Israel - Palestinian Conflict (11 Viewers)

[TomRad85]

I know you like to blame everything on immigration, but football fans from different countries have been kicking the shit out of each other for decades.

I also have no doubt that a Russian team playing a competitive game in the UK in this environment would probably require a pretty serious security operation, and I’m not sure why you’d claim it wouldn’t?

I doubt the issue is they think they will be attacked by the Villa firm.

 

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[mmttww]

now admitting to being anti semitic

Folks including me are talking to each other about it and listening to what each other has to say. You're not gonna get the bite you want here.

 

[Evo1883]

Why is this an “issue”?

You think more islam is good ?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I know you like to blame everything on immigration, but football fans from different countries have been kicking the shit out of each other for decades.

I also have no doubt that a Russian team playing a competitive game in the UK in this environment would probably require a pretty serious security operation, and I’m not sure why you’d claim it wouldn’t?

You think this decision is about hooliganism?! That is seriously naive. Israeli fans were attacked in Amsterdam with crowds shouting ‘they’re Jews, the IDF’.

The SAG has looked at the demographics of Birmingham, that routinely has Pro-Pal demos and have made a decision they cannot guarantee the safety of Israeli football fans. That is pretty shameful that certain minorities are not protected.

If Russian and/or Ukrainian fans were allowed to travel for sporting events, they wouldn’t be banned for their safety.

 

[SBT]

I doubt the issue is they think they will be attacked by the Villa firm.

No, you’re right - I just think the idea that that European fixtures used to be these happy clappy trouble-free games in the early 2000s just doesn’t hold water.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Elephant in the room is Israel is not in Europe

 

[SBT]

You think more islam is good ?

More extremist Islam is bad if that’s what you mean. I’m not religious so I don’t especially want ‘more’ of any of them tbh, but I don’t see any religion as inherently good or bad.

 

[Dougin]

You think a load of Muslims and a load of Israelis would get on fine and it would pass without incident?

Muslims allowed to the game through?

 

[Evo1883]

More extremist Islam is bad if that’s what you mean. I’m not religious so I don’t especially want ‘more’ of any of them tbh, but I don’t see any religion as inherently good or bad.

I definitely see some religions as less progressive and more backward thinking than others , and in a progressive society i dont want more of it

 

[Ccfcisparks]

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You think more islam is good ?

no, dont think more Judaism is either

 

[Evo1883]

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no, dont think more Judaism is either

There are 2100 jews in birmingham , 75% less than there once was

 

[SBT]

If Russian and/or Ukrainian fans were allowed to travel for sporting events, they wouldn’t be banned for their safety.

They surely would in certain countries. As I’ve said earlier in this thread, I don’t agree with that, but surely some club would ban them for fear of trouble.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

There are 2100 jews in birmingham , 75% less than there once was

Good, hopefully replaced with Christians.

 

[Evo1883]

Good, hopefully replaced with Christians.

Or athiests eh

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Or athiests eh

Not really. We are a Christian country.

 

[Evo1883]

Not really. We are a Christian country.

Less and less each decade .

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Less and less each decade .

Exactly. Shame.

 

[Evo1883]

Exactly. Shame.

Not for me . Maybe for you

 

[Dougin]

Fuck all religion, it’s a fantasy.

 

[SBT]

I definitely see some religions as less progressive and more backward thinking than others , and in a progressive society i dont want more of it

There are extremely un-progressive groups in all religions - Islam, Judaism, Christianity, whatever - but when you’re talking about a minority within a minority then I wouldn’t use their views to say I want ‘more Islam’ or ‘‘less Judaism’ or whatever. And as I say, I don’t believe in any of it anyway.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

There are extremely un-progressive groups in all religions - Islam, Judaism, Christianity, whatever - but when you’re talking about a minority within a minority then I wouldn’t use their views to say I want ‘more Islam’ or ‘‘less Judaism’ or whatever. And as I say, I don’t believe in any of it anyway.

The idea an orthodox jew is progressive is hilarious

 

[ccfc1292]

Generally agree with what you're saying here.

