Israel - Palestinian Conflict (19 Viewers)

[covcity4life]

Twitter rabbit holes have a lot to answer for.

It's a real worry. I signed up for X again last week out on curiosity and all I get is right wing propogranda even though in not following anyone like that

It's clear what Elon musk is doing and so so many people are falling for it. I see it in schools with kids and parents.


I have deactivated already

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

Not a clue mate, don't really keep a close watch on the behaviour of various teams around the world and, unlike many on here who seem to have been following their every move closely, Maccabi Tel Aviv hadn't registered on my radar at all before they came up on here. Having said that it didn't take much research to find several things of concern, not least that the owners of the club appear to endorse the racism in their fan base.

But nobody is claiming they are the worst hooligans in Europe are they? As has been pointed out on this thread they aren't the first, and no doubt won't be the last, club to have restrictions but on their supporters. They aren't even the first club to have visiting supporters banned this season, where's the hundreds of outraged posts about Eintracht fans being banned from Napoli?

The point I was making is I mind it highly unlikely that the SAG and WMP, who have been happily rounding up anti-genocide protesters, have suddenly decided that all jews should be banned from Villa Park. I think its far more likely, as we have experienced ourselves, that a risk assessment has been done and a decision made on that basis.

Do find it slightly odd that after people are making claims of anti-semitism being behind this decision while conflating all jews, Israel, the IDF and ultras. The favoured definition of anti-semitism that people have been pushed to be adopted states that is anti-semitic but increasing that seems to be getting ignored.

I don’t support any football fans being banned because the authorities should be on top of it. In any case, the UK has hosted team with much worse reputations of hooliganism and in the case of Turkish football fans, clubs who have killed English fans abroad (Galatasary).

In this specific context, it’s clear the concerns of ‘the political environment’ has trumped the concerns over hooliganism. That is as clear as day. Birmingham has elected sectarian MPs, one of whom celebrated the SAGs decision.

Why have you quoted the definition of antisemitism? It’s one thing to conflate British Jewish people as Israeli. Quite another to say banning Israeli football fans is an act targeting Jews when Tel Aviv is a city that is 90% Jewish.

On your comments regarding Tel Aviv hooliganism in Amsterdam last year, your narrative doesn’t fit the facts on the ground:

62 people arrested; 49 Dutch, 10 Israelis and all 5 hospitalised were Israeli. The local authorities decried ‘Jew hunting’ on the streets of Amsterdam.

Get a grip.

Of course, the people calling ‘global intifada’ and ‘jihad’ obviously want to coexist with Israel…

 

[fernandopartridge]

I don’t support any football fans being banned because the authorities should be on top of it. In any case, the UK has hosted team with much worse reputations of hooliganism and in the case of Turkish football fans, clubs who have killed English fans abroad (Galatasary).

In this specific context, it’s clear the concerns of ‘the political environment’ has trumped the concerns over hooliganism. That is as clear as day. Birmingham has elected sectarian MPs, one of whom celebrated the SAGs decision.

Why have you quoted the definition of antisemitism? It’s one thing to conflate British Jewish people as Israeli. Quite another to say banning Israeli football fans is an act targeting Jews when Tel Aviv is a city that is 90% Jewish.

On your comments regarding Tel Aviv hooliganism in Amsterdam last year, your narrative doesn’t fit the facts on the ground:

62 people arrested; 49 Dutch, 10 Israelis and all 5 hospitalised were Israeli. The local authorities decried ‘Jew hunting’ on the streets of Amsterdam.



Of course, the people calling ‘global intifada’ and ‘jihad’ obviously want to coexist with Israel…

Of course most people nicked were dutch - it's far easier to round up the visitors and get them on the plane home than to arrest them all. The videos of the Tel Aviv fans' behaviour were widely shared.

It'll be good for the UK to see the mentality of your average working class Israeli

 

[Marty]

If we cut to the chase , the reason their fans have been banned is because the local authorities cant guarantee their safety because birmingham has a very large muslim population that will probably be out for blood .

Isnt this the truth ?

Religion of peace iirc.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Well if there is no worry about violence then why are they banned and why are other ultra groups not banned from attending games in birmingham .

Im sure you arent that silly

you're not that silly either Why police have banned Israeli fans from Aston Villa

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Funny how Robert Jenrick was accused of racism last week saying parts of Birmingham are poorly integrated . Just saying like.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I like @Mucca Mad Boys as a posterm I agree on nearly everything with you ccfc wise

But your clearly a very angry/frightened man and it's effecting your views

100% disagree.

I understand a small bit of Arabic and on more than one occasion in Birmingham and London, I’ve heard the word ‘Yahoud’ be chanted at Pro-Pal demos. No social media, that’s being out and about.

We literally had a Syrian migrant called ‘Jihad’ attacked a synagogue a couple of weeks ago and it’s common place for Jewish schools and places of worship to have amped up security. Jewish people across Europe from the UK, France, Germany, the Netherlands an so on feel more unsafe than at any point in recent history. Why is that?

