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Grendel

Grendel

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Ccfcisparks said:
Please stop embarrassing me on this thread G Dawg! Show mercy :(
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You’ve stitched yourself up. I don’t care what you believe in but you can’t just keep chatting shit and not get pulled up on it I’m afraid
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Ccfcisparks said:
You’ve spun me in circles K man!
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Nah you’ve done it to yourself and of course unless there’s an answer I’ll assume you are a fundamental Christian and react accordingly
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Bugsy said:
It is funny that once I said I was a Christian, people start to question it and make fun,
but whenever anyone criticises any other religions for there beliefs it's different matter.
Goes to show.
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Not at all.

I will question things based on what someone says. You started talking about your faith and beliefs and I asked why you think all the other things that are written into that faith can be ignored. I will ask the same of anyone of any other religion.

Sure, it is easier on here as it's both a bit anonymous and I also feel that people on here will be more open to having those questions asked of them.

Maybe overall it is harder to question the faith of other religions, such as Islam, as they are probably more likely to have a harder or indoctrinated stance on that religion for various cultural reasons. But that's not true of all Muslims and there are many individuals who are fine with having their beliefs questioned and scrutinised, as long as it's done respectfully.

And Christianity is no different. It depends on the person and where you are. In places like this country you can question quite openly but if I went to Bible belt America in this fashion, the response would almost certainly be closer to a fundamentalist Muslim than a moderate Christian.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Ccfcisparks said:
go on how will you react accordingly
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It depends clearly on what you post. Unfortunately you’ve stated you are of fundamental faith. I accept this is why you have empathy with Islam and why you sympathise with its views on sexuality and marriage.

I assume though you would still oppose it’s bike treatment of women and allowing children to be forced into marriage?
 
Ccfcisparks

Ccfcisparks

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Grendel said:
It depends clearly on what you post. Unfortunately you’ve stated you are of fundamental faith. I accept this is why you have empathy with Islam and why you sympathise with its views on sexuality and marriage.

I assume though you would still oppose it’s bike treatment of women and allowing children to be forced into marriage?
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I have empathy with anyone going through trials. Like those innocents in Gaza or Ukraine that you mocked the demise of
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Not at all.

I will question things based on what someone says. You started talking about your faith and beliefs and I asked why you think all the other things that are written into that faith can be ignored. I will ask the same of anyone of any other religion.

Sure, it is easier on here as it's both a bit anonymous and I also feel that people on here will be more open to having those questions asked of them.

Maybe overall it is harder to question the faith of other religions, such as Islam, as they are probably more likely to have a harder or indoctrinated stance on that religion for various cultural reasons. But that's not true of all Muslims and there are many individuals who are fine with having their beliefs questioned and scrutinised, as long as it's done respectfully.

And Christianity is no different. It depends on the person and where you are. In places like this country you can question quite openly but if I went to Bible belt America in this fashion, the response would almost certainly be closer to a fundamentalist Muslim than a moderate Christian.
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Accirding to you if you don’t practice the teachings in the Muslim religion you are not if Muslim faith?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Ccfcisparks said:
I have empathy with anyone going through trials. Like those innocents in Gaza or Ukraine that you mocked the demise of
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I think you’d call this a deflection?
 
chiefdave

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
This Iranian regime have killed tens of thousands of their own people, and what has been going on there has really been swept under the carpet.
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Swept under the carpet by who?

There's been protests in this country attended by thousands of people prior to the US deciding to go to war.

There's also been early day motions in parliament, some going back years, against the Iranian government.

Sadly the world is a pretty shit place with too many atrocities taking place for most people to keep track of and actively protest against.
 
Grendel

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Brighton Sky Blue

Brighton Sky Blue

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
As I said, the future of Iran is a very valid talking point and concern. It is not however, a substitute for what has gone on or there, and it is being used as a smokescreen to have a go at Trump. I am not defending him either, I just find it ridiculous that the whole world did not give a shit until the US started doing something, and suddenly there is more outrage towards that, than there is a regime where heavy Islamic law was applied and many tens of thousands of people lost their lives trying to protest and free the country from it.

Regarding Israel, you keep going there and I do see it as a deflection, but it can be relevant. I have got no time for Israel or what they are doing/have done. Netanyahu is rightly wanted by International Crown Court. The actions of them, and the Iranian regime to me are more or less equally abhorrent, and I have said that many times that the fighting needs to stop. If Netanyahu got overthrown, you would be jumping for joy (as would I), not worrying so much about who was coming next as if it might be better to leave him in charge. I guess that qualifies my point quite nicely.
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It isn’t true that the whole world didn’t give a shit as I keep trying to tell you.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
Does this apply to all Muslims as well?
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In my opinion, yes.

If you are going to live your life as set out by a particular faith and the teachings of an omnipotent supreme being as written down by people supposedly chosen by that supreme being, you have to believe all of them or you are not truly a believer. You can't pick and choose what suits.

Either God is infallible, in which case everything they have had written down in their name, everything that has happened and everything that is happening is correct. Or if you think some of those things written or that have happened are or have been wrong, then God cannot be infallible and you cannot be a believer.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
In my opinion, yes.

If you are going to live your life as set out by a particular faith and the teachings of an omnipotent supreme being as written down by people supposedly chosen by that supreme being, you have to believe all of them or you are not truly a believer. You can't pick and choose what suits.

