I'm told that I'm in the minority of opinion on this, but if that is the majority opinion I'm glad to be. It was once the majority consensus that the Earth was the centre of the universe and that diseases were caused by 'bad humours' in the body.He's been clear in the past he has no issue with innocent Muslims being bombed just because he doesn't agree with their views.
Wish we would resign Sheaf so he would just go back to spouting crap about him
Fantastic personal insults. Fortunately I don't engage in them properly as they are depressing to read. If only I had your intelligence Earlsdon I'd be able to travel the world dating models as you do.It might be a low bar on these threads, but you seem to struggle to engage in these discussions properly. I'm not sure you have the maturity or intelligence for them to be honest.
The population of Gaza is 2m, so what’s your point?Isn't the population of Israel around 9 million?
Yep but not in the way you think.The mask finally slipped today at least
there are almost 10m people in Israel, did they intend that day to kill most or all of them that day?
No, it was a vile terrorist attack
What is the specified aim of Hamas?
Who on here has expressed support for Hamas?It’s inherently strange to see several left wing posters who regularly comment about fascists in the UK, USA and Europe. Come to ignore that Hamas’ offshoots that is deeply antisemitic with links to al-Husayni, who met with Hitler and was a Nazi sympathiser. Again, their charters were amended in 2017 that all but changed references of ‘Jews’ to ‘Zionist’. There’s an unbelievably naive view of Hamas in the West.
There is no element of nuance to any of their comments. They can't grasp the concept that you can have empathy for a group of people who have been marginalised, whilst also not supporting the terrorist actions of a group on that "side"Who on here has expressed support for Hamas?
It’s also inherently strange to assume criticism of Israel automatically makes someone supportive or sympathetic of Hamas.It’s inherently strange to see several left wing posters who regularly comment about fascists in the UK, USA and Europe. Come to ignore that Hamas’ offshoots that is deeply antisemitic with links to al-Husayni, who met with Hitler and was a Nazi sympathiser. Again, their charters were amended in 2017 that all but changed references of ‘Jews’ to ‘Zionist’. There’s an unbelievably naive view of Hamas in the West.
Its the same on the football side. The thinking is so black and white. They hate a player, so can't comment when they contribute positively.It’s also inherently strange to assume criticism of Israel automatically makes someone supportive or sympathetic of Hamas.
Did they intend to kill all or most of the population? No, why can't you understand what Genocide actually meansThe population of Gaza is 2m, so what’s your point?
Yep but not in the way you think.
So Hamas militants invade Israel, rejoice in specifically killing Jews and that is not genocidal? Using the definitions you and others rely on for your own purposes, scale isn’t actually important. It’s the intent behind it and Hamas’ intentions were v clear.
Using your logic, at what point did the IDF move from legitimate military response to terrorism to then genocide? From an earlier post you seem to suggest it was genocide from Day 1.
It’s inherently strange to see several left wing posters who regularly comment about fascists in the UK, USA and Europe. Come to ignore that Hamas’ offshoots that is deeply antisemitic with links to al-Husayni, who met with Hitler and was a Nazi sympathiser. Again, their charters were amended in 2017 that all but changed references of ‘Jews’ to ‘Zionist’. There’s an unbelievably naive view of Hamas in the West.
It's almost as if he has decided the position he should take but hasn't actually taken the time to find out why.It’s also inherently strange to assume criticism of Israel automatically makes someone supportive or sympathetic of Hamas.
My point isn't convenient for you, but it is relevant. There has been an effort by some, including Keir Starmer who is apparently always right on issues pertaining to Israel but nothing else, to portray this as an anti-Semitic act.
Jewish Aston Villa fans can and will go to this game, despite being surrounded by all these nasty Muslims. They will both go and support the same club in a reflection of the multicultural city that the club is based in.
I don't know or particularly care much about Ajax.
I’m glad you got that off your chest. Now get yourself back down the job centre.Weird? Fuck me, have you seen what your nonce boy hero looks like.
