Sick Boy
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Despite what some of the Starmer sycophants have claimed on here — UK sent Israel thousands of military items despite export ban, study finds
Some planes got a paint job? Oh so you think that’s acceptable then on our own military sites. Get a grip there’s no links between the 2Gaza: Dozens killed by Israeli gunfire near aid distribution sites, Hamas-run ministry says
More than 100 others were also injured near two sites run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, according to the Hamas-run health ministry and civil defence agency.www.bbc.co.uk
while pensioners are being arrested for protesting against this sh*t. If you accept folks being arrested on terrorism charges because some planes got a paint job, while folks queuing for food are being used for target practice , ashamed I'm a fan of the same football club as you. How bad does it have to get?
And it seems to me that Keir lived his lifeDespite what some of the Starmer sycophants have claimed on here — UK sent Israel thousands of military items despite export ban, study finds
Gaza: Dozens killed by Israeli gunfire near aid distribution sites, Hamas-run ministry says
More than 100 others were also injured near two sites run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, according to the Hamas-run health ministry and civil defence agency.www.bbc.co.uk
while pensioners are being arrested for protesting against this sh*t. If you accept folks being arrested on terrorism charges because some planes got a paint job, while folks queuing for food are being used for target practice , ashamed I'm a fan of the same football club as you. How bad does it have to get?
Despite what some of the Starmer sycophants have claimed on here — UK sent Israel thousands of military items despite export ban, study finds
Despite what some of the Starmer sycophants have claimed on here — UK sent Israel thousands of military items despite export ban, study finds
Yeah I'm sure it's the city fans bombing innocent people.
Save your fake dramatics for wasps. Are you actually going to city games wondering which other fans you're ashamed of?
Interestingly my trip back to the airport this afternoon was delayed by these protests. Equally interesting how nobody got arrested for a peaceful protest
The Irish government hasn't proscribed what is clearly a peaceful protest movement as terrorists you meanIts almost like they weren’t protesting by intentionally breaking laws in front of police to try and get arrested.
And actually recognises Palestine.The Irish government hasn't proscribed what is clearly a peaceful protest movement as terrorists you mean
Have you read the article? There’s no evidence they’re breaking sanctions. It’s all assumptions by three activist groups who if it wasn’t true wouldn’t have much to do here.
Israel have a $50bn defence budget. This is like 1% of their spend even if it was what they say it’s hardly the show stopper to the genocide is it?
The idea that you can impact Gaza by attacking Kier Starmer must sound really nice but it’s not based in reality is it?
Yes, I have. Unlike you I don’t blindly trust the government, especially as it’s more than happy to cosy up to Israel.Have you read the report?
Yes, I have. Unlike you I don’t blindly trust the government, especially as it’s more than happy to cosy up to Israel.
There should be a total arms embargo, which there clearly isn’t.So what in the report do you find so outrageous?
There should be a total arms embargo, which there clearly isn’t.
We’ve already had claims that it’s only 1% of the Israeli budget so it’s not a big deal - do you agree with that?
There should be a total arms embargo, which there clearly isn’t.
We’ve already had claims that it’s only 1% of the Israeli budget so it’s not a big deal - do you agree with that?
I’m just highlighting your ongoing hypocrisy.Sick Boy doesn’t trust the government but does trust people entirely dedicated to activism. Sick Boy might want to have not missed KS3 ICT at school.
You might want to have not missed KS2 reading comprehension.Has anyone claimed there’s a total arms embargo?
You might want to have not missed KS2 reading comprehension.
I’m just highlighting your ongoing hypocrisy.
It’s not a left wing government ffs and you’re most certainly not left wing either. Where I’m based has no relevance- if it does then maybe you should stick to the local news in Bedworth.What hypocrisy is that? That I both think what’s happening in Gaza is a disgrace and that protesting the Labour government in the UK about it is pointless and purely performative? Not only that it’s actively counterproductive as the alternative to a Labour government is on record as being 100% pro genocide and a record of outright racism against brown people.
I actually think it’s pretty fucking sick to spend your days claiming to be left wing while making up nonsense about the only left wing government we’re likely to get because it’s some game to you sat in Italy.
