Impact on Local Businesses of CCFC Move to Birmingham (1 Viewer)

mark82 · Mar 4, 2020

I've seen something on Twitter that suggests one business local to the Ricoh Arena (Bull & Anchor) has lost revenue to the tune of £25k per match day while we've been away. That's staggering. I'm going to reach out to them to verify as part of what myself & Pete are doing, but got me wondering how many other businesses are feeling that kind of strain.

I'm not local anymore, and don't often drink/use businesses near the Ricoh personally when I attend games, so was looking for suggestions of others I could reach out to, to see if they'll provide some sort of impact on their business and then use it to apply pressure in discussions with all parties involved. Let me know of any local businesses you tend to use near the Ricoh on game days, whether it's for drinking, car parking or anything else.

I'll keep a running list:

Bull & Anchor
Dhillons Brewery
Casino / Hotel
Frankie and Bennies
Burger King
Pizza Hut
Chiquitos
The Hub Pub
Cov Welsh Rugby Club
Gas Club
The Cherry Tree
New Horseshoe
Byatt's Brewery
The Parkgate

SkyBlueDom26 · Mar 4, 2020

Gas club

clint van damme · Mar 4, 2020

mark82 said:
I've seen something on Twitter that suggests one business local to the Ricoh Arena (Bull & Anchor) has lost revenue to the tune of £25k per match day while we've been away. That's staggering. I'm going to reach out to them to verify as part of what myself & Pete are doing, but got me wondering how many other businesses are feeling that kind of strain.

I'm not local anymore, and don't often drink/use businesses near the Ricoh personally when I attend games, so was looking for suggestions of others I could reach out to, to see if they'll provide some sort of impact on their business and then use it to apply pressure in discussions with all parties involved. Let me know of any local businesses you tend to use near the Ricoh on game days, whether it's for drinking, car parking or anything else.

I'll keep a running list:

Bull & Anchor
Byatts Brewery

there was an article in the local press and they definitely said what there losses were though I can't remember the figure. It may have been in the CET.

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

I agree it would be good to reach out.

I am not too sure about £25k a matchday for the bull and anchor though, it seems a bit excessive. As a guestimate there would have been about 100 fans in there, 2 pints at £4 each is still only £800. They wouldn't sell enough food. I'd say it is more like £2.5k a game.

I think the bloke from the bull and anchor confirmed this too in an article.

The other thing is that the Bull and Anchor could have made much more if they had made an effort for the football.

Jcap · Mar 4, 2020

Why don’t you ask someone at one of the Universities to do some research? Warwick has a business school no? Surely this would be of interest to someone in that field? Anyone on here with any contacts? Could even use anything useful coming out of it to put in front of the various parties especially the council, to help motivate them to get back round the table?

shmmeee · Mar 4, 2020

The Arena Shopping Park is the main one, especially the food outlets I’d imagine.

chiefdave · Mar 4, 2020

Casino is an obvious one, although as ACL are their landlords they might not want to go on the record. There's all the places nearby that do unofficial parking. Must be loads, not sure of specific names but if you factor in pubs, take aways, hotels for away fans, taxis then it has to have a significant impact.

shmmeee · Mar 4, 2020

The Hub near the rail crossing always seemed to have parking/be full IIRC.

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

What about the chip shops? Theres one round the back in Longford which used to get busy.

Casino
Hotel
Wheatsheaf
Frankie and Bennies / Burger King / Pizza Hut / Chiquitos
The Hub Pub
Cov Welsh Rugby Club
Local Car Parks that charged a fiver
Taxis and Transport coming to the Ricoh
Dhillons Brewery (They have been the only one to really think outside the box with putting on coaches etc, fair play to them)

Briles · Mar 4, 2020

I used to Drink and park at the Hub. Was always packed Match days

mark82 · Mar 4, 2020

Nick said:
I agree it would be good to reach out.