Anyone who brainlessly cheers on a sex pest nonce is clearly a bit odd too. And I'm afraid you're the one who hates people.... Ooh the left, ooh immigrants, ooh brown people, ooh people with strange hair. They're all so horrible. Waah, can't we lock them all up.
What's also weird is suddenly faking an interest in Gaza, when for the last two years you couldn't give a shit about it. Or is that just odiously hypocritical. Probably both.
Anyway, my dad had a good word for blokes like you. Gobshite. The approximate definition is completely full of shit, not worth listening too. Good advice.
Hi GreggsI’m glad you got that off your chest. Now get yourself back down the job centre.
It should be overturned and as many police put in as necessary. If anyone causes trouble, they should be put straight in jail and fast tracked to court.I suspect the decision will be overturned, and it will kick off.
Then there will be an awful lot of finger pointing about who's to blame.
Now the decision has been made, they should stick with it. To overturn it now just adds a whole other layer of complexity to it and makes an already bad situation potentially worse.
Obviously I hope that if it is overturned, it goes ahead without incident.
If it is overturned, maybe they could "bubble" match the game like they do for games like Cardiff vs Swansea.I suspect the decision will be overturned, and it will kick off.
Then there will be an awful lot of finger pointing about who's to blame.
Now the decision has been made, they should stick with it. To overturn it now just adds a whole other layer of complexity to it and makes an already bad situation potentially worse.
Obviously I hope that if it is overturned, it goes ahead without incident.
Who on here has expressed support for Hamas?
You have to understand Hamas to understand Israel’s response. Frankly, Hamas is a genocidal death cult who do not want to coexist with Israel and changing its charter shouldn’t kid anyone.It’s also inherently strange to assume criticism of Israel automatically makes someone supportive or sympathetic of Hamas.
If it’s all the population that needs to be targeted, then Israel wouldn’t be guilty genocide. There 2m inhabitants in Gaza and 70k deaths - 3.5%. If Hamas had Israel’s military capabilities, they would be more than capable of genocide. They killed the numbers they did using v rudimentary military means and a lack of coordination with entities such as Hezbollah.Did they intend to kill all or most of the population? No, why can't you understand what Genocide actually means
Once again, who has supported Hamas?
You're probably right, it's to much in the mainstream now to reverse and would make it worse if they didI suspect the decision will be overturned, and it will kick off.
Then there will be an awful lot of finger pointing about who's to blame.
Now the decision has been made, they should stick with it. To overturn it now just adds a whole other layer of complexity to it and makes an already bad situation potentially worse.
Obviously I hope that if it is overturned, it goes ahead without incident.
Like I said, a decision popular with Islamists and fringe left wingers. No one else.Here we go
It's the definition mate, that is what matters and if an act falls under that. Genocide is something there is a set international definition of.You have to understand Hamas to understand Israel’s response. Frankly, Hamas is a genocidal death cult who do not want to coexist with Israel and changing its charter shouldn’t kid anyone.
With that in mind, how does Israel conduct war with an entity that wants to Palestine to be ‘free from the river the sea’ (to clarify, means no Israel) and embeds itself deliberately in civilian infrastructure.
If there was a defined ‘front’ like in Ukraine, then the arguments make sense if Israel was targeting non-combatant areas. As it happens, Hamas has deliberately used the Palestinians as human shields.
Every war has significantly more civilian casualties than combatants therefore, if that’s the new baseline… Every war is by definition genocidal.
If it’s all the population that needs to be targeted, then Israel wouldn’t be guilty genocide. There 2m inhabitants in Gaza and 70k deaths - 3.5%. If Hamas had Israel’s military capabilities, they would be more than capable of genocide. They killed the numbers they did using v rudimentary military means and a lack of coordination with entities such as Hezbollah.
Is it intent that matters or scale? You seem to say scale whereas the definition of genocide being used by the UN specifically outlines intent. Likewise, before the conflict Gaza’s population was growing.
