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Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 8:34 PM
  • #4,936
Ian1779 said:
I accept that - but terrorism it most definitely is not.
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Not you right to say that is it?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Yesterday at 8:42 PM
  • #4,937
Grendel said:
Well I disagree and it seems you are defending an organisation which is a Palestine group who are trying to usurp democracy

If you think Palestine Action is not a terrorist group and keep defending it that’s going to put you as a supporter of a terrorist group.

Good luck
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It doesn't appear to fit with any of the CPS definitions of terrorism.

Terrorism | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 8:47 PM
  • #4,938
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It doesn't appear to fit with any of the CPS definitions of terrorism.

Terrorism | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk
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Not up to you to decide - is it? You support these people then?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Yesterday at 8:50 PM
  • #4,939
Grendel said:
You support these people then?
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Ah yes, that's how it works. Look at the definitions and give your honest opinion, does spraying two planes with fire extinguishers fit any of them?
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 9:01 PM
  • #4,940
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Ah yes, that's how it works. Look at the definitions and give your honest opinion, does spraying two planes with fire extinguishers fit any of them?
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It’s a military establishment - any country would consider that an action against the government
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Yesterday at 9:03 PM
  • #4,941
Grendel said:
It’s a military establishment - any country would consider that an action against the government
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Goalpost moving as per
 

Ian1779

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  • Yesterday at 9:10 PM
  • #4,942
Grendel said:
Not you right to say that is it?
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I mean you’re not wrong to be fair.

I wouldn’t expect Starmer or Cooper to follow anything written in law for example.

Like most of our policy decisions in the Middle East, they will simply take the lead from whichever ‘lobbying interest’ insists on a course of action.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Yesterday at 9:11 PM
  • #4,943
Anyone else remember the aircraft spotters who got arrested in Greece for taking photos near an airbase?

BBC News | UK | Greek tragedy for jailed plane-spotters
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Yesterday at 9:40 PM
  • #4,944

Trump’s strike on Iran has exposed Britain’s enemy within

The dividing line between the West and those who mean us harm has never been clearer
www.telegraph.co.uk
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Yesterday at 9:43 PM
  • #4,945
SIR ERNIE said:

Trump’s strike on Iran has exposed Britain’s enemy within

The dividing line between the West and those who mean us harm has never been clearer
www.telegraph.co.uk
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How times change.

Blair’s Iraq invasion was a tragic error, and he’s mad to deny it

We cannot make the case for engagement unless we are honest about our failures
www.telegraph.co.uk
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 9:49 PM
  • #4,946
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Goalpost moving as per
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No it’s a massive issue and has to be severely punished - I would define it as a terrorist act yes and looking at the news a lot of this group seem worried and hopefully will they will start to grow up and behave
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Yesterday at 9:57 PM
  • #4,947
Grendel said:
No it’s a massive issue and has to be severely punished - I would define it as a terrorist act yes and looking at the news a lot of this group seem worried and hopefully will they will start to grow up and behave
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Which of the CPS definitions has it met in your view?
 

mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 10:08 PM
  • #4,948
Grendel said:
hopefully will they will start to grow up and behave
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Don't expect it's easy to watch your people being blasted to pieces and starved. Hardly a shock that a group would try a stunt like this even if it's just to try and keep Gaza in the news cycle. What would the grown up approach be?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Yesterday at 10:20 PM
  • #4,949
Grendel said:
No it’s a massive issue and has to be severely punished - I would define it as a terrorist act yes and looking at the news a lot of this group seem worried and hopefully will they will start to grow up and behave
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The message is loud and clear. You have no right to protest decisions of the government. Just Stop Oil, Palestine Action. Who's next?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Yesterday at 10:22 PM
  • #4,950
Grendel said:
Not up to you to decide - is it? You support these people then?
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Well Netanyahu has an international arrest warrant on him for crimes against humanity and war crimes, so you support a war criminal?
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 10:29 PM
  • #4,951
Grendel said:
If you think Palestine Action is not a terrorist group and keep defending it that’s going to put you as a supporter of a terrorist group.

