David O'Day
Well-Known Member
No, it was a vile terrorist attack.
It is possible to think what is happening in Gaza is Genocide and not support Hamas you know.
No, it was a vile terrorist attack.Was October 7th 2023 genocide?
Polling is unreliable in the West Bank and Gaza, but the data we have suggests there was widespread support for Hamas’ actions on October 7th 2023. 72% polled supported kicking this conflict off. With neighbours like that, the prospects of a peaceful two-state solution is little to none.
This includes the West Bank who were more supportive of Hamas’ incursion than in Gaza…Are you shocked that a population that has seen its infrastructure levelled and its neighbour attempt to basically force them from their lands may rightly or wrongly side with anyone who can be seen to oppose that?
Why would he be targeted? Jewish people go to Villa games all the time, Sick Boy has a Jewish friend who has an Villa ST.There was a Jewish student in Birmingham who phoned in to 5 Live and said he will not attend the game as he fears he will be targeted,
Lots of teams have a history of violence, Birmingham fans aren't banned when they play there. Always violence before and afterJewish people aren't banned from Villa Park? The supporters of a team with a history of violence have been.
Are Jewish Villa fans banned?
After the Genocide had started.This includes the West Bank who were more supportive of Hamas’ incursion than in Gaza…
The polling was published in Dec 2023 so was conducted shortly after the events.
Why are they banned thenWhy would he be targeted? Jewish people go to Villa games all the time, Sick Boy has a Jewish friend who has an Villa ST.
What evidence is there that Jewish people will be targeted at the game?
Ban Muslims and those fuckin stupid Palestine marches instead. Just saying like
I think you two are looking for a somewhat more extreme message board. At least, I hope you are.Just out of curiosity, who do you reckon is more radical: the average working class Israeli or Palestinian?
Hang on, Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. It’s not a terrorist attack at all.No, it was a vile terrorist attack.
It is possible to think what is happening in Gazi is Genocide and not support Hamas you know.
The UN disagrees with you.No, I don’t. Hamas deliberately embeds itself in civilian infrastructure.
It’s not a conventional war (lik Ukraine-Russia) where there is a clear demarcation between military frontlines and civilian, non-combatant areas. Even so, civilian casualties is an ugly feature of war.
This is obviously more of a rhetorical question because none of us are military experts here, but how do you conduct a war in an area like Gaza?
What the fuck you on about, basically Jewish people are banned from the game. The local MP wants it.
Why would he be targeted? Jewish people go to Villa games all the time, Sick Boy has a Jewish friend who has an Villa ST.
What evidence is there that Jewish people will be targeted at the game?
I must have missed you posting at a similar rate when this has occurred previouslyI don’t support any football fans being banned because the authorities should be on top of it.
I explained why. Because people, including our prime minister, are declaring it is anti-semetic to ban football supporters of a specific club. There's also being claims thrown around that Jewish people are banned from Villa Park which is just not true.Why have you quoted the definition of antisemitism? It’s one thing to conflate British Jewish people as Israeli. Quite another to say banning Israeli football fans is an act targeting Jews when Tel Aviv is a city that is 90% Jewish.
I made no mention of Amsterdam. A quick read of the history of this club would suggest that just focusing on Amsterdam is missing the bigger picture.On your comments regarding Tel Aviv hooliganism in Amsterdam last year, your narrative doesn’t fit the facts on the ground
They aren't banned, see Sick Boys post about his friend who is a Villa ST holder and Jewish. I also know Dan who is the Villa ticketing manager and their is no ban on Jewish Villa Fans. You probably need to stop believing everything you read online.Why are they banned then
The pertinent question is why are these fans not guaranteed safe passage in our second biggest city? There wouldn’t be concerns if Tel Aviv were playing in Oxford.
The multicultural dream is that we become this melting pot with shared common values.
Two ironies here:
- Jenrick just got pilloried by some parts of the media for decrying lack of integration in Handsworth
- Polanski mae a heart warming video on multiculturalism is in Birmingham
The SAG and WMP have recommended against having away fans because they can’t guarantee the safety of a group of football fans who will mostly be Jewish because of the wider demographics of Birmingham.
If the police had intelligence that it could kick off with local Birmingham populations and when you have a local cleric inciting certain things, it’s really not a good look for Britain.