A flight from BHX to Norwich or Shrewsbury. There fans could live all over the placeIf it is overturned, maybe they could "bubble" match the game like they do for games like Cardiff vs Swansea.
Only allow them to use certain flights in and bus straight o ground and back again to airport.
It can't be accused of being "Anti Semtic" as this is how UK police deal with high risk league fixtures.
You're just acting as an apologist for Israel's crimes at this point. Do you think they have done anything wrong at least?You have to understand Hamas to understand Israel’s response. Frankly, Hamas is a genocidal death cult who do not want to coexist with Israel and changing its charter shouldn’t kid anyone.
With that in mind, how does Israel conduct war with an entity that wants to Palestine to be ‘free from the river the sea’ (to clarify, means no Israel) and embeds itself deliberately in civilian infrastructure.
If there was a defined ‘front’ like in Ukraine, then the arguments make sense if Israel was targeting non-combatant areas. As it happens, Hamas has deliberately used the Palestinians as human shields.
Every war has significantly more civilian casualties than combatants therefore, if that’s the new baseline… Every war is by definition genocidal.
If it’s all the population that needs to be targeted, then Israel wouldn’t be guilty genocide. There 2m inhabitants in Gaza and 70k deaths - 3.5%. If Hamas had Israel’s military capabilities, they would be more than capable of genocide. They killed the numbers they did using v rudimentary military means and a lack of coordination with entities such as Hezbollah.
Is it intent that matters or scale? You seem to say scale whereas the definition of genocide being used by the UN specifically outlines intent. Likewise, before the conflict Gaza’s population was growing.
And? If you are a Swansea fan who wants to go to your game away at Cardiff you have to go to Swansea first even if you live in say London.A flight from BHX to Norwich or Shrewsbury. There fans could live all over the place
Then why do you struggle to apply the same definition to Hamas actions.It's the definition mate, that is what matters and if an act falls under that. Genocide is something there is a set international definition of.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
You're just acting as an apologist for Israel's crimes at this point. Do you think they have done anything wrong at least?
I concede that I don't know much about Ajax, and if this were the Ajax fan forum I'd look pretty silly.You can't argue that I am finding your argument inconvenient and then say you don't know or care about Ajax. You are just showing yourself up as someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.
This multi-cultural success story as you paint it, is showing some big cracks. This whole discussion point and what has happened with the football is real-time indicator of it, and it has gone well over your head.
I am applying the same definition and we have clearly explained to you the difference in the actions as compared the the internationally agreed definition.Then why do you struggle to apply the same definition to Hamas actions.
More specifically, at what point does war become genocide? You said earlier ‘after the genocide begun’. Which was when? The moment Israel entered Gaza or was there a specific event where the line was crossed?
Civilians have been invited to queue up to receive aid and then used as shooting practice. Israeli ministers have openly said that they want to bomb the aid supplies and deny any food or medical relief going in. There have been debates in the Knesset about whether or not IDF soldiers should be allowed to rape prisoners; with outrage expressed at the idea that it might not be allowed.This is childish. I acknowledge that there is extreme difficulty in waging war against an entity like Hamas in densely populated areas.
So someone who lives in the UK has to fly back to Israel then get a fight back. Oh dear Dave, it's Friday the day your underpants visit the laundrette, I'll let you offAnd? If you are a Swansea fan who wants to go to your game away at Cardiff you have to go to Swansea first even if you live in say London.
Unlucky
Ok, they have to get to B'ham airport and then get on the same buses to the groundSo someone who lives in the UK has to fly back to Israel then get a fight back. Oh dear Dave, it's Friday the day your underpants visit the laundrette, I'll let you off
This is exactly the logic that has been applied to other games. When I lived near Fratton Park they made Southampton supporters who lived in Pompey travel back to Southampton to then travel in a 'bubble' to the game. Without doing that there was no way for them to obtain tickets.So someone who lives in the UK has to fly back to Israel then get a fight back. Oh dear Dave, it's Friday the day your underpants visit the laundrette, I'll let you off
Her statement doesn't match the article.Here we go
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