Israel - Palestinian Conflict (19 Viewers)

[SkyBlueDom26]

I've pointed out fans of that football club are well documented for racist behaviour towards players at games (incl. their own) and are on camera, en masse, chanting 'f*ck the Arabs!' when in Amsterdam last year.

Knowing that, I can understand why folks might not want them in Birmingham for the game at Villa Park. I don't know who the MP is. If he was involved in the decision and he's an anti-Semite, then that's pretty f*cking grim.

Constant deflection and excuses, showed yourself to be a right idiot tonight!! Surprised you haven’t resorted to the childish gifs

 

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[pusbccfc]

Not surprised.

Forget what people are saying about Maccabi Tel Aviv fans causing problems, it would be a security nightmare trying to police the protests.

There's aggressive protests up and down the country every week. Imagine dropping Israelis into the mix.

Genuine risk of terrorism.

 

[pusbccfc]

I've pointed out fans of that football club are well documented for racist behaviour towards players at games (incl. their own) and are on camera, en masse, chanting 'f*ck the Arabs!' when in Amsterdam last year.

Knowing that, I can understand why folks might not want them in Birmingham for the game at Villa Park. I don't know who the MP is. If he was involved in the decision and he's an anti-Semite, then that's pretty f*cking grim.

We host racist hooligan/ultra groups every European game week and don't ban them.

 

[nicksar]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/head-of-khan-younis-militia-pleads-for-international-community-to-protect-gazans-against-hamas-executions/

Horrible things being carried out in Gaza by Hamas currently.... loads of fellow Palestinians being slaughtered.

 

[PVA]

Forget what people are saying about Maccabee Tel Aviv fans causing problems, it would be a security nightmare trying to police the protests.

This.

There's a genuine risk of huge public disorder and violence (from both sides), which really doesn't seem worth it for a football match.

 

[mmttww]

Constant deflection and excuses

Not really. I've replied respectfully to posts accusing me of some sh*tty stuff. I'm comfortable with what I've said.

 

[PVA]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/head-of-khan-younis-militia-pleads-for-international-community-to-protect-gazans-against-hamas-executions/

Horrible things being carried out in Gaza by Hamas currently.... loads of fellow Palestinians being slaughtered.

Oh so Israel is suddenly concerned about the welfare of Palestinians and the murder of Palestinians?

This 'article' is absolutely pathetic.

 

[mmttww]

We host racist hooligan/ultra groups every European game week and don't ban them.

and if there was a decision to ban fans of a club that had a similar track record to Maccabi Tel Aviv on safety grounds, I'd get it. Not saying one or both would be the right decision, but I'd get it.

 

[nicksar]

Oh so Israel is suddenly concerned about the welfare of Palestinians and the murder of Palestinians?

This 'article' is absolutely pathetic.

Maybe pathetic in your opinion mate but do a bit of research and you will see it's true (plenty of Videos on YouTube).For clarity I'm very hopeful that a peace deal can be made between all concerned

 

[pusbccfc]

and if there was a decision to ban fans of a club that had a similar track record to Maccabi Tel Aviv on safety grounds, I'd get it. Not saying one or both would be the right decision, but I'd get it.

There are clubs that visit English football teams with far worse history of hooliganism.

We allowed a limited allocation of 800 Legia Warsaw fans visit Chelsea this year despite causing major disorder at Villa and Leicester in the past 5 years.

 

[PVA]

Frankfurt fans have been banned from travelling to Napoli for the same round of fixtures as this Villa game

Ajax fans were banned from Marseille earlier this season.

So clearly this is not some unprecedented decision - it's already happened twice this season.

It's obviously done on safety grounds and the notion it's some anti-semitic statement is silly.

 

[PVA]

Maybe pathetic in your opinion mate but do a bit of research and you will see it's true (plenty of. Videos on YouTube).for clarity I'm very hopeful that a peace deal can be made between all concerned

I don't know if it's true or not, that's not the point.

The point is it's pretty horrific to see Israel now pretending to care about the fate of Palestinians after they've just murdered 70,000 of them.

 

[mmttww]

There are clubs that visit English football teams with far worse history of hooliganism.

Not arguing with you. Easy for us to argue points of principle on here, though. Another thing to be the poor f*cks on Villa's SAG who instead of planning for a football match have to figure out how to deal with and police a political, racial and religious powder keg.

 

[pusbccfc]

Frankfurt fans have been banned from travelling to Napoli for the same round of fixtures as this Villa game

Ajax fans were banned from Marseille earlier this season.

So clearly this is not some unprecedented decision - it's already happened twice this season.

It's obviously done on safety grounds and the notion it's some anti-semitic statement is nonsense.

It sets a precedent. Will we ban all clubs with ultra/hooligan groups?

 

[PVA]

It sets a precedent. Will we ban all clubs with ultra/hooligan groups?

I highly doubt it, as you said earlier there will be mass protests which are liable to kick off big time. It's a pretty specific set of circumstances.