The issue in this instance is obviously that Birmingham is made up of 30% Muslims.

That seems like an absolute tinder box just ready to ignite (from both sides).

Why would the Religion of Peace be the issue in the equation?

 

[mmttww]

Fuck all religion, it’s a fantasy.

if it was this kind of Fantasy, I'd be onboard tbf.

 

[Evo1883]

There are extremely un-progressive groups in all religions - Islam, Judaism, Christianity, whatever - but when you’re talking about a minority within a minority then I wouldn’t use their views to say I want ‘more Islam’ or ‘‘less Judaism’ or whatever. And as I say, I don’t believe in any of it anyway.

Neither do i

 

[Evo1883]

There are extremely un-progressive groups in all religions - Islam, Judaism, Christianity, whatever - but when you’re talking about a minority within a minority then I wouldn’t use their views to say I want ‘more Islam’ or ‘‘less Judaism’ or whatever. And as I say, I don’t believe in any of it anyway.

If we cut to the chase , the reason their fans have been banned is because the local authorities cant guarantee their safety because birmingham has a very large muslim population that will probably be out for blood .

Isnt this the truth ?

 

[Evo1883]

The other question should be why are they competing in european competitions anyway ?

 

[Dougin]

If we cut to the chase , the reason their fans have been banned is because the local authorities cant guarantee their safety because birmingham has a very large muslim popilation that will probably be out for blood .

Isnt this the truth ?

So what happens when more and more of the uk becomes more Muslim, can the Israel fans be banned from all these cities.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

If we cut to the chase , the reason their fans have been banned is because the local authorities cant guarantee their safety because birmingham has a very large muslim population that will probably be out for blood .

Isnt this the truth ?

i must have missed this. are the muslim community in birmingham planning something for before the game?

 

[SBT]

Neither do i

In which case I probably wouldn’t think to ask whether you thought ‘More religious people’ of a certain type was a good thing - unless you had a problem with a particular kind then I assume your answer would be the same each time.

 

[covcity4life]

I'm sure it's just coincidence that so many racists in England "support" Israel in their matchup against Palestine

As for this situation its unfortunate but they wanna s oid violence. Also didn't the Israeli fans cause trouble in Amsterdam aswell?

Plus they shouldn't be allowed in the completion of Russian clubs ain't allowed

 

[Evo1883]

i must have missed this. are the muslim community in birmingham planning something for before the game?

Local MPs had been rallying around the local community stoking tensions

 

[Hiraeth]

Generally agree with what you're saying here.

The issue in this instance is obviously that Birmingham is made up of 30% Muslims.

That seems like an absolute tinder box just ready to ignite (from both sides).

You say that the issue is that Birmingham is made up of 30% Muslims.

I disagree with you, I don't think that is the issue. The local MP is a member of Jeremy Corbyns' 'Independent Alliance' and it feels to me that the MP is stoking up sectarian division for his own ends to make personal political capital out of the situation.

I don't believe that local Muslims are broadly ready to ignite in the manner suggested or threaten other people's safety solely based on their nationality or their religion. The Muslims that I know are not filled with that level of blind hatred and I don't personally believe pandering to any minority within any part of our society that might think in that way is a good idea.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Local MPs had been rallying around the local community stoking tensions

oh so no evidence they’ll be out for blood then

 

[SBT]

If we cut to the chase , the reason their fans have been banned is because the local authorities cant guarantee their safety because birmingham has a very large muslim population that will probably be out for blood .

Isnt this the truth ?

Well yes - that and the fact that the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans also have a track record of racist violence themselves.

As I’ve said earlier in this thread - I personally think it’s wrong to assume the worst in football fans and you should let the police do their job. I wouldn’t assume that Birmingham’s entire Muslim population is “out for blood” either.

 

[Evo1883]

oh so no evidence they’ll be out for blood then

Well if there is no worry about violence then why are they banned and why are other ultra groups not banned from attending games in birmingham .

Im sure you arent that silly