Israel - Palestinian Conflict (4 Viewers)

[SBT]

And just because it’s under terrorism legislation doesn’t mean it’s calling them terrorists.

??? The group has been proscribed as a terror organisation.

 

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[shmmeee]

??? The group has been proscribed as a terror organisation.

Ah fair.

Reading it serious destruction of property counts as well which I’m a little surprised about but terrorism is a term that just means stuff the government really doesn’t like so

 

[PVA]

Also worth pointing out they don't have to actually carry out any of the specific terrorist activities to be classed as a terrorist activity.

Just threatening one of them is still an offence. Maybe that's where they're being done.

 

[mmttww]

Do we have to consider the possibility that Israel has moved on Iran to keep Gaza out of the spotlight so they can crack on with whatever while it's out of the news cycle?

 

[shmmeee]

Also worth pointing out they don't have to actually carry out any of the specific terrorist activities to be classed as a terrorist activity.

Just threatening one of them is still an offence. Maybe that's where they're being done.

They did by the law carry out terrorist activity though. As do any direct action group. Property damage with the aim to change government policy counts it seems. Terrorism law is a very stupid law.

 

[chiefdave]

This was always the concern when the terror laws were changing. I can remember people protesting it and being told they were clueless, there was no way these powers would be used to ban protests and the like, it would only be used for genuine terrorist threats.

I've not seen anyone say they have an issue with these particular protesters having the book thrown at them, the issue people have is an entire group being labelled a terrorist organisation.

 

[tisza]

This was always the concern when the terror laws were changing. I can remember people protesting it and being told they were clueless, there was no way these powers would be used to ban protests and the like, it would only be used for genuine terrorist threats.

I've not seen anyone say they have an issue with these particular protesters having the book thrown at them, the issue people have is an entire group being labelled a terrorist organisation.

You can extend this to some of the freedom of expression legislation that has seen authorities go too far.

 

[Grendel]

This was always the concern when the terror laws were changing. I can remember people protesting it and being told they were clueless, there was no way these powers would be used to ban protests and the like, it would only be used for genuine terrorist threats.

I've not seen anyone say they have an issue with these particular protesters having the book thrown at them, the issue people have is an entire group being labelled a terrorist organisation.

I think the majority of the UK would not have an issue with a group whose sole aim is to attack military and munitions manufacturers as being classes as terrorists

 

[Nick]

Are people only thinking they are goodies because it says Palestine in the name? Same as when somebody says George Floyd they got a free pass for some

 

[shmmeee]

This was always the concern when the terror laws were changing. I can remember people protesting it and being told they were clueless, there was no way these powers would be used to ban protests and the like, it would only be used for genuine terrorist threats.

I've not seen anyone say they have an issue with these particular protesters having the book thrown at them, the issue people have is an entire group being labelled a terrorist organisation.

They’re a direct action group, hence the name. Same as XR or JSO. That seems to be the difference. It’s not protests it’s targeted criminal damage.

 

[chiefdave]

They’re a direct action group, hence the name. Same as XR or JSO. That seems to be the difference. It’s not protests it’s targeted criminal damage.

And we've had that for decades and managed to cope without declaring everyone involved and anyone who says anything to suggest they might support the action a terrorist.

 

[shmmeee]

And we've had that for decades and managed to cope without declaring everyone involved and anyone who says anything to suggest they might support the action a terrorist.

We had weirdos blowing themselves and others up for ages before the Terrorism Act but here we are. It’s always been pretty poor legislation because it just means whatever the last people to change it didn’t like. And the last lot really didn’t like JSO and XR. Equally having spoken to XR activists they all went in knowing they were breaking the law and could be arrested, that was kind of the entire point.

 

[tisza]

And we've had that for decades and managed to cope without declaring everyone involved and anyone who says anything to suggest they might support the action a terrorist.

There's nothing stopping members moving to other groups with the same stated end goals but don't advocate direct action/breaking the law. Their right to protest isn't being removed - just the methods