 

[pusbccfc]

Not arguing with you. Easy for us to argue points of principle on here, though. Another thing to be the poor f*cks on Villa's SAG who instead of planning for a football match have to figure out how to deal with and police a political, racial and religious powder keg.

I fully agree. It's a security nightmare.

 

[pusbccfc]

I highly doubt it, as you said earlier there will be mass protests which are liable to kick off big time. It's a pretty specific set of circumstances.

Yeah definitely.

It's complicated because Villa are admitting our own security/police forces can't keep away fans safe.

 

[pusbccfc]

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Dick

 

[SBT]

Who sits on the SAG that made the decision?

Clearly if they didn’t have a reputation for violence then they wouldn’t have been banned, but I think it’s bullshit to just straight up ban any team’s fans from a game, and if you haven’t exhausted all options in terms of policing then you’ll inevitably open yourself up to accusations that something more sinister is behind it.

Football fans shouldn’t be treated as criminals by default, surely people on this forum have experienced enough bullshit during their own travels to know this.

 

[mmttww]

Dick

If you're the leader of the country it isn't a great look to throw people under the bus on X. If he's talked to them, offered to support policing of the game and to stand with them to do all that can be done to have it pass as peacefully as possible, and to take some accountability if it doesn't, I'd get it. Haven't seen anything to suggest that's what he's done. Not great.

 

[mmttww]

if you haven’t exhausted all options in terms of policing then you’ll inevitably open yourself up to accusations that something more sinister is behind it.

this feels like the crux of it. I haven't seen the SAG statement or explanation of the decision, so I don't know to what extent they have or haven't done all that they realistically can to find a way of making it work.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Correct.

Some on here have a blinkered view on what's been happening at football games in the Netherlands.

Has anything else happened in the Netherlands? I’m only aware of the one incident.

One thing I’ve observed on social media is that many of the Pro-Pal people have v little to say about Hamas executing political enemies in the streets this week*.

*Or ethnic of the Uighurs in China… or massacres of Christians in the Middle East and Nigeria.

 

[Captain Dart]

Israel should be banned from all international sporting and media events.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Israel should be banned from all international sporting and media events.

Should Palestine be banned too?

 

[PVA]

Who sits on the SAG that made the decision?

Clearly if they didn’t have a reputation for violence then they wouldn’t have been banned, but I think it’s bullshit to just straight up ban any team’s fans from a game, and if you haven’t exhausted all options in terms of policing then you’ll inevitably open yourself up to accusations that something more sinister is behind it.

Football fans shouldn’t be treated as criminals by default, surely people on this forum have experienced enough bullshit during their own travels to know this.

Generally agree with what you're saying here.

The issue in this instance is obviously that Birmingham is made up of 30% Muslims.

That seems like an absolute tinder box just ready to ignite (from both sides).

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Generally agree with what you're saying here.

The issue in this instance is obviously that Birmingham is made up of 30% Muslims.

That seems like an absolute tinder box just ready to ignite (from both sides).

The pertinent question is why is it a tinder box ready to ignite? They’re football fans going to a game, not the actual IDF.

Why this episode is so shameful is because it’s yet another example of sectarianism creeping into our society. We’ve brought this upon ourselves with mass migration. This wouldn’t have happened 10-20 years ago.

If a Ukrainian football team (or Russian) were travelling to the UK, we wouldn’t be banning their fans over ‘safety concerns’.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Dick

Fuck off you clown, he’s right. Or do you not agree with the fact he has said anti semetism shouldn’t be on our streets? Only dick is yourself

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Israel should be banned from all international sporting and media events.

Captain Fart has spoken everyone

 

[Dougin]

Generally agree with what you're saying here.

The issue in this instance is obviously that Birmingham is made up of 30% Muslims.

That seems like an absolute tinder box just ready to ignite (from both sides).

I thought Muslims weren’t a problem?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Not really. I've replied respectfully to posts accusing me of some sh*tty stuff. I'm comfortable with what I've said.

First supporting Palestine action and now admitting to being anti semitic, embarrassment

 

[SBT]

Why this episode is so shameful is because it’s yet another example of sectarianism creeping into our society. We’ve brought this upon ourselves with mass migration. This wouldn’t have happened 10-20 years ago.

If a Ukrainian football team (or Russian) were travelling to the UK, we wouldn’t be banning their fans over ‘safety concerns’.

I know you like to blame everything on immigration, but football fans from different countries have been kicking the shit out of each other for decades.

I also have no doubt that a Russian team playing a competitive game in the UK in this environment would probably require a pretty serious security operation, and I’m not sure why you’d claim it wouldn’t?

 

[PVA]

I thought Muslims weren’t a problem?

You think a load of Muslims and a load of Israelis would get on fine and it would pass without incident?

 

[Evo1883]

Its odd that we now find oursleves in a situation where muslims dictate who can and cant go into an area of a city to support their football team because thats whats actually happened here .. in the uk

 

[SBT]

The issue in this instance is obviously that Birmingham is made up of 30% Muslims.

Why is this an “issue”?