Is AFC / Phoenix a step closer ?

[Houdi]

Has it not been confirmed that ccfc will never play in Coventry again?

Well Tim Fisher the CEO of CCFC has confirmed it, mind you he has been known to be economical with the actualite.. Sandra Garlick is presently busily promoting a new stadium outside Coventry.

 

[stupot07]

Are there any serious people doing anything about this?. I would guess a lot of people would support and with the now seemingly permanent absence of CCFC from Coventry, I don't understand the commentators saying "only if there is no chance of a return" Surely now is the time? given there is no chance of a Coventry return.

What did the people of Wimbledon have that we as fans don't? Was it that they were just more organised?

What did Wimbledon fans that we don't?

They had a statement from the FA confirming that the club was moving permanently to MK.


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[SIR ERNIE]

Unless anyone knows different, Trust position is they'll only do afc if ccfc is liquidated.

Some of us kcic-ers looked at this pre christmas and very quickly realised starting a new club is a huge undertaking and completely impossible for 2014/15. Plus, support for a new club is growing but is still relatively small. In wanting to do something about football in Coventry we looked at different options and ended up with the sponsorship of Coventry Sphinx (see http://keepcovincov.weebly.com/kcic-supporting-football-in-cov---with-coventry-sphinx.html). Sphinx is now the senior team in Coventry, grew out of the car industry in the 1940s and is very much part of the City's heritage. It's not everyone's cup of tea but well worth a visit just to see what you think.

Michael I don't understand why people are not recognising that Sphinx could be the future. Yes we all want CCFC back home but the fact is that as every day goes by that is looking less likely. My opinion now is that it will never happen. The fans have no control over that and we need to somehow gain control to ensure the Coventry has a football team. There is nothing to lose by Sphinx being encouraged by the fans to agree a short term trial tenancy of the Ricoh from next season. They're 4 tiers below the FL. See how it goes, see what support is generated, and I reckon as things get worse still for CCFC under SISUs ownership, the fans will recognise that Sphinx is the future. If the support doesn't materialise they go back to Sphinx Drive. No damage done.

 

[stupot07]

You are supporting an AFC team - the old club is dead and being liquidated.

Be careful, you're not supporting the CCFC that won the FA Cup but an asset stripped start-up under the name 'Otium'. Branding rights and the Football League have made it so.

Given that Ltd had the golden share, we hadn't support the ccfc that won the FA cup since 1995.


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[TurkeyTrot]

Michael I don't understand why people are not recognising that Sphinx could be the future. Yes we all want CCFC back home but the fact is that as every day goes by that is looking less likely. My opinion now is that it will never happen. The fans have no control over that and we need to somehow gain control to ensure the Coventry has a football team. There is nothing to lose by Sphinx being encouraged by the fans to agree a short term trial tenancy of the Ricoh from next season. They're 4 tiers below the FL. See how it goes, see what support is generated, and I reckon as things get worse still for CCFC under SISUs ownership, the fans will recognise that Sphinx is the future. If the support doesn't materialise they go back to Sphinx Drive. No damage done.

It's not as easy as that though is it. A team like the Sphinx would need extra financial support and bodies for match days etc, probably a new internal structure to cope with the potential for extra resources. Then to send them back to Sphinx drive if it didn't work out leaving them holding the baby would be wrong.
Also for me, I would only support a team that grew out of the ashes of CCFC, a new Phoenix team if you like. Teams that already exist in Coventry already exist, I couldn't see a link between them and a reborn CCFC.
Torchy would rather support Aston Villa if he drew them out of a hat rather than a team in Coventry or a Phoenix club. Others wouldn't support any team while there is something left of CCFC.

 

[Specs WT-R75]

Me personally I wouldn't support a pheonix or other club in the city even if CCFC didn't return went bust etc.

However, that is not to say that a pheonix club should not be formed. Whilst that club would hold no affinity for me, you would like to hope that eventually the kids of Coventry would support their team as we have supported ours ... and as such that bond could be formed for them.