I am not too sure about £25k a matchday for the bull and anchor though, it seems a bit excessive. As a guestimate there would have been about 100 fans in there, 2 pints at £4 each is still only £800. They wouldn't sell enough food. I'd say it is more like £2.5k a game.

I think the bloke from the bull and anchor confirmed this too in an article.

The other thing is that the Bull and Anchor could have made much more if they had made an effort for the football.

£2.5k sounds more reasonable. Still not great though.

Anyone got a link to Telegraph article?

wince · Mar 4, 2020

City center pub , before match 2 beers x five persons (10 pints plus 4 meals)2x taxis£15 each way approx. , 6/7 beers x five persons( 30/40) pints,after match before going separate ways ,so more to that plus then another taxi home

wingy · Mar 4, 2020

chiefdave said:
Casino is an obvious one, although as ACL are their landlords they might not want to go on the record. There's all the places nearby that do unofficial parking. Must be loads, not sure of specific names but if you factor in pubs, take aways, hotels for away fans, taxis then it has to have a significant impact.

Maybe Italia could inform.

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

The Cov Welsh car park for example was a fiver each. Obviously it's just guessing but there was usually a minimum of 150 carts in there.

Then you have people going in and buying drinks etc and when you add it up it would easily be a grand a match which isn't small change to somewhere like that.

jordan210 · Mar 4, 2020

Wasn't there a few local schools that did official car parking. So they would have lost out.

Saddlebrains · Mar 4, 2020

The cherrytree

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

jordan210 said:
Wasn't there a few local schools that did official car parking. So they would have lost out.

I think Wheelwright Lane did for a bit.

Otis · Mar 4, 2020

wingy said:
Maybe Italia could inform.

Italia is on shutdown because of the Coronavirus outbreak.

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

There's away fans as well, if there was a big following there is the places they would park and eat. Getting the train so you have the places by the train station on their way in.

Where did they drink?

skyblueinBaku · Mar 4, 2020

I park at the New Horseshoe on Foleshill Road (£5).

Terry Gibson's perm · Mar 4, 2020

The Parkgate?

lord_garrincha · Mar 4, 2020

So shrugging your shoulders and saying 'This is Sisu's problem' not helping them then?

gary_ccfcforever · Mar 4, 2020

Dhillons are massively down. We barely break even on the coach at £5 per person, The brewery bar opens at 11am and we leave at 1pm for a 3pm kickoff and most people will not arrive until 12pm so we only have an hours drinking time from people using the service. Night games and Sunday games are even worse with next to no takings behind the bar and barely covering the coach.

Factor in also loss of away fans, at times last season we would easily have 300 in on a match day now,even with improved performance we are looking at a max of 120 in for 1 hour, some of whom will not buy a drink. You would have to speak to Dal Dhillon to find out exactly how much they have lost but it's significant.

scubasteve · Mar 4, 2020

Byatts brewery on lythalls lane was doing a good bit of business before we left, place was busy pre match, sure its hit them aswell.

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

gary_ccfcforever said:
Dhillons are massively down. We barely break even on the coach at £5 per person, The brewery bar opens at 11am and we leave at 1pm for a 3pm kickoff and most people will not arrive until 12pm so we only have an hours drinking time from people using the service. Night games and Sunday games are even worse with next to no takings behind the bar and barely covering the coach.

Factor in also loss of away fans, at times last season we would easily have 300 in on a match day now,even with improved performance we are looking at a max of 120 in for 1 hour, some of whom will not buy a drink. You would have to speak to Dal Dhillon to find out exactly how much they have lost but it's significant.

I think if places like that start to speak out on the damage CCFC not being there does to business then people might listen? Fair play to them, they are thinking outside the box and running coaches etc.

mark82 · Mar 4, 2020

gary_ccfcforever said:
Dhillons are massively down. We barely break even on the coach at £5 per person, The brewery bar opens at 11am and we leave at 1pm for a 3pm kickoff and most people will not arrive until 12pm so we only have an hours drinking time from people using the service. Night games and Sunday games are even worse with next to no takings behind the bar and barely covering the coach.

