messiahrobins
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I am posting facts.
I am posting facts.Absolutely batshit. I think you need a break from social media.
Why would the West want this war to continue? The terrorism threat in the US UK France is now at its most severe since 2001. If Israel cant win the war quickly then the West needs to do it for them surely?How about they don't want to.
Where are yours from? BBC Verify? Id hardly call that trustworthy if so.Well my figures aren’t from the Gaza health ministry, so it definitely isn’t that
No what if Isreal don't want them to, sorry for the confusion.Why would the West want this war to continue? The terrorism threat in the US UK France is now at its most severe since 2001. If Israel cant win the war quickly then the West needs to do it for them surely?
They were from the Pentagon.Where are yours from? BBC Verify? Id hardly call that trustworthy if so.
You're clearly a very angry, bitter individual who carries a lot of hate .I doubt the IDF are deliberately bombing civilians for fun. Dont you think its more than likely that
a) Gaza health ministry is grossly exaggerating the figures
b) Hamas are basically using innocent civilians as human shields
What does need to happen is this war gets ended asap as the knock on effects are deeply concerning. The prospects of significant global disorder over this issue are growing exponentially and one would think US and UK and French special forces together with Mossad could infiltrate and capture the Hamas command relatively quickly, as it seems to be in all those countries interests to get this resolved urgently. Hamas dont give a fuck about Palestinians. I am not sure how much effort the West an Israel are putting into getting that message across to Palestinians.
nick Griffin agrees with you...let that sink in.You're clearly a very angry, bitter individual who carries a lot of hate .
If Hamas decide never to surrender we could, ultimately, see the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. I'm sure you'd see that as simply a consequence of war but ultimately it will end in hatred towards Israel on a scale none of us can imagine .
I've always had sympathy with Israel after what happened 1939-45 but much of that sympathy has been wiped away by this. I'm sure I'm not alone.
What you care about is revenge and by the sound of it the deaths of thousands more innocent people is of absolutely no consequence. What you don't seem to care about are the consequences for Israel. Yes. You're too angry to have thought it through just like the Israeli leadership . Yes.nick Griffin agrees with you...let that sink in.
Do i hate Hamas? Yes? Am i angry at Hamas? Yes? Do i want their complete destruction? Yes.
Sky News isn’t left-wing ffs.It is fact. Lamestream media is now totally far left propoganda news channels. Not once have the BBC or Sly news stated Hamas hide within civilian areas or hospitals. Hamas have been doing that for decades!
Could you point to two or three of these posts on here that express sympathy for Hamas?I think most people accept what Israel are doing is wrong, I certainly think they have taken it too far, but I'm getting a feeling more and more like there is a lot of sympathy for Hamas. - That isn't just on here, in the real world too.
It's possible to dislike both of them right? That's certainly my stand point, but I'm not really seeing that going on and feel increasingly like the only side people seem to be denouncing is Israel (the odd troll aside). Say something bad about Palestine or Hamas and it ends up in arguments. Why is that? Closet sympathy with Hamas coming out? Secret hatred for Israel given an excuse? Or just seen enough of the retaliation to think it's gone too far and the festival attacks are more or less irrelevant in comparison now?
Very curious to see what people think. Hopefully this post isn't shot down.
Of course it’s possible to not like both; I don’t think anyone on here has ever expressed support for Hamas.I think most people accept what Israel are doing is wrong, I certainly think they have taken it too far, but I'm getting a feeling more and more like there is a lot of sympathy for Hamas. - That isn't just on here, in the real world too.
It's possible to dislike both of them right? That's certainly my stand point, but I'm not really seeing that going on and feel increasingly like the only side people seem to be denouncing is Israel (the odd troll aside). Say something bad about Palestine or Hamas and it ends up in arguments. Why is that? Closet sympathy with Hamas coming out? Secret hatred for Israel given an excuse? Or just seen enough of the retaliation to think it's gone too far and the festival attacks are more or less irrelevant in comparison now?
Very curious to see what people think. Hopefully this post isn't shot down.
BBC isn't either.Sky News isn’t left-wing ffs.
Will that happen? No. So why do Israel continue with indiscriminate attacks?Do i want their complete destruction? Yes.
Of course it's impossible. The more Israel bombs and continues to disregard the lives of Palestinian civilians the stronger Hamas and its successor organisations will become. Unfortunately the Israeli population will be paying for this folly for generations.Will that happen? No. So why do Israel continue with indiscriminate attacks?
I dislike both. I feel sorry for both the Palestinian and Israeli people caught up in this.I think most people accept what Israel are doing is wrong, I certainly think they have taken it too far, but I'm getting a feeling more and more like there is a lot of sympathy for Hamas. - That isn't just on here, in the real world too.