Good luck
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Are you going to alert the authorities? They have a backlog of forum-related cases at the moment just fyi
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Yesterday at 10:36 PM
  • #4,952
SBT said:
Are you going to alert the authorities? They have a backlog of forum-related cases at the moment just fyi
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I’m third in line after you and that guy who voted for the 16/17 shirt in the kit contest
 
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xcraigx

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  • Yesterday at 11:10 PM
  • #4,953
According to Trump, Iran and Israel will begin a ceasefire in around 6 hours.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:34 PM
  • #4,954
Seen more outrage about the spraying of some planes than any of the action against Ukraine
 
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tisza

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  • Today at 12:12 AM
  • #4,955
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Ah yes, that's how it works. Look at the definitions and give your honest opinion, does spraying two planes with fire extinguishers fit any of them?
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Palestinian Action also said they had damaged the engines with crowbars. Various news sources stating the damage could be between 30&55 million pounds. That would seem to fit the serious damage to property and arguable endangering the lives of this flying or travelling in the planes.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Today at 12:19 AM
  • #4,956
David O'Day said:
What on earth do people think is going to happen to groups that break into military bases and vandalise planes?
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I expect them to be arrested, charged and prosecuted under the laws of the land that have been perfectly adequate for decades. Don't see any need to declare protests terrorist activity.
 
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tisza

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  • Today at 12:30 AM
  • #4,957
xcraigx said:
According to Trump, Iran and Israel will begin a ceasefire in around 6 hours.
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Says he doesn't think "they'll be shooting at each other ever again". Delusional.
 

fatso

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  • Today at 5:49 AM
  • #4,958
For anyone who thinks Americas strike on Iran was just an act of a mad man, think again, it was always their agenda.
https://www.facebook.com/
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 6:23 AM
  • #4,959
fatso said:
For anyone who thinks Americas strike on Iran was just an act of a mad man, think again, it was always their agenda.
https://www.facebook.com/
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"An out-of-context clip from a 2008 interview with then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is circulating on Facebook. It shows her saying the U.S. “will attack Iran” if she becomes president.

But she was responding to a question about a hypothetical nuclear attack by Iran on Israel."
 
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tisza

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  • Today at 9:10 AM
  • #4,960
Ceasefire seems to have managed to last just a few hours. Israel says Iran has launched missiles and will respond.
 
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duffer

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  • Today at 9:43 AM
  • #4,961
I've no time for either Iran or Israel, at least in terms of their governments.

I think what the American action confirms though, as if we didn't know it already, is that the idea of some kind of international rules-based order is ancient history.

I somehow doubt that this will lead to less countries wanting nuclear weapons.

Nothing about this whole shit show, provoked primarily to keep one man, Netanyahu, in power, makes the world safer. Entirely the opposite, in fact.
 
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Briles

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  • Today at 9:53 AM
  • #4,962
America Bombing Iran and Iran slapping back is like when you play fought with your little brother and accidently went too far and hurt him, so you give him a free hit knowing full well it wont hurt and that he wont tell your parents. (Who are Chinese and Russian)
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Today at 10:05 AM
  • #4,963
duffer said:
I've no time for either Iran or Israel, at least in terms of their governments.

I think what the American action confirms though, as if we didn't know it already, is that the idea of some kind of international rules-based order is ancient history.

I somehow doubt that this will lead to less countries wanting nuclear weapons.

Nothing about this whole shit show, provoked primarily to keep one man, Netanyahu, in power, makes the world safer. Entirely the opposite, in fact.
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Sooner he’s out and there’s also regime change in Iran the better. Still hoping we can stay out of the mess over there though
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Today at 10:14 AM
  • #4,964
Trump made to look a fool #43,234
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 10:21 AM
  • #4,965
Sick Boy said:
Trump made to look a fool #43,234
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Don't think world leaders actually respect him much. Iran, Israel, Russia, China all seem to think they can string him along without making changes Trump "asks" for. He's still the antithesis for most EU Govts.

most African countries still going to lean towards Russia and/or China because those 2 aren't concerned about how the leadership got into power or hold onto it. They'll buy influence where they can.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 10:38 AM
  • #4,966
CCFCSteve said:
Sooner he’s out and there’s also regime change in Iran the better. Still hoping we can stay out of the mess over there though
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The issue in Iran is that there is no obvious regime waiting in the wings to replace the current one. The last democratically elected leader was couped by the West 70 years ago.
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 10:47 AM
  • #4,967
Iran denies firing any missiles after the ceasefire.

So one of them is lying. Israel if I had to guess.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Today at 10:58 AM
  • #4,968
chiefdave said:
I expect them to be arrested, charged and prosecuted under the laws of the land that have been perfectly adequate for decades. Don't see any need to declare protests terrorist activity.
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Typical politicians trick bring in a new but essentially pointless offense that is already covered by existing law to prove they are doing something.
 
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SBT

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  • 3 minutes ago
  • #4,969
Truly desperate stuff from Trump here

 

fernandopartridge

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  • 1 minute ago
  • #4,970
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Oh dear Iran breaking the ceasefire, surprised that some on here aren’t backing Iran yet
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No, Israel has said they did which Iran has denied.
 
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