No, I don’t.
The Dutch authorities actually condemned what could be described as ‘Jew hunts’ from the local population. It’s only left wing journos/outlets who seem to place the blame on Tel Aviv fans.
The SAG and WMP have said that the
Of the arrests in Amsterdam last year, a small % were Tel Aviv fans. The majority that were arrested were locals. This narrative that it was Tel Aviv ultras tearing up the city is nonsense. Yes, there was bad behaviour and chanting on their side.
Back to this, we have hosted football fans with much worse reputations than Tel Aviv so it’s v apparent that this isn’t about football hooliganism.
You cryptically put the ‘recent political environment’. Be honest about what you mean here. The concerns over safety of Israeli football fans isn’t because of middle-class Palestine Action protestors you regularly see in Birmingham. Its concerns are with it kicking off with the locals who have cleric who called Tel Aviv footballs fans visiting Birmingham as ‘the IDF’ and that the usual rule of Islam are disapplied - which is incitement.
'Ban Muslims'What the fuck you on about, basically Jewish people are banned from the game. The local MP wants it.
The local Muslim MP wants the Jewish fans of the away team banned. You should watch the news more. Even the prime minister wants it reversedThey aren't banned, see Sick Boys post about his friend who is a Villa ST holder and Jewish. I also know Dan who is the Villa ticketing manager and their is no ban on Jewish Villa Fans. You probably need to stop believing everything you read online.
Not all Israelis are Jews, sounds very anti-Semitic of you to make the assumption.The local Muslim MP wants the Jewish fans of the away team banned. You should watch the news more. Even the prime minister wants it reversed
Because they are Jewish, any other team with a history of violence are not bannedNo they aren't. Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are banned from attending.
Hang on, Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. It’s not a terrorist attack at all.
It was actual genocide. They deliberately targeted non-combatants and civilian areas away from military targets. The IDF weren’t embedded in the Kibbutz or supernova festival.
Nah, the UN is run by anti-SemitesGenocide is the intent to destroy the whole or 'substantial' part of a group.
What they did on that day was clearly horrific beyond words, but I don't think they intended or expected to wipe out a substantial part of Israel on that day.
Whereas Israel have quite clearly intended to wipe out probably all, but at the very least a substantial part of, Palestinians.
So they have not been banned then, just that someone has said they think they should be?The local Muslim MP wants the Jewish fans of the away team banned. You should watch the news more. Even the prime minister wants it reversed
How many Muslims follow Jewish football teams then, got your blinkers on as normal. Now go and tell everybody ' I was a teacher you know 'Not all Israelis are Jews, sounds very anti-Semitic of you to make the assumption.
This is not true is it, there's been examples in this thread of other games in this competition where fans have been banned.Because they are Jewish, any other team with a history of violence are not banned
So they have not been banned then, just that someone has said they think they should be?
The PM wants the banning of the supporters of a particular club reversed, he hasn't mentioned the banning of "jewish fans" at all.
Tel Aviv is a city whose population is 90% Jewish. That accusation of anti-semitism is childish.Not all Israelis are Jews, sounds very anti-Semitic of you to make the assumption.
I mean almost 20% of the population of Israel itself are Muslims.Not all Israelis are Jews, sounds very anti-Semitic of you to make the assumption.
They can have fans from other parts of Israel who want to go to the match. Jewish Aston Villa fans haven't been banned have they?Tel Aviv is a city whose population is 90% Jewish. That accusation of anti-semitism is childish.
I didn't 'tell everybody', I was asked repeatedly by a poster who kept bringing it up on his own.How many Muslims follow Jewish football teams then, got your blinkers on as normal. Now go and tell everybody ' I was a teacher you know '
How many Muslims follow Jewish football teams then, got your blinkers on as normal. Now go and tell everybody ' I was a teacher you know '
CircumcisionWhat separates a Jewish football team from an Israeli one? How do you tell the difference?
It's not like Muslims also play for the Israeli national team wait whatI mean almost 20% of the population of Israel itself are Muslims.
So has Ed Davey, it seems to be deeply unpopular across most the political divide other than Islamists and fringe left wingers.Starmer said the ban was anti semetic
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