It's possible to dislike both of them right? That's certainly my stand point, but I'm not really seeing that going on and feel increasingly like the only side people seem to be denouncing is Israel (the odd troll aside). Say something bad about Palestine or Hamas and it ends up in arguments. Why is that? Closet sympathy with Hamas coming out? Secret hatred for Israel given an excuse? Or just seen enough of the retaliation to think it's gone too far and the festival attacks are more or less irrelevant in comparison now?
Very curious to see what people think. Hopefully this post isn't shot down.
Could you point to two or three of these posts on here that express sympathy for Hamas?
I don’t agree that “sympathy for Hamas” is “obvious” on here, although you’re not the first to make that claim. If there are clear examples of that, then share them.The whole theme of this thread is that of a one sided nature, and it feels very much like there's way more hatred on here for Israel. Would you agree? I'm not saying it is wrong or right, I have also called out Israel, but let's not go down a bunker of denying it because it is extremely obvious.
The calling out of Hamas is very, very minimal. I'm my opinion it looks like they have quite a lot of sympathy from people on here (and in the outside world).
If I were to log on here as a newbie and read through this thread, I would say most people are clearly on the side of Palestine. I am just curious why that is. If you don't have any insight into this then that's fine.
I dislike both. I feel sorry for both the Palestinian and Israeli people caught up in this.
I think the perceived sympathy for Hamas is more Palestinian sympathy in that if they don't take any actions then more and more settlements get built. You are getting pushed out of your land and no-one seems to be listening. In that situation people get desperate and you end up with the atrocities of Hamas, which ultimately only makes things worse.
They're damned whatever they do.
Where is the proof the attacks are indiscriminate? The say, and i believe them, Hamas use innocent civilians as human shields. You cant just not go after the enemy if they take human shields as that just sends a signal to all terrorists to do the same.Will that happen? No. So why do Israel continue with indiscriminate attacks?
Damn right i want revenge, and Israel wont give a fuck about hurting left wing feelings, ,and lets be honest the outrage is almost exclusively from left wing politicians and their supporters because Netayahnu is right wing.What you care about is revenge and by the sound of it the deaths of thousands more innocent people is of absolutely no consequence. What you don't seem to care about are the consequences for Israel. Yes. You're too angry to have thought it through just like the Israeli leadership . Yes.
So Hamas, an organisation that didn't exist until the 1980's, had links to the Nazi's in WWII?Damn right i want revenge, and Israel wont give a fuck about hurting left wing feelings, ,and lets be honest the outrage is almost exclusively from left wing politicians and their supporters because Netayahnu is right wing.
Hamas are to blame. Hamas also have links with the Nazis as well going back to ww2. Innocent people dying is awful, but in war that is unavoidable.
The elephant in the room is Donald Trump. He has been totally silent on this war and he looks almost certain to be President. One would think he would support Israel but his silence is deafening, and if HE is not impressed with Israel and stops the US military bankrolling of Israel, then yes i do agree, the consequences for Israel will be disastrous. Russia supports Hamas so without the US, Israel is toast, so i am mindful of your points and take them on board.
Where is the proof the attacks are indiscriminate?
As opposed to what? The international community demands that Israel stops? There’s also the small issue that if all the Palestinians leave Gaza crossing the border into Egypt that will leave Gaza empty and Israel free to settle Gaza. If you were being sceptical you wouldn’t be blamed for thinking that was Israel’s plan all along.Genuine question here.
While I'm sure all right minded human beings deplore the mass killing of innocent people wherever they may be, and whoever they are,
What I don't understand is why fellow neighbouring Muslim countries such as Egypt, Jordan, Iraq and Turkey don't open their borders and allow those who have been displaced to be temporarily relocated to avoid the bloodshed.
(Like we and other countries did for the Ukranians)
I'm genuinely perplexed.
How much are the assets of Gaza worth?As opposed to what? The international community demands that Israel stops? There’s also the small issue that if all the Palestinians leave Gaza crossing the border into Egypt that will leave Gaza empty and Israel free to settle Gaza. If you were being sceptical you wouldn’t be blamed for thinking that was Israel’s plan all along.
I think it’s more about land than anything. Let’s face it Gaza is a bombed out wreck. It has an airport and a limited amount of farmland, it would be all about real estate. Which is why Palestinians can’t leave, metaphorically they’re all fighting for their land regardless of if they support Hamas or pick up a weapon. Ordinary Palestinians understand that if they all leave Gaza they’re never coming back.How much are the assets of Gaza worth?
I think it's safe to say that Israel isn't going to listen to the International community.As opposed to what? The international community demands that Israel stops? There’s also the small issue that if all the Palestinians leave Gaza crossing the border into Egypt that will leave Gaza empty and Israel free to settle Gaza. If you were being sceptical you wouldn’t be blamed for thinking that was Israel’s plan all along.
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