Nah, being on the right side of history matters. In the more distant future people will not care about alliances, they will look at what Israel did and see that we and others couldn’t be arsed to even call it a war crime, much less put up a fuss.What hypocrisy is that? That I both think what’s happening in Gaza is a disgrace and that protesting the Labour government in the UK about it is pointless and purely performative? Not only that it’s actively counterproductive as the alternative to a Labour government is on record as being 100% pro genocide and a record of outright racism against brown people.
I actually think it’s pretty fucking sick to spend your days claiming to be left wing while making up nonsense about the only left wing government we’re likely to get because it’s some game to you sat in Italy.
Said it already. Starmer needs to take a stance or this will be his gulf war and he’ll be left with the same animosity that Blair gets as the UK population wakes up to the reality and extent of what we’ve been involved in. You can’t fool all the people all of the time when the facts aren’t on your side.
Depends how many people Israel end up killing, but I think your gut feeling is right.I'm not sure about this.
Iraq was different because British soldiers were dying for it.
The majority of the UK population doesn't really care about Gaza, sadly. It's very much a side issue to most and in 5, 10, 20 years or whatever I don't think it'll be something the average Brit cares about or even remembers. (and I'm not saying that's right, before the usual suspects jump all over me).
I never said that the details were the same, I’m pointing out that continued support by the British government by way of arms supply will reflect negatively upon the sitting PM who allowed that to continue. The longer the invasion of Gaza is allowed to continue the more facts of atrocities by Israel will come out that will reflect Israel in a worse and worse light the more public perception will change and it is changing.I'm not sure about this.
Iraq was different because British soldiers were dying for it.
The majority of the UK population doesn't really care about Gaza, sadly. It's very much a side issue to most and in 5, 10, 20 years or whatever I don't think it'll be something the average Brit cares about or even remembers. (and I'm not saying that's right, before the usual suspects jump all over me).
I never said that the details were the same, I’m pointing out that continued support by the British government by way of arms supply will reflect negatively upon the sitting PM who allowed that to continue. The longer the invasion of Gaza is allowed to continue the more facts of atrocities by Israel will come out that will reflect Israel in a worse and worse light the more public perception will change and it is changing.
You’re also wrong about the majority of the British population not caring about Gaza. Any polling on the subject shows we do regardless of how the question is posed from are Israel committing genocide, should we have a full arms embargo on Israel to just outright opposing the war. Which is exactly why Starmer will be viewed as a war criminal by generations if he continues to allow us to support Israel with any form of military assistance.
It’s not too late for Starmer, diplomacy has failed, Israel isn’t listening to it’s traditional allies especially in Europe where opinions are already far stronger against Isreal than they are here and governments have had to take far more serious decisions regarding arms sales. They’re already choosing to be on the right side of history,Starmer has a very limited period to catch up if he chooses. If he doesn’t it will be a very big nail in his political coffin and reflect upon public opinion of him for life same as it has with Blair. And let’s not forget that Blair’s backdrop is the longest period of growth in UK history, he successfully negotiated peace in Northern Ireland etc, GW2 aside he was largely a successful PM who achieved some positive milestones, certainly by modern standards. Starmer is unlikely to ever have that backdrop simply because the world is in such a mess right now which is not an ingredient to forging success, he’s in a damage limitation government at best and is messing that up on the home front on a regular basis (although no where near as bad as the previous government).
If you're looking at polling numbers on this you need to look at the responses from people who voted Labour in the last election and they are not good for Starmer. The next question should be how will that impact on people's willingness to vote labour at the next election.You’re also wrong about the majority of the British population not caring about Gaza. Any polling on the subject shows we do regardless of how the question is posed from are Israel committing genocide, should we have a full arms embargo on Israel to just outright opposing the war. Which is exactly why Starmer will be viewed as a war criminal by generations if he continues to allow us to support Israel with any form of military assistance.
There's some on YouGov, very quick google would seem to suggest most polls showing roughly the same results and support for Israel rapidly decreasingPolling where?
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