Factor in also loss of away fans, at times last season we would easily have 300 in on a match day now,even with improved performance we are looking at a max of 120 in for 1 hour, some of whom will not buy a drink. You would have to speak to Dal Dhillon to find out exactly how much they have lost but it's significant.

Thanks Gary. Do you have an email for Dal that you could send to me on a private message?

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

Have asked Andy Holt the Accrington owner as well, he is usually passionate about local community etc. (Obviously about them, not us)

Frostie · Mar 4, 2020

skyblueindorset said:
I park at the New Horseshoe on Foleshill Road (£5).

Still? That's quite a walk to St Andrews.

pastythegreat · Mar 4, 2020

mark82 said:
I've seen something on Twitter that suggests one business local to the Ricoh Arena (Bull & Anchor) has lost revenue to the tune of £25k per match day while we've been away. That's staggering. I'm going to reach out to them to verify as part of what myself & Pete are doing, but got me wondering how many other businesses are feeling that kind of strain.

I'm not local anymore, and don't often drink/use businesses near the Ricoh personally when I attend games, so was looking for suggestions of others I could reach out to, to see if they'll provide some sort of impact on their business and then use it to apply pressure in discussions with all parties involved. Let me know of any local businesses you tend to use near the Ricoh on game days, whether it's for drinking, car parking or anything else.

I'll keep a running list:

Bull & Anchor
Dhillons Brewery
Casino / Hotel
Frankie and Bennies
Burger King
Pizza Hut
Chiquitos
The Hub Pub
Cov Welsh Rugby Club
Gas Club
The Cherry Tree
New Horseshoe
Byatt's Brewery
The Parkgate

Hello Mark, it was me who posted it. Sorry, typo. It was meant to say £2.5k not £25k. My bad.
It's still way too much for any local business to be losing because of a corrupt council and a London Franchise. If you add up the £2.5k from each local business that you have listed, and times it by the ammount of games per season, it's still over £1m the local community is losing out on over a whole season.

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clint van damme · Mar 4, 2020

Found article. It was syndicated on a sports website but I think it was the one originally in the Guardian the day of the first FA cup game against blues

Quote was at least £2,000 on a matchday

Edit - this is regarding bull and anchor

pastythegreat · Mar 4, 2020

pastythegreat said:
Hello Mark, it was me who posted it. Sorry, typo. It was meant to say £2.5k not £25k. My bad.
It's still way too much for any local business to be losing because of a corrupt council and a London Franchise. If you add up the £2.5k from each local business that you have listed, and times it by the ammount of games per season, it's still over £1m the local community is losing out on over a whole season.

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Just for some idea, Sheffield council estimated that them getting promoted to the premier league was worth approx an extra £4m for the local community.
That's extra, not worth £4m, an EXTRA £4m from whatever it would of been in the Championship. Through extra tourism, more away fans, more TV coverage (how tv coverage helps the local community I dont know but hey ho).

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lord_garrincha · Mar 4, 2020

mark82 said:
Thanks Gary. Do you have an email for Dal that you could send to me on a private message?

A video crew followed Gary to St Andrews for the Birmingham cup match... Mark behind the bar mentioned the losses from this... it's on youtube I think.

Wyken Sky Blue · Mar 4, 2020

You could argue businesses near Highfield Road lost out due to the move to the Ricoh and the mentioend pubs gained from 2005 onwards. Were they considered when we moved to the Ricoh in the first place?

Nick · Mar 4, 2020

mark82 · Mar 4, 2020

pastythegreat said:
Hello Mark, it was me who posted it. Sorry, typo. It was meant to say £2.5k not £25k. My bad.
It's still way too much for any local business to be losing because of a corrupt council and a London Franchise. If you add up the £2.5k from each local business that you have listed, and times it by the ammount of games per season, it's still over £1m the local community is losing out on over a whole season.

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's significantly more than that across the community.

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