Just my own personal feelings on the matter.

 

[magic82ball]

Well, it wouldn't be any worse or better than supporting an AFC team that meant nothing to me.

What drove you to support CCFC in the first place though? Was it not that they were representing the City from which you were born or grew up? A team that gives you an identity very much for the same reason you support England?

How could supporting Villa or any other team you drew out the hat be the same as supporting your home town team should CCFC cease to exist?

 

[Spionkop]

Can't see ACL letting the pitch go to waste next season.
Ernie makes a lot of sense.
No harm in contingency plan.
I'd imagine Sphinx would be delighted to play at the Ricoh.
And I'd imagine there would be at least 1,000 people ready to support them initially.
This would give them a firm footing at that level.
Sure it's a touchy subject, but some realism has to come into it.
Sphinx -rising from the ashes.
It does need a figurehead though.
Turkey makes valid points too, but hesitating now will cost another lost season. Fudging over a name is way too cautious.
I read so many now on here who feel CCFC are not coming back and hate the idea of a poxy little ground way out of the city.
And there seems to be a change of mood about a phoenix club amongst some posters.
Well, how long are you prepared to wait?
It looks like we'll be tied up in courts for years.
The Judicial Review doesn't even seem to be the 'real' JR, just a preliminary hearing. That'll drag on.
It is a thorny and emotional subject I know. Don't get me wrong - I want CCFC back at the Ricoh next game. I've supported them since 1959 with a passion.
But realism has to come into it at some point.
And wouldn't another team playing at the Ricoh shake Sisu up?

 

[torchomatic]

Was born in Warwickshire not Coventry. My Dad was born in Cov and has been going since 1952. He took me on my seventh birthday and at 48 I'm still going. Similarly I take my son who first attended a game at three. He also isn't born in Coventry. Things aren't as cut and dried and as black as white as a lot on here try to make out.

I support CCFC, not CCAFC or AFCCC or any other variation. If the team who I have supported for 41 years doesn't exist then I won't support anyone. Which is why I gave the example of picking a name out of a hat.

One other thing, I dislike international football so have never been interested in England.

What drove you to support CCFC in the first place though? Was it not that they were representing the City from which you were born or grew up? A team that gives you an identity very much for the same reason you support England?

How could supporting Villa or any other team you drew out the hat be the same as supporting your home town team should CCFC cease to exist?

 

[The Prefect]

Given that Ltd had the golden share, we hadn't support the ccfc that won the FA cup since 1995.

I understood that the Club that won the FA Cup became Coventry City Football Club (Holdings) Ltd - which owned 100% of CCFC Ltd. So the ultimate business was the same.

They were certainly closer than a new company called Otium Entertainments are to being the 'football club'.

 

[TurkeyTrot]

Can't see ACL letting the pitch go to waste next season.
Ernie makes a lot of sense.
No harm in contingency plan.
I'd imagine Sphinx would be delighted to play at the Ricoh.
And I'd imagine there would be at least 1,000 people ready to support them initially.
This would give them a firm footing at that level.
Sure it's a touchy subject, but some realism has to come into it.
Sphinx -rising from the ashes.
It does need a figurehead though.
Turkey makes valid points too, but hesitating now will cost another lost season. Fudging over a name is way too cautious.
I read so many now on here who feel CCFC are not coming back and hate the idea of a poxy little ground way out of the city.
And there seems to be a change of mood about a phoenix club amongst some posters.
Well, how long are you prepared to wait?
It looks like we'll be tied up in courts for years.
The Judicial Review doesn't even seem to be the 'real' JR, just a preliminary hearing. That'll drag on.
It is a thorny and emotional subject I know. Don't get me wrong - I want CCFC back at the Ricoh next game. I've supported them since 1959 with a passion.
But realism has to come into it at some point.
And wouldn't another team playing at the Ricoh shake Sisu up?