Of course most people nicked were dutch - it's far easier to round up the visitors and get them on the plane home than to arrest them all. The videos of the Tel Aviv fans' behaviour were widely shared.

It'll be good for the UK to see the mentality of your average working class Israeli

Just out of curiosity, who do you reckon is more radical: the average working class Israeli or Palestinian?

 

[David O'Day]

you're not that silly either Why police have banned Israeli fans from Aston Villa

Pretty much, WMP and the SAG have looked at this and thought "Brum has a very large Muslim community and there is a chance the away fans may try and wind these people up, better safer than sorry".

What we have is politicians of all stripes sounding off on something they have not seen the full facts on. WMP will also have been tracking activity and can probably show the government intelligence they have on what may happen.

 

[covcity4life]

100% disagree.

I understand a small bit of Arabic and on more than one occasion in Birmingham and London, I’ve heard the word ‘Yahoud’ be chanted at Pro-Pal demos. No social media, that’s being out and about.

We literally had a Syrian migrant called ‘Jihad’ attacked a synagogue a couple of weeks ago and it’s common place for Jewish schools and places of worship to have amped up security. Jewish people across Europe from the UK, France, Germany, the Netherlands an so on feel more unsafe than at any point in recent history. Why is that?



Just out of curiosity, who do you reckon is more radical: the average working class Israeli or Palestinian?

I'm not sure your point. I won't deny that there are alot of people with hate for Israel/Jews in addition to anger of genocide. It's not right

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Of course, the people calling ‘global intifada’ and ‘jihad’ obviously want to coexist with Israel…

Your thoughts on these comments please:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/06/middleeast/israeli-minister-smotrich-starve-gazans-intl/

As Israeli lawmaker advocates rape of Palestinians, U.N. report details detainee torture

On Wednesday, an Israeli military court extended the detention of eight out of nine Israeli soldiers who have been held over what a defense lawyer said were allegations of sexual abuse of a Palestinian at Sde Teiman—a shadowy facility where Israel has held prisoners from Gaza during its genocidal...

www.peoplesworld.org

Bezalel Smotrich: No more raids or in-and-out operations – now we conquer, cleanse, and stay. Until Hamas is destroyed. Along the way, what remains of the Strip is also being wiped out, simply because everything there has become one big terror city.

I think it will be possible to declare 'we have won' within a few months. Gaza will be completely destroyed, its civilians will be concentrated south of the Morag Axis - and from there, they will leave in large numbers to third countries.

Tulkarm and Jenin will look like Jabalia and Shujaiya. Nablus and Ramallah will look like Rafah and Khan Younis. They too will be uninhabitable ruins, their residents will be forced to migrate and seek a new life in other countries.

The time has come to completely stop the transfer of humanitarian aid to Hamas, to stop these entrances and exits at the risk of our soldiers, the time has come to occupy the Gaza Strip, to seize territory from them permanently as a response to the terrible massacre and to prevent the next massacre.

Itamar Ben-Gvir: Complete halt of "humanitarian" aid. Total occupation of the Strip. Total destruction of Hamas. Encouragement of migration. Settlement.

The only way to achieve victory . . . is through the complete conquest of the Strip, a total cessation of "humanitarian" aid, and the encouragement of emigration.

The food and aid depots should be bombed in order to create military and political pressure.

We will encourage voluntary transfer of all Gazan citizens. We will offer them the opportunity to move to other countries because that land belongs to us.

Occupation, settlement, and encouragement of emigration. Only in this way can we solve the problem of Gaza. To occupy all the land. To settle in all the land. And of course, to encourage the voluntary emigration of as many [Palestinian] people as possible to other countries.

 

[PVA]

October 7th was an attack with genocidal intent so anyone at these demos is implicitly supporting genocide themselves.

This is one of the wildest claims in all 180 odd pages of this thread!

 

[David O'Day]

Funny how Robert Jenrick was accused of racism last week saying parts of Birmingham are poorly integrated . Just saying like.

What does that have to do with anything? WMP and the SAGs decision isn't based on the "integration" of parts of Brum, rather it's on past actions and likely future intelligence.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This is one of the wildest claims in all 180 odd pages of this thread!

Mucca Mad Ben-Gvir

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

What does that have to do with anything? WMP and the SAGs decision isn't based on the "integration" of parts of Brum, rather it's on past actions and likely future intelligence.

Ban Muslims and those fuckin stupid Palestine marches instead. Just saying like

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

What does that have to do with anything? WMP and the SAGs decision isn't based on the "integration" of parts of Brum, rather it's on past actions and likely future intelligence.

Well it is really isn't it Dave.

 

[David O'Day]

Well it is really isn't it Dave.

No, I refer you to the link FP posted as to why this has happened.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ban Muslims

The mask has slipped

 

[David O'Day]

Ban Muslims and those fuckin stupid Palestine marches instead. Just saying like

Ban Muslims? All of them? Is the mask slipping a bit there?

 

[fernandopartridge]

100% disagree.