Either God is infallible, in which case everything they have had written down in their name, everything that has happened and everything that is happening is correct. Or if you think some of those things written or that have happened are or have been wrong, then God cannot be infallible and you cannot be a believer.
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So I assume all people regardless of religion are homophobic if they believe in this and in breach of uk law?
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What is it with the deflection? I haven't defended Trump.

As per usual, this is an attempt to focus on something else as there isn't a counter argument. The fact is that none of you wanted to know about Iran. When it has come up it has made you uncomfortable because you cannot criticise anything remotely Islamic. The fact it was Trump who went in is largely irrelevant, but because it was him, it is the only thing you can find yourselves able to talk about.
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Once again what you've decided in your head people have said is nothing like the reality. You're hearing what you want to hear.

So people haven't been talking about Iran until it recently came back into the news, so therefore they aren't opposed to them. Where you you writing endless criticism of them at the time? It wasn't on here, so I guess you couldn't have been that opposed to them either then. There is so much going on, both personally and globally, for people to comment on everything they do and don't agree on.

I've not seen anyone on here supporting the Ayatollah, or the Iranian regime. People have, now and in the past, said the regime hold abhorrent views on many issues, including but not limited to, women and homosexuality. There has been no support for them whatsoever. I think most people think Iran was a much better place before Islamic fundamentalism took over. But that doesn't mean you can't make things even worse, and that is the fear with what is happening, with no plan as to what comes next.

It's like someone having a gangrenous leg. No-one is going to be upset about having that leg removed. What they would be upset about is turning up in theatre and the surgeon is in their everyday clothes with dirty hands and the only surgical instrument available is a rusty saw. Sure, the leg needs to go but what's the point if you're going to either bleed to death or die of sepsis?

As for not being able to criticise anything remotely Islamic, again that's in your head. As far as I'm concerned Judaism, Christianity and Islam are not that different (hardly surprising as they all come from the same roots and just decided to have a different principal prophet) I've not seen anyone say anything other than many things written in Islamic scripture, and certainly the way it is interpreted by far too many, is nothing short of barbaric. I also think that there is a much lesser willingness to question those beliefs because they have not been exposed to having authority questioned as we have in recent Western culture. But there is also stuff in there about caring and compassion. As I say, it's pretty similar to Christian and Jewish beliefs if you just look at the words that are written down.
 
Grendel

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Ccfcisparks said:
I’m not a muslim so not bothering to read
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Oh it’s the same as your views. Gay people are disgusting and a stain on society and will on death go to hell
 
Grendel

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Ccfcisparks said:
Wow! What a horrendous accusation! Apologise immediately.
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You have said you are a devout Christian who believes in the bible as the word of god.
 
Grendel

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Ccfcisparks said:
I never said that about homosexuals though!

Appalling!
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So do you believe in gay marriage? If you don’t answer I guess people will just make a judgement on you won’t they?
 
Ccfcisparks

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Grendel said:
So do you believe in gay marriage? If you don’t answer I guess people will just make a judgement on you won’t they?
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A bit like people making a judgement on your inability to answer on your thoughts about Trump on the epstein list!

i believe people should be allowed to do whatever they want its their life
 
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Hegseth is such a fucking weirdo


Pete Hegseth, the US defence secretary, has taken to the podium at the Pentagon to provide an update on the conflict.

“I stand before you today with one unmistakable message about Operation Epic Fury,” Hegseth said. “America is winning. Decisively, devastatingly and without mercy.”

“We’re playing for keeps,” Hegseth said. “Our war fighters have maximum authorities granted personally by the president and yours truly. Our rules of engagement are bold, precise and designed to unleash American power, not shackle it.

He continued: “This was never meant to be a fair fight and it is not a fair fight. We are punching them while they’re down, which is exactly how it should be.”
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
So I assume all people regardless of religion are homophobic if they believe in this and in breach of uk law?
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Well, no, because as I said if they don't believe that homosexuality is evil or wrong then they're not truly a follower of the religion and they're just kidding themselves that they are because it's more comfortable for them socially and/or psychologically.

If you're a good person and kind, then that's not because you're Christian, or Muslim, or Jew, or whatever. It's just that you're a nice person.
 
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chiefdave said:
Swept under the carpet by who?

There's been protests in this country attended by thousands of people prior to the US deciding to go to war.

There's also been early day motions in parliament, some going back years, against the Iranian government.

Sadly the world is a pretty shit place with too many atrocities taking place for most people to keep track of and actively protest against.
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when they do people dont believe you went anyroads
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Well, no, because as I said if they don't believe that homosexuality is evil or wrong then they're not truly a follower of the religion and they're just kidding themselves that they are because it's more comfortable for them socially and/or psychologically.

If you're a good person and kind, then that's not because you're Christian, or Muslim, or Jew, or whatever. It's just that you're a nice person.
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Mmmm - so I assume you accept countries like Iran are devout?
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
Mmmm - so I assume you accept countries like Iran are devout?
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No. I would call them hardline. Again, they choose the bits they want, only they choose the harshest bits because they want to exert control and this gives them the best opportunity to do so. Messages of compassion and caring don't help suppress dissidents.
 
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