It certainly would shake them up and those fans who would like to see SISU rattled would love it (me included) but with something as important as this you need to think with your head and not your heart. Just say it did take off and then SISU won the JR. Would we then see court cases against Sphinx with massive legal bills for them too to get them out the Ricoh? I really don't think that deep down many City fans want this situation or SISU at the helm of our club but fans view things differently. Morals have been spouted about recently. We all love to take the moral high ground but isn't just supporting the team and leaving the politics to the politicians a moral stance in its own right. I really do fear for the future of CCFC. You only have to look at the amount of litigation (allegedly) being issued to different parties to tell you something isn't right. But not only that, how will this affect Coventry fans in years to come once this is all over? People that I called friends and still do have been split by this, and we can point the finger at whoever we want it still doesn't change anything. The damage done to us fans may last for years. I think we are a step closer to a Phoenix club but what that will look like is anyone's guess.

 

[Spionkop]

Turkey, can you remind me of the date of the JR?
What you say about them winning and implications of that is a serious concern. Maybe someone with a legal background could wade in here?
But then again, we have it in print - from Mr Fisher himself. They left the Ricoh (and owing rent). They moved on and wouldn't be returning.
Present a judge with that & they don't have a leg to stand on.

 

[dadgad]

A Phoenix club, small beginnings, could work if original club has died.
As its half dead anyway this legal nonsense only brings it a step closer.

 

[magic82ball]

Was born in Warwickshire not Coventry. My Dad was born in Cov and has been going since 1952. He took me on my seventh birthday and at 48 I'm still going. Similarly I take my son who first attended a game at three. He also isn't born in Coventry. Things aren't as cut and dried and as black as white as a lot on here try to make out.

I support CCFC, not CCAFC or AFCCC or any other variation. If the team who I have supported for 41 years doesn't exist then I won't support anyone. Which is why I gave the example of picking a name out of a hat.

One other thing, I dislike international football so have never been interested in England.

Fair enough, it explains your stance well I guess.

I too am not from Coventry. I live in Essex and have done all my life. I have family from the City and my dad used to take me to the games as well from the age of 5 onwards and got the bug through him.

The reason I do want a phoenix is not necessarily so I could go watch them, I don't think that is likely to happen on a regular basis anyway, but because a) I don't see a future for CCFC and would want to offer my support (from afar) to a team that is free from the restrictive ownership of SISU. Contrary to you, the City means a lot to me and so any continuation of a football club representing the City would be ok in my book, and b) Would love to show SISU that they are no longer "the only show in town".

 

[Otis]

Was born in Warwickshire not Coventry. My Dad was born in Cov and has been going since 1952. He took me on my seventh birthday and at 48 I'm still going. Similarly I take my son who first attended a game at three. He also isn't born in Coventry. Things aren't as cut and dried and as black as white as a lot on here try to make out.

I support CCFC, not CCAFC or AFCCC or any other variation. If the team who I have supported for 41 years doesn't exist then I won't support anyone. Which is why I gave the example of picking a name out of a hat.

One other thing, I dislike international football so have never been interested in England.

That's fair enough, Torch.

My stance is that I was born and bred in Coventry and still live in Coventry and support all things Coventry, be it the rugby or the ice hockey or the football team, or the American Football team, a Coventry band or a Coventry actor, or athlete, whatever.

This is why I would support a new club.

It's my home, my city and I love it.

 

[TurkeyTrot]

Turkey, can you remind me of the date of the JR?
What you say about them winning and implications of that is a serious concern. Maybe someone with a legal background could wade in here?
But then again, we have it in print - from Mr Fisher himself. They left the Ricoh (and owing rent). They moved on and wouldn't be returning.
Present a judge with that & they don't have a leg to stand on.

The JR could go on for a very long time, especially if appeals are lodged on the outcome. Mr Fisher made a statement that was relevant at that time but things moved on and more evidence came to light your honour.

 

[TurkeyTrot]

That's fair enough, Torch.

...a Coventry band...

It's my home, my city and I love it.

Otis, have you downloaded sent from Coventry too

Lots of Coventry bands on it!

Yes I know, shameless plug

 

[stupot07]

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