I understand a small bit of Arabic and on more than one occasion in Birmingham and London, I’ve heard the word ‘Yahoud’ be chanted at Pro-Pal demos. No social media, that’s being out and about.

We literally had a Syrian migrant called ‘Jihad’ attacked a synagogue a couple of weeks ago and it’s common place for Jewish schools and places of worship to have amped up security. Jewish people across Europe from the UK, France, Germany, the Netherlands an so on feel more unsafe than at any point in recent history. Why is that?



Just out of curiosity, who do you reckon is more radical: the average working class Israeli or Palestinian?

Which population has stood by practically silently while their leaders pulverize Gaza?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It's hardly a surprise there are more people angry at genocide than interested in attending a football match, FFS.


This is absolutely mental.

There were mass protests against Israel on October 8th 2023 before there was a military response. People should think about that.

Do you think that what Israel has done qualifies as attempted genocide, ethnic cleansing, or both (or neither)?

No, I don’t. Hamas deliberately embeds itself in civilian infrastructure.

It’s not a conventional war (lik Ukraine-Russia) where there is a clear demarcation between military frontlines and civilian, non-combatant areas. Even so, civilian casualties is an ugly feature of war.

This is obviously more of a rhetorical question because none of us are military experts here, but how do you conduct a war in an area like Gaza?

 

[David O'Day]

There were mass protests against Israel on October 8th 2023 before there was a military response. People should think about that.


No, I don’t. Hamas deliberately embeds itself in civilian infrastructure.

It’s not a conventional war (lik Ukraine-Russia) where there is a clear demarcation between military frontlines and civilian, non-combatant areas. Even so, civilian casualties is an ugly feature of war.

This is obviously more of a rhetorical question because none of us are military experts here, but how do you conduct a war in an area like Gaza?

It's Genocide fella, end of really.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

The mask has slipped

What the fuck you on about, basically Jewish people are banned from the game. The local MP wants it.

 

[Grendel]

It's Genocide fella, end of really.

Better tell the government that then

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/09/11/uk-government-rejects-determination-of-israeli-genocide-in-gaza/

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Ban Muslims? All of them? Is the mask slipping a bit there?

See my previous post

 

[Sick Boy]

There were mass protests against Israel on October 8th 2023 before there was a military response. People should think about that.


No, I don’t. Hamas deliberately embeds itself in civilian infrastructure.

It’s not a conventional war (lik Ukraine-Russia) where there is a clear demarcation between military frontlines and civilian, non-combatant areas. Even so, civilian casualties is an ugly feature of war.

This is obviously more of a rhetorical question because none of us are military experts here, but how do you conduct a war in an area like Gaza?

At this point, with your wittering on about multiculturalism in general, conflating anger at Israel committing genocide with supporting Hamas, you clearly have an agenda here and/or have gone down too many Twitter rabbit holes.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Which population has stood by practically silently while their leaders pulverize Gaza?

Polling is unreliable in the West Bank and Gaza, but the data we have suggests there was widespread support for Hamas’ actions on October 7th 2023. 72% polled supported kicking this conflict off. With neighbours like that, the prospects of a peaceful two-state solution is little to none.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/

 

[Sick Boy]

What the fuck you on about, basically Jewish people are banned from the game. The local MP wants it.

I know a Jewish Villa season ticket holder....he hasn't been banned?

 

[David O'Day]

Polling is unreliable in the West Bank and Gaza, but the data we have suggests there was widespread support for Hamas’ actions on October 7th 2023. 72% polled supported kicking this conflict off. With neighbours like that, the prospects of a peaceful two-state solution is little to none.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/

Are you shocked that a population that has seen it's infrastructure levelled and it's neighbour attempt to basically force them from their lands may rightly or wrongly side with anyone who can be seen to oppose that?

 

[rob9872]

I know a Jewish Villa season ticket holder....he hasn't been banned?

I don't care if he's Jewish, Muslim or Christian. He's a Villa fan you c**t!

 

[Grendel]

I know a Jewish Villa season ticket holder....he hasn't been banned?

There was a Jewish student in Birmingham who phoned in to 5 Live and said he will not attend the game as he fears he will be targeted,

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It's Genocide fella, end of really.

Was October 7th 2023 genocide?

 

[David O'Day]

See my previous post

Jewish people aren't banned from Villa Park? The supporters of a team with a history of violence have been.

Are Jewish Villa fans banned?

 

[David O'Day]

Better tell the government that then

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/09/11/uk-government-rejects-determination-of-israeli-genocide-in-gaza/

Remember I said there were many things to be angry at the government but the "chinese spy" case wasn't one?

Well there handling of the genocide in Gaza is one of the things people should be angry about.

 

[Otis]

It's hardly a surprise there are more people angry at genocide than interested in attending a football match, FFS.


This is absolutely mental.

Probably one of the most mental posts ever on SBT.

Batshit crazy central.

 

[rob9872]

Probably one of the most mental posts ever on SBT.

Batshit crazy central.

Nah, I'd say the one he was responding to was much more so