank. To be clear, Netanyahu should hang for his war crimes-what I’m proposing also sees him escape punishment for that.

 

[fatso]

Mate I think really if we take religion out of the situation and watch the documentary and look at it on a human level , you cant not feel Israel are beaching in a despicable manner , even i didnt realise the level of oppression people are facing in the west bank ... but what I also didnt realise was the level of unhealthy hatred and nationalism towards everybody that isnt Jewish... there is a word for it

There's certainly no defending what has gone on, but you also can't take religion out of the equation either.
The Muslims and the Jews are sworn enemies, which makes the whole idea of a 2 party state totally unworkable.

 

[SBT]

I don't think you grasp the situation.

Comparing It to Christianity and the UK is like comparing chalk and Cheese.

Why? Do Christians not also have the same religious imperative to accept migrants and help those in need?

 

[fatso]

Why? Do Christians not also have the same religious imperative to accept migrants and help those in need?

Christians in the UK (in General) are nowhere near as strict in their conformance (if thats the right word) as middle Eastern Muslims. (In my brief experience)

Just as a simple example, the wearing of beards (usually just the men) and the hajib, strict religious education, the call to prayer, the observance of religious ceremonies, the non tolerance to LGBTQ+, the supression of womens rights the lack of tolerance to non muslims etc etc
The list could go on and on.

Personally I don't think there's any comparison.

But Christians do have a need to help others, and as a country we do and still are, just look at the Ukranian Women and children we took in. Look at the level of Legal migrants we take in every year.